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My thoughts on the straight-up games [1, 2, 4]
Bisu played with the same game plan every set. Make as many nexii as possible while harassing with reaver or DT. Regardless of whether the opening was 14nex, 2gate rangegoon - it was the same overall idea.
Mind's reaction was the same, every set. Safely expand, defend against the harass, and slaughter Bisu with timing push. Bisu kept trying to deny Mind with his usual anti-Terran strategy - a strong pre-Templar tech push break, after which his massive econ would kick in and overwhelm Mind.
However, Mind's push construction was such that Bisu could not and did not stop it. I didn't feel that Bisu made any control errors in his push breaks - they were wonderfully done, and I was amazed at how many tanks he killed. Sometimes he was a bit careless with zlots, but few Protoss could have done better than that.
Still, Mind played ideally each straight up set. His loss was against cheese [much like vs sAviOr].
So now, Mind, protege of the first Bonjwa, has killed the second and third Bonjwa as well as the acclaimed rising fourth on the way to his first MSL. Interesting.
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those games looked like as if they were played 2 years ago
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Fuck this. The problem was Mind played almost no games so Bisu had nothing to practice against. FFuuuucccckk!!
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On November 18 2007 03:34 Last Romantic wrote: My thoughts on the straight-up games [1, 2, 4]
Bisu played with the same game plan every set. Make as many nexii as possible while harassing with reaver or DT. Regardless of whether the opening was 14nex, 2gate rangegoon - it was the same overall idea.
Mind's reaction was the same, every set. Safely expand, defend against the harass, and slaughter Bisu with timing push. Bisu kept trying to deny Mind with his usual anti-Terran strategy - a strong pre-Templar tech push break, after which his massive econ would kick in and overwhelm Mind.
However, Mind's push construction was such that Bisu could not and did not stop it. I didn't feel that Bisu made any control errors in his push breaks - they were wonderfully done, and I was amazed at how many tanks he killed. Sometimes he was a bit careless with zlots, but few Protoss could have done better than that.
Still, Mind played ideally each straight up set. His loss was against cheese [much like vs sAviOr].
So now, Mind, protege of the first Bonjwa, has killed the second and third Bonjwa as well as the acclaimed rising fourth on the way to his first MSL. Interesting.
The first Bonjwa was BoxeR, no?
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waah
this day sucks
random fairly unknown player beat bisu
just like random fairly unknown player bisu beat savior
and random fairly unknown player ipxzerg beat oov
waah
crycrycry
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On November 18 2007 03:47 himurakenshin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2007 03:34 Last Romantic wrote: My thoughts on the straight-up games [1, 2, 4]
Bisu played with the same game plan every set. Make as many nexii as possible while harassing with reaver or DT. Regardless of whether the opening was 14nex, 2gate rangegoon - it was the same overall idea.
Mind's reaction was the same, every set. Safely expand, defend against the harass, and slaughter Bisu with timing push. Bisu kept trying to deny Mind with his usual anti-Terran strategy - a strong pre-Templar tech push break, after which his massive econ would kick in and overwhelm Mind.
However, Mind's push construction was such that Bisu could not and did not stop it. I didn't feel that Bisu made any control errors in his push breaks - they were wonderfully done, and I was amazed at how many tanks he killed. Sometimes he was a bit careless with zlots, but few Protoss could have done better than that.
Still, Mind played ideally each straight up set. His loss was against cheese [much like vs sAviOr].
So now, Mind, protege of the first Bonjwa, has killed the second and third Bonjwa as well as the acclaimed rising fourth on the way to his first MSL. Interesting. The first Bonjwa was BoxeR, no?
BoxeR doesn't have 3 MSLs :O
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It just goes to show that its amazing what the pressure of expectation can do to someone. Not to take anything away from Mind's achievement but bisu was not playing up to his recent form and really didn't seem composed after the first game. It also goes to show how luck can make a big difference too. In the first game on Zodiac when at one point bisu attacked Mind's push he failed by a milisecond to get one of the mines to take detonate next to 3 of Mind's tanks that were already low hp. If that had happened then I think bisu would have had just enough to push Mind back from the expansion and save it. If he hadn't have lost that expansion then I think he would have had a reasonable chance to take the game. Anyway its pretty disappointing but then it has been 7 seasons since a terran won an MSL. I just hope that they don't also get the OSL this season as well. That would be depressing.
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On November 18 2007 03:41 KissBlade wrote: Fuck this. The problem was Mind played almost no games so Bisu had nothing to practice against. FFuuuucccckk!!
ROFL
Yeah, POOR BISU, HE HAD NOTHING TO PRACTICE AGAINST. (((
rofl, I like Bisu too, but how can you say that?
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I've just finsihed watching and what surprised me is that Bisu didn't make a single HT in 4 games... It could have been smart maybe. But Overall, he played quite well but lost to a good strategy from Mind, a bit like Stork lost to Iris last OSL. It was some safe and solid terran play and it showed that Bisu's pvt is probably not as good as his other mus. He made a few mistakes too and that was enough today. I think he should have stayed longer in game 1, it wasn't over yet, he was too impatient, as in the rest of the serie imo.
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Bisu is either going to be so motivationally crushed that he just falls apart, or its going to be the biggest motivational push ever and win the OSL.
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Yes, I went up 70 spots on liquidbet lol!
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On November 18 2007 04:07 IntoTheWow wrote: Yes, I went up 70 spots on liquidbet lol! Im with you buddy
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Mind won fair and square. But apart for terran lovers and bisu haters I don't understand how you can be happy about these games. Is timing push that appealing? For me the answer is obvious : no.
EDIT: Ok and liquibet winners too -_- :p
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On November 18 2007 03:48 Last Romantic wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2007 03:47 himurakenshin wrote:On November 18 2007 03:34 Last Romantic wrote: My thoughts on the straight-up games [1, 2, 4]
Bisu played with the same game plan every set. Make as many nexii as possible while harassing with reaver or DT. Regardless of whether the opening was 14nex, 2gate rangegoon - it was the same overall idea.
Mind's reaction was the same, every set. Safely expand, defend against the harass, and slaughter Bisu with timing push. Bisu kept trying to deny Mind with his usual anti-Terran strategy - a strong pre-Templar tech push break, after which his massive econ would kick in and overwhelm Mind.
However, Mind's push construction was such that Bisu could not and did not stop it. I didn't feel that Bisu made any control errors in his push breaks - they were wonderfully done, and I was amazed at how many tanks he killed. Sometimes he was a bit careless with zlots, but few Protoss could have done better than that.
Still, Mind played ideally each straight up set. His loss was against cheese [much like vs sAviOr].
So now, Mind, protege of the first Bonjwa, has killed the second and third Bonjwa as well as the acclaimed rising fourth on the way to his first MSL. Interesting. The first Bonjwa was BoxeR, no? BoxeR doesn't have 3 MSLs :O Why does he need 3 MSLs though? Bonjwa just means a dominant player and has nothing to do with winning MSLs, atleast to my knowledge.
Grr.. could be considered the first Bonjwa in my opinion, he was an unstoppable force back then.
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Here are some pics my friend Harry Kim from Mydaily.com sent me from the event.
edit: sorry i need to be able to make it so that you cant steal pictures - he asked me to take them down. i'll put them up somewhere else.
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damn i was so ready to steal those pictures too
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On November 17 2007 19:33 saranghaeCY- wrote: I hate the fact that Mind barely has any emotion at all, he\'s just like yeah I won... so what
It's difficult to display your emotion "right" the first time you win. While being overjoyed and shocked, you don't want to overshoot your excitement so that fans hate you (e.g. FBH). I think Mind gave out a humble reaction, which is why I don't mind him winning.
If he wins MSL again, you'll definitely see some kissing or biting of the trophy.
I was very impressed by Mind's play last night. I think someone said this before, he had extremely good execution. Everyone knows bisu's PvT strategy (expo, harass, expo again, overwhelm), but no one was able to exploit it to the degree Mind did. Winning three straight up games is not a fluke.
Bisu did not play badly at all (except, IMO <-- THIS IS FUCKING IN BOLD, he should have played straight up on Python, since 2 fact is almost auto gg for FE, of course, position didn't help), he did what he always did, and did what he does best. Mind just had some sick timing every game, which I believe is from analyzing Bisu's games to death for days.
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I have never seen a decent reaver drop by Bisu :X
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Doesn't it seem like, despite Mind's excellent timing he couldn't have done it without that ridiculous mine luck? I saw like 12 zealots get decimated a tiny distance from the tanks they would have undoubtedly killed. The only thing that impressed me was that Mind expo'd in a very off beat way while pushing forward, Bisu didn't even have a chance to get a nexus up and lost one too. His push back across the map was awesome though, if only that reaver had done anything other than be a money sink. It just wasted scarab after scarab.
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Why is 6/2 position on Python difficult for Protoss in PvT?
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