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kaspa84
Profile Joined July 2016
Brazil169 Posts
March 26 2024 15:01 GMT
#61
On March 26 2024 23:20 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
It is going to be Best vs SnOw finals!


I logged to say I hope for that. My favorite player is Mini, but he already has a trophy. The other two only have a silver or two each. (Best's back in 2.008!)
Soft_General_5023
Profile Joined December 2023
73 Posts
March 26 2024 15:35 GMT
#62
snow has a rough bracket, but if he makes it into finals he should win
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2729 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-03-26 15:37:41
March 26 2024 15:36 GMT
#63
On March 26 2024 23:36 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2024 23:21 TMNT wrote:
That's really unbalanced brackets. Like if you put the 4 players on the left side vs the 4 on the right side in a Proleague, you can see it end up 0-4 0-4.

Dream scenario for Soulkey though. ZvP all the way to the finals. Honestly I can only see the two Terrans stopping him.


You're massively underselling Rush and Sharp's current online performance there.
Rush is 2nd on Eloboard and Sharp is 4th. Rush specifically has been doing very well.
We Legitimately have rank #1Snow, #2Rush, #3Bisu, #4Sharp, #5Hero, #6Soulkey, (#7queen), #8Mini and #9Best on Eloboard in the Top 8 in ASL. That's legitimately the MOST well rounded ASL round of 8.
For once we actually have the best 8 online performers in the top 8 offline tournament.

Elo points are the least reliable stats in the streaming era though. That's why I never mentioned it in any of my analyses. The reason is the "selective farming" of the more active players. It's like ladder but you get to choose who you play, so you get only 5 pts every time you beat someone much weaker than you, but you can repeatedly do it 10 times. For example if you check Rush, he gained at least 100 pts this month from farming the likes of Paralyze and Sacsri.

Even the proleague elo points are not reliable due to the inconsistent activities of proleague and k league. Stork as #3 in PL elo this month, with BTS #4 and Shinee #5, says it all for you.
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands886 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-03-26 18:10:39
March 26 2024 18:03 GMT
#64
On March 27 2024 00:36 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2024 23:36 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
On March 26 2024 23:21 TMNT wrote:
That's really unbalanced brackets. Like if you put the 4 players on the left side vs the 4 on the right side in a Proleague, you can see it end up 0-4 0-4.

Dream scenario for Soulkey though. ZvP all the way to the finals. Honestly I can only see the two Terrans stopping him.


You're massively underselling Rush and Sharp's current online performance there.
Rush is 2nd on Eloboard and Sharp is 4th. Rush specifically has been doing very well.
We Legitimately have rank #1Snow, #2Rush, #3Bisu, #4Sharp, #5Hero, #6Soulkey, (#7queen), #8Mini and #9Best on Eloboard in the Top 8 in ASL. That's legitimately the MOST well rounded ASL round of 8.
For once we actually have the best 8 online performers in the top 8 offline tournament.

Elo points are the least reliable stats in the streaming era though. That's why I never mentioned it in any of my analyses. The reason is the "selective farming" of the more active players. It's like ladder but you get to choose who you play, so you get only 5 pts every time you beat someone much weaker than you, but you can repeatedly do it 10 times. For example if you check Rush, he gained at least 100 pts this month from farming the likes of Paralyze and Sacsri.

Even the proleague elo points are not reliable due to the inconsistent activities of proleague and k league. Stork as #3 in PL elo this month, with BTS #4 and Shinee #5, says it all for you.


Look at Rush again. He got a lot of points off Hero, soulkey, and bisu. Sharp got a lot off Rush and stork. Every time he met Mini in march he won. he went about 50/50 vs hero and up on Action.
JDON MY SOUL!
Smorrie
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands2922 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-03-26 19:00:38
March 26 2024 18:57 GMT
#65
Pretty good bracket I think. While there are a couple favorites, all remaining players should be able to produce 3 good series.

I'd say Rush probably would cause the most problems for SK and Hero. In turn, Hero could cause problems for anyone in the bracket, but Rush is probably his worst opponent. I think SK is the favorite to win the right side bracket. Let's see if Snow is able to keep his run going.

Sharp has been looking good, I like the matchup vs Best.

I'd say Bisu has a tough time ahead of him, facing the 3 favorites of each race in his path to victory, but I think he would generally have to dig deep vs anyone in the bracket regardless. That said he did output really good results lately.

Rush vs SK final?
It has a strong technique, but it lacks oo.
cheesehuehue
Profile Joined March 2024
Vatican City State90 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-03-26 19:13:51
March 26 2024 19:13 GMT
#66
On March 27 2024 03:57 Smorrie wrote:
Pretty good bracket I think. While there are a couple favorites, all remaining players should be able to produce 3 good series.

I'd say Rush probably would cause the most problems for SK and Hero. In turn, Hero could cause problems for anyone in the bracket, but Rush is probably his worst opponent. I think SK is the favorite to win the right side bracket. Let's see if Snow is able to keep his run going.

Sharp has been looking good, I like the matchup vs Best.

I'd say Bisu has a tough time ahead of him, facing the 3 favorites of each race in his path to victory, but I think he would generally have to dig deep vs anyone in the bracket regardless. That said he did output really good results lately.

Rush vs SK final?


As a Zerg player and Soulkey fan, I want to see him win two ASLs in a row. However, I don't have high expectations of him defeating two (and maybe even 3 if Best makes it to the finals) top-level protoss in a row. Yes, he defeated Mini 4-1 last year, but those matches were very close. If Mini has rewatched the replays, he has probably noticed that he could have won the last match if he didn't hesitate so much on attacking SK's bases on the bottom left. And even if he defeats Mini again, he struggles a lot with Snow and Bisu. I'd say it's a coin flip against Snow, but I have the impression he has a losing odds against Bisu --just going off the top of my head without checking any statistics.

I hope I'm proved wrong.
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
2872 Posts
March 26 2024 19:20 GMT
#67
Really impressed with Sharp's play today. His goliath style vs Snow and then defending the all-in vs Mind.

Bad draw for Mini in ro8 but at least we get that match.
Best to the finals?

Snow vs Bisu PvP is also quite hype.
aka wilted_kale
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2729 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-03-26 20:05:31
March 26 2024 20:03 GMT
#68
Bisu is the Protoss most likely to take down Soulkey on that side of the bracket. The problem is he probably can't win a BO5 against Snow. He can take 1 game yes, but not 3 out of 5.

Snow is 50/50 against Soulkey online when the sample size is in the range of dozens. But in a BO7 series Soulkey will have more tools up his sleeve. A hydra bust or a 9 pool speed here and there to gain momentum for example. It's just impossible to dominate him in the strong matchup for Zerg.

The other side of the bracket is 50/50 in literally all games. There's just no favorite.
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
March 26 2024 20:27 GMT
#69
On March 27 2024 05:03 TMNT wrote:
Bisu is the Protoss most likely to take down Soulkey on that side of the bracket. The problem is he probably can't win a BO5 against Snow. He can take 1 game yes, but not 3 out of 5.

Snow is 50/50 against Soulkey online when the sample size is in the range of dozens. But in a BO7 series Soulkey will have more tools up his sleeve. A hydra bust or a 9 pool speed here and there to gain momentum for example. It's just impossible to dominate him in the strong matchup for Zerg.

The other side of the bracket is 50/50 in literally all games. There's just no favorite.


Isn't Best a clear favourite against Sharp?
The heart's eternal vow
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands886 Posts
March 26 2024 21:32 GMT
#70
On March 27 2024 05:27 PVJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2024 05:03 TMNT wrote:
Bisu is the Protoss most likely to take down Soulkey on that side of the bracket. The problem is he probably can't win a BO5 against Snow. He can take 1 game yes, but not 3 out of 5.

Snow is 50/50 against Soulkey online when the sample size is in the range of dozens. But in a BO7 series Soulkey will have more tools up his sleeve. A hydra bust or a 9 pool speed here and there to gain momentum for example. It's just impossible to dominate him in the strong matchup for Zerg.

The other side of the bracket is 50/50 in literally all games. There's just no favorite.


Isn't Best a clear favourite against Sharp?


I'd say about 50/50 currently.
JDON MY SOUL!
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1033 Posts
March 27 2024 06:20 GMT
#71
Nah... Sharp is a bulldozer in TvsP and is on fire lately, but so is Best.

His PvsZ is probably is strongest match up now, but his PvsT is no joke either. And he seems to be able to bring his Agame on stage now, quite scary if you ask me.

Also, Best being "on fire lately" is an under statement.
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1033 Posts
March 27 2024 06:24 GMT
#72
hero vs Rush is hype, but it happened too many times in the past ASLs so i dont know. I want hero to win, i expect Rush to advance, though.
Either guy will struggle against Best though, and he will be a massive (PvsP weakest mu, by far) underdog against anyone in finals, but i expect him to reach RO2.
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1033 Posts
March 27 2024 06:35 GMT
#73
If there is one guy who can perform under pressure, vs top tier players, its Bisu.
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands886 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-03-27 09:55:48
March 27 2024 09:54 GMT
#74
On March 27 2024 15:35 TornadoSteve wrote:
If there is one guy who can perform under pressure, vs top tier players, its Bisu.

If SnOw can perform at his best, nobody in Ro8 should be able to beat him in a Bo5/7 even if his opponents were to peak and bring their best performance ever.
JDON MY SOUL!
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8101 Posts
March 27 2024 17:34 GMT
#75
I do think protoss are at a definite disadvantage in a Bo7 vs zerg. There's just so many different weird cheeses that Z can do that it makes it very hard for P to prepare for 7 different sets. And Snow's biggest fault in tournaments is that he usually plays too predictably. I think soulkey is probably snow's biggest hurdle going forward.

Soulkey is most likely to make it to finals on his side of bracket, but I'm done making predictions in ASL lol.

On the other side it's really hard to call. I want to say Best is favored over sharp and that rush is favored over hero. Best would also be favored over Rush. But best historically chokes in Ro8 a lot no matter how good he's playing. My gut says rush to the finals.
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cheesehuehue
Profile Joined March 2024
Vatican City State90 Posts
March 27 2024 21:21 GMT
#76
I really hope to see a competitive Snow vs Soulkey match, with SK just barely coming on top 4-3 so that people cannot say Snow didn't bring his A-game. In ohter words, if SK, or anyone for that matter, rolls over Snow 4-0 people will claim Snow just didn't perform at his best.
Nirli
Profile Joined February 2023
Bulgaria370 Posts
March 28 2024 06:40 GMT
#77
When I hear Sharp, I think vulture. When I hear Best, I think zealot. Vulture > zealot.
Sharp was impressive this time around.
Galacsia
Profile Joined February 2020
Chile161 Posts
March 28 2024 08:40 GMT
#78
I jumped from my chair in joy when I saw Best vs Sharp. He got the best possible bracket he could get imo but no matter who makes it to the finals he'd have a hard time. My dream finals is Best vs Bisu, but if not I hope for Best vs Soulkey so he can get his revenge for season 3.
BeSt / Bisu ftw!!
iRkSupperman
Profile Joined October 2022
Norway132 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-03-28 09:15:33
March 28 2024 09:14 GMT
#79
Consider Best's own reaction to the ro8 draw:


Subtitles not really needed.


Assuming Rush keeps up his streak of blasting herO in ASL, Best only needs to focus on his PvT until the finals. He'd have absolutely 0 chance in a PvP final though.
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey731 Posts
March 28 2024 09:38 GMT
#80
On March 28 2024 15:40 Nirli wrote:
When I hear Sharp, I think vulture. When I hear Best, I think zealot. Vulture > zealot.
Sharp was impressive this time around.


BeSt is one of six Dragons not zealot.
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