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Poland4168 Posts
April 08 2024 08:19 GMT
#2
Great games and five of them, let's hope

FIGHTING!
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Zariel
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia1285 Posts
April 08 2024 08:41 GMT
#3
Im just like every sucker out there and put my LB on Bisu
sup
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
April 08 2024 09:50 GMT
#4
I ordered lunch to eat while watching this but it arrived 20 minutes early so please start already.
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands759 Posts
April 08 2024 10:02 GMT
#5
Snow will sadly win :'(
JDON MY SOUL!
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
April 08 2024 10:13 GMT
#6
On April 08 2024 19:02 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Snow will sadly win :'(

Ye of little faith.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3415 Posts
April 08 2024 10:25 GMT
#7
Bisu got OBLITERATED
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
April 08 2024 10:26 GMT
#8
That certainly went on for a bit longer than necessary.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4897 Posts
April 08 2024 10:27 GMT
#9
Poll: Recommend SnOw vs Bisu Game 1?

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8%

If you have time (1)
 
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Your vote: Recommend SnOw vs Bisu Game 1?

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FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4897 Posts
April 08 2024 10:30 GMT
#10
In the replay we could clearly see SnOw tried to get his 1st goon to pop outside the jail Bisu had set up. Despite that attempt failing he kept his cool and just trapped another zealot. Amazing micro. Bisu wasn't ready for that micro.
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4897 Posts
April 08 2024 10:31 GMT
#11
Later he did place his probes properly to make his goon pop outside the jail.
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4897 Posts
April 08 2024 10:38 GMT
#12
Poll: Recommend SnOw vs Bisu Game 2?

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KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
April 08 2024 10:39 GMT
#13
I just want Bisu to win a single set.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4168 Posts
April 08 2024 10:43 GMT
#14
On April 08 2024 19:39 KristofferAG wrote:
I just want Bisu to win a single set.

Indeed..
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria3735 Posts
April 08 2024 10:47 GMT
#15
If my math is correct, Snow is proving his haters wrong.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES49995 Posts
April 08 2024 10:47 GMT
#16
On April 08 2024 19:39 KristofferAG wrote:
I just want Bisu to win a single set.


yeah I mean right now afreeca are looking at this and like, we gotta run all the ads now to make our money.

hey v1 in the audience.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4168 Posts
April 08 2024 11:03 GMT
#17
absolutely terrible decision making..
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
Terrorbladder
Profile Joined May 2014
2717 Posts
April 08 2024 11:04 GMT
#18
Yongtaek strikes again
My dream is to fertilize two females at a time.
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
April 08 2024 11:04 GMT
#19
Bisu tryna push a square peg in a round hole with that attack on the third.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES49995 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-08 11:06:18
April 08 2024 11:06 GMT
#20
never get in a land war in Asia.
never fight a Sicilian with death on the line.
never get in a fight against snow when reavers are in play.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4168 Posts
April 08 2024 11:06 GMT
#21
that was so fking hard to watch.. ugh..

yuck
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7796 Posts
April 08 2024 11:06 GMT
#22
outplayed

0/3 LB
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4897 Posts
April 08 2024 11:07 GMT
#23
Poll: Recommend SnOw vs Bisu Game 3?

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4%

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Your vote: Recommend SnOw vs Bisu Game 3?

(Vote): Yes
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(Vote): If you have time


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55%

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36%

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9%

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(Vote): Yes
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(Vote): If you have time


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(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

FBH #1!
Terrorbladder
Profile Joined May 2014
2717 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-08 11:08:07
April 08 2024 11:07 GMT
#24
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My dream is to fertilize two females at a time.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4168 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-08 11:09:43
April 08 2024 11:08 GMT
#25
This series definitely deserves the "Adults only" rating.
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria3735 Posts
April 08 2024 11:08 GMT
#26
Reaverman does it again.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4897 Posts
April 08 2024 11:08 GMT
#27
Best thing today: I got to see v1 in the crowd.
Poor dude went to see the most 1-sided match this ASL :D
FBH #1!
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1158 Posts
April 08 2024 11:09 GMT
#28
Mini and Snow are on a whole different level compared to Bisu, Best and others...
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
April 08 2024 11:10 GMT
#29
That was sad to watch
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey719 Posts
April 08 2024 11:10 GMT
#30
I wish more competitive series but props to SnOw.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES49995 Posts
April 08 2024 11:15 GMT
#31
On April 08 2024 20:08 Peeano wrote:
Best thing today: I got to see v1 in the crowd.
Poor dude went to see the most 1-sided match this ASL :D


well you know him, he's happy that protoss won, he's sad that protoss lost.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2559 Posts
April 08 2024 11:30 GMT
#32
This is no surprise to anyone who follows Proleague. Only Mini and Snow are equal in PvP. The rest can take the odd games off them sometimes because it's PvP, but generally just get outplayed in every aspect and would have no chance in a Bo5 series.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7796 Posts
April 08 2024 11:36 GMT
#33
On April 08 2024 20:30 TMNT wrote:
This is no surprise to anyone who follows Proleague. Only Mini and Snow are equal in PvP. The rest can take the odd games off them sometimes because it's PvP, but generally just get outplayed in every aspect and would have no chance in a Bo5 series.

TMNT , I wonder if you know... if Rain would be serious and train, he would still be favorite in a match vs Snow and Mini ?
His PvP was insane if you remember...
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4110 Posts
April 08 2024 11:50 GMT
#34
On April 08 2024 20:36 prosatan wrote:
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On April 08 2024 20:30 TMNT wrote:
This is no surprise to anyone who follows Proleague. Only Mini and Snow are equal in PvP. The rest can take the odd games off them sometimes because it's PvP, but generally just get outplayed in every aspect and would have no chance in a Bo5 series.

TMNT , I wonder if you know... if Rain would be serious and train, he would still be favorite in a match vs Snow and Mini ?
His PvP was insane if you remember...

Whats the point of this comment? If Bisu was in his Kespa shape, he would've probably won half of the ASLs. And?
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2559 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-08 12:55:51
April 08 2024 12:55 GMT
#35
On April 08 2024 20:36 prosatan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2024 20:30 TMNT wrote:
This is no surprise to anyone who follows Proleague. Only Mini and Snow are equal in PvP. The rest can take the odd games off them sometimes because it's PvP, but generally just get outplayed in every aspect and would have no chance in a Bo5 series.

TMNT , I wonder if you know... if Rain would be serious and train, he would still be favorite in a match vs Snow and Mini ?
His PvP was insane if you remember...

While it's true that Rain was playing too much LOL just before this ASL, the thing about him not being serious and not training was blown out of proportion a bit, almost giving him a pre excuse for losing at ASL.

Rain was quite active in 2023, playing in a lot of Proleagues (mostly K League) but he didn't really show amazing PvP games like he did before (about 60% win rate vs Stork and Shuttle in 2023 - even Bisu can do better than that). And his peak was in 2018-2019 which is really a long time ago. A lot of things have changed since. So I don't know about 2019 Rain vs 2024 Snow, but 2023 Rain was Rain in pretty good shape, and he was still not as good as Snow and Mini.
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3349 Posts
April 08 2024 13:17 GMT
#36
G1 feels like a throw by Bisu moreso than a win for snow (despite the cute micro to get around the dragoon prison), why not go kill all the probes as bisu? If someone has an explanation I d be happy to hear it. Feels like a bo win that Bisu blew hard

G3 also questionable moves
Horang2 fan
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2559 Posts
April 08 2024 13:48 GMT
#37
On April 08 2024 22:17 WGT-Baal wrote:
G1 feels like a throw by Bisu moreso than a win for snow (despite the cute micro to get around the dragoon prison), why not go kill all the probes as bisu? If someone has an explanation I d be happy to hear it. Feels like a bo win that Bisu blew hard

Double proxy gate is not a BO win at their level. There's still a lot to do, although the defending player surely has a harder time. When the 1st goon was trapped, Snow pulled so many probes to fight that he had less probes mining, so Bisu was indeed trying to kill probes, it just didn't happen in the mineral line. Snow just micro'd better there.

RJBTV
Profile Joined December 2022
194 Posts
April 08 2024 14:14 GMT
#38
SnOw ASL champ odds are highest out of any player right now.
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1400 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-08 14:18:36
April 08 2024 14:17 GMT
#39
G3 really exemplified the term "mirror matchup" for the buildup-phase, but then one guy just edged ahead move after move with patience and calculation while the other seemed to desperately go for all the obvious moves that backfire moments later.
Also there was a clear difference in shuttle-reaver-control, the winner looking much fresher with so many last split-second scarabs into perfectly timed pick-ups.

Finally I have the chance to tune in live, I do even though it's PvP, given the big matchup, and then it's already almost over
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19215 Posts
April 08 2024 15:17 GMT
#40
I need a new Bisu bucket to hold my vomit from that one.
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BoesFX
Profile Joined April 2013
1451 Posts
April 08 2024 15:48 GMT
#41
On April 08 2024 20:30 TMNT wrote:
This is no surprise to anyone who follows Proleague. Only Mini and Snow are equal in PvP. The rest can take the odd games off them sometimes because it's PvP, but generally just get outplayed in every aspect and would have no chance in a Bo5 series.


Yeah, this series just shows that Snow is just the worst possible matchup for Bisu in this Ro8.
2_2
Profile Joined June 2022
Poland30 Posts
April 08 2024 17:16 GMT
#42
That was a massacre. Even when it looked close or advantage to Bisu for a while, in every engagement Snow was just positioning and controlling better, every single time, gotta be demoralizing.
Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States341 Posts
April 08 2024 17:29 GMT
#43
G1 was fun for a while, but the rest of the night was just tragic. The reaver diff was insane.
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria3735 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-08 17:29:50
April 08 2024 17:29 GMT
#44
The skill difference between Snow and Bisu is too apparent. He stole a point that should've been a build order win for Bisu, and in game three he let Bisu hang himself.
It's incredible how far Snow has come. After years of disappointment, this could be his ASL.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
moktira *
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Ireland1543 Posts
April 08 2024 18:56 GMT
#45
What a disappointing series...
If in doubt, differentiate and set equal to zero
angry_maia
Profile Joined August 2020
301 Posts
April 08 2024 20:43 GMT
#46
unfortunately almost all of the remaining possible opponents for snow are tough af. Hero Soulkey and Mini could all very well beat him. I'd say his chances are ~45/55 against the Zs, 55/45 against mini, and 80/20 against Sharp.
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
2827 Posts
April 08 2024 21:24 GMT
#47
I definitely had too high of expectations for an epic back and forth 5 game series but this was something else lol.

When ya got slow zealots chasing after dragoons with virtually no hope of getting hits off, it's a sad moment. After the smoke cleared, Bisu looked embarrassed and shattered.

Here's to hoping some of the earlier ro8 matches died so that we could get the best Mini vs Soulkey match ever.
aka wilted_kale
XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2230 Posts
April 09 2024 05:33 GMT
#48
i love bisu o death but, snow is god mode lately, deserves his title.
StarCraft & Audax Italiano
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7763 Posts
April 09 2024 05:45 GMT
#49
Man that was painful... sorry Bisu
JoinTheRain
Profile Blog Joined September 2018
Bulgaria408 Posts
April 09 2024 11:49 GMT
#50
Hey, bisu, what's harder - crypto scamming people or winning a game against snow?
I'm not sure, I suck at both...
The subject-matter of the art of living is each person's own life.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia12999 Posts
April 10 2024 10:18 GMT
#51
What has the recent record in games between snow and Bisu been? It was interesting that Bisu was playing pretty risky strats you’d try against someone who you think is better as you don’t think you can beat them straight up.
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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2559 Posts
April 10 2024 13:21 GMT
#52
On April 10 2024 19:18 RowdierBob wrote:
What has the recent record in games between snow and Bisu been? It was interesting that Bisu was playing pretty risky strats you’d try against someone who you think is better as you don’t think you can beat them straight up.

It's 16-12 to Snow in the past 15 months before they met this ASL. So not a significant lead. However every time I saw they play each other in Proleague, Snow just looked better in every way. A level above, like what you saw in game 1 and 3. Bisu wins mostly came from random BO advantage. And he knew that. More than once he said on his stream that he can't keep up with the younger Protosses (Snow and Mini). Bisu's build choices came as no surprise to most fans.
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