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barcodejester
Profile Joined March 2022
51 Posts
September 26 2023 02:23 GMT
#2
lfg zvz is a knife fight
bw2ku
Profile Joined July 2023
24 Posts
September 26 2023 03:04 GMT
#3
2 of my 3 favorite players cant even pick which i want to win this.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8496 Posts
September 26 2023 05:38 GMT
#4
Root for effort but LB is on action
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey745 Posts
September 26 2023 06:41 GMT
#5
Go Effort!
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51503 Posts
September 26 2023 07:36 GMT
#6
hoping to see some hive tech games like last time
Commentator
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5192 Posts
September 26 2023 09:57 GMT
#7
I haven't been exciting about a ZvZ in a while. This should be good.
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5192 Posts
September 26 2023 10:29 GMT
#8
First game and we see a queen nest in the making for Action, both players have their natural.
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5192 Posts
September 26 2023 10:31 GMT
#9
Hive done for Action and a 3rd hatch in the main. Meanwhile EffOrt is taking another base with his 3rd hatch cuz he has map control with the higher muta count.
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5192 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-26 10:35:23
September 26 2023 10:32 GMT
#10
Effort is floating almost 1k gas and is getting his 4th hatch in main, still no hive tech for Effort.
Effort seems to opt for a 1-1 all out muta/scourge fight.

Action is not gonna patiently wait and attacked Effort's main with 4 devourers and a handful of muta's.

Game looks stable now with equal supplies, little action atm.
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5192 Posts
September 26 2023 10:36 GMT
#11
Effort's 3rd is really kicking in now. Effort supply is steadily growing, meanwhile Action morphed more devourers. Effort still on Lair tech
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5192 Posts
September 26 2023 10:37 GMT
#12
100 vs 80 supply now. Effort just got a queen, expect esnare soon
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5192 Posts
September 26 2023 10:38 GMT
#13
Esnare thrown on Action's flok and Effort overwhelms with numbers. GG~
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5192 Posts
September 26 2023 10:40 GMT
#14
Poll: Recommend EffOrt vs Action Game 1?

Yes (24)
 
96%

If you have time (1)
 
4%

No (0)
 
0%

25 total votes

Your vote: Recommend EffOrt vs Action Game 1?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5192 Posts
September 26 2023 10:46 GMT
#15
9pool gas by Action this time around. He wants to be the aggressor this game.
FBH #1!
whylessness
Profile Joined November 2010
United States376 Posts
September 26 2023 10:46 GMT
#16
effort up 1? pog?
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5192 Posts
September 26 2023 10:46 GMT
#17
12hatch pool gas by Effort. He will likely has to cancel his Hatch. Let's see.
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5192 Posts
September 26 2023 10:47 GMT
#18
On September 26 2023 19:46 whylessness wrote:
effort up 1? pog?

Yes
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5192 Posts
September 26 2023 10:48 GMT
#19
Action didn't hide his 6 lings and started attacking the 12hatch at 95% completion. Effort canceled last second and immediately started his Lair.
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5192 Posts
September 26 2023 10:49 GMT
#20
Spire started by effort. Action already started it a bit earlier. 2nd hatch buildilng in effort's main as well.
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5192 Posts
September 26 2023 10:52 GMT
#21
Effort's 2nd hatch finishes as Action's spire finishes. Typical ling arcs and fight at the 12 hatching player's ramp.
Effort forced his break up by having better micro and bigger numbers. He spots Action 2nd hatchery finishing on the natural.

Too much action to keep up my LR. As of now the supplies are equal, muta/scourge count is similar and Action's nat isn't mining yet.
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5192 Posts
September 26 2023 10:54 GMT
#22
Base trade is going on. Effort has some lings and dps in his advantage. What will Action do?
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5192 Posts
September 26 2023 10:54 GMT
#23
Muta/scourge fight ensued and Effort comes out on top.
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5192 Posts
September 26 2023 10:55 GMT
#24
Poll: Recommend EffOrt vs Action Game 2?

Yes (16)
 
94%

If you have time (1)
 
6%

No (0)
 
0%

17 total votes

Your vote: Recommend EffOrt vs Action Game 2?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

FBH #1!
whylessness
Profile Joined November 2010
United States376 Posts
September 26 2023 10:55 GMT
#25
effort's win pose is s-tier
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4132 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-26 10:58:17
September 26 2023 10:56 GMT
#26
The moment the games get into some kind of equilibrium and are no longer BO defined, Effort just looks like a better player
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
whylessness
Profile Joined November 2010
United States376 Posts
September 26 2023 10:57 GMT
#27
On September 26 2023 19:56 M2 wrote:
The moment the games get into some kind of equilibrium and are not longer BO defined, Effort just looks like a better player


that's weird because when they played in the ro24 action's muta/scourge micro looked superior
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5192 Posts
September 26 2023 10:58 GMT
#28
Interesting to see how Effort became the aggressor after he killed Action's overlord and supply blocked him.
12 hatch beat the 9 pool. Neo Dark Origin rush distance has a play in that? I dunno. It definitely helped that Effort bought as much time as possible and still canceled his hatch last second and wasted no time to tech to lair.
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5192 Posts
September 26 2023 11:00 GMT
#29
On September 26 2023 19:57 whylessness wrote:
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On September 26 2023 19:56 M2 wrote:
The moment the games get into some kind of equilibrium and are not longer BO defined, Effort just looks like a better player


that's weird because when they played in the ro24 action's muta/scourge micro looked superior

^this

Both these 2 games Effort was (or became) the aggressor and won. In their ro24 face off, Action was the aggressor.
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5192 Posts
September 26 2023 11:04 GMT
#30
I won't be sad if this turns into a 3-0 sweep, but at the same time I would rly like to see another Hive vs Hive game.
FBH #1!
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4227 Posts
September 26 2023 11:09 GMT
#31
kind of a stomp so far.. yuck..
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5192 Posts
September 26 2023 11:09 GMT
#32
Tall task ahead for Action. Can he bring this back with 3 wins in a row? Game 3 let's go~
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5192 Posts
September 26 2023 11:11 GMT
#33
Both players started with gas before pool. Similar pool timing. Interesting. This game should show who's in better form.
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5192 Posts
September 26 2023 11:14 GMT
#34
Builds are deviating, no ling fights yet. Spires done.
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5192 Posts
September 26 2023 11:15 GMT
#35
EffOrt sniped Action's overlord once again, supply blocking him.
FBH #1!
whylessness
Profile Joined November 2010
United States376 Posts
September 26 2023 11:17 GMT
#36
effort gives us the ro4 mini zvp rematch. the bracket looks perfect rn.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5192 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-26 11:19:58
September 26 2023 11:18 GMT
#37
Action forced an air fight with his earlier 2nd hatch, but Effort's higher muta count and on point micro came on top. Scourges had to connect 1 scourge per muta or other wise very favorable if he wanted to win that fight tbh. The ovie loss must have triggered Action to all in there and pray for the best.
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5192 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-26 11:19:06
September 26 2023 11:18 GMT
#38
Poll: Recommend EffOrt vs Action Game 3?

No (7)
 
54%

If you have time (5)
 
38%

Yes (1)
 
8%

13 total votes

Your vote: Recommend EffOrt vs Action Game 3?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


Poll: Recommend EffOrt vs Action Game 4?

If you have time (7)
 
78%

Yes (1)
 
11%

No (1)
 
11%

9 total votes

Your vote: Recommend EffOrt vs Action Game 4?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


Poll: Recommend EffOrt vs Action Game 5?

Yes (5)
 
45%

No (3)
 
27%

If you have time (3)
 
27%

11 total votes

Your vote: Recommend EffOrt vs Action Game 5?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

FBH #1!
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4132 Posts
September 26 2023 11:18 GMT
#39
The first two games were kind of all right -> entertaining
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5192 Posts
September 26 2023 11:26 GMT
#40
On September 26 2023 20:18 M2 wrote:
The first two games were kind of all right -> entertaining

Good games, yes. But then game 3 immediately felt stale with the foresight that 3-2 reverse sweep is just really unlikely in ZvZ :/
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5192 Posts
September 26 2023 11:28 GMT
#41
No1 edit the match ups for upcoming ASL matches please, until the day itself. It can spoil people who didn't catch up yet of results.
FBH #1!
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3092 Posts
September 26 2023 11:28 GMT
#42
Fun fact: yesterday one player closed his stream to prepare for the series, while the other was playing Protoss and Terran in a late offrace proleague, then had a drink until 3 am in the morning. Guess which one won 3-0?
whylessness
Profile Joined November 2010
United States376 Posts
September 26 2023 11:33 GMT
#43
On September 26 2023 20:28 TMNT wrote:
Fun fact: yesterday one player closed his stream to prepare for the series, while the other was playing Protoss and Terran in a late offrace proleague, then had a drink until 3 am in the morning. Guess which one won 3-0?


how appropriate for the mafia zerg. maybe he was trying to calm his nerves..
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5192 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-26 11:35:31
September 26 2023 11:34 GMT
#44
Tbf, EffOrt always had good ZvZ and staying up till 3 am isn't at all bad if your match is at 19:00 that day lol.
FBH #1!
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8496 Posts
September 26 2023 11:52 GMT
#45
Guys ! It is over ? Effort won 3-0 ????
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5192 Posts
September 26 2023 13:04 GMT
#46
On September 26 2023 20:52 prosatan wrote:
Guys ! It is over ? Effort won 3-0 ????

It is what it is. Effort showed no mercy.

Now we can move on to the real goodness that is TvZ and PvZ
FBH #1!
kaspa84
Profile Joined July 2016
Brazil169 Posts
September 26 2023 13:23 GMT
#47
Hopefully now Mini will show how great his PvZ is compared to the other top tier Ps. His play is looking good so far, second title incoming!
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
September 26 2023 17:29 GMT
#48
Effort proving the haters wrong just as I expected. That man still has fire in him
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland577 Posts
September 26 2023 18:34 GMT
#49
Action apparently decided to quit starcraft and streaming for time being...

https://vod.afreecatv.com/player/107620804
it's not just a music it's something else
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8496 Posts
September 26 2023 20:06 GMT
#50
On September 27 2023 03:34 whaski wrote:
Action apparently decided to quit starcraft and streaming for time being...

https://vod.afreecatv.com/player/107620804

Saw the video whaski ; don't understand anything unfortunatelly but i feel for him
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
ruhtraeel
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada125 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-26 20:11:37
September 26 2023 20:11 GMT
#51
On September 27 2023 03:34 whaski wrote:
Action apparently decided to quit starcraft and streaming for time being...

https://vod.afreecatv.com/player/107620804


It's good for players to take breaks I think, especially after demoralizing losses like he just had (where he threw games away with some key mistakes)
Since SC is so ingrained in them, they'll come back with a fresh perspective and a new attitude

That being said, I think you can really see why Effort is a multi time champion in his attitude/personality. You can really see his confidence and steadiness, where he thinks he can beat anyone, and isn't rattled by mistakes
Muff2n
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom250 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-26 20:49:50
September 26 2023 20:49 GMT
#52
Yeah, it's not like effort didn't make mistakes. In g1 he should have put the injured mutas at his nat and harassed with healthy ones, but he did the reverse and lost the injured mutas. But then he dug himself out of the tech hole with a well orchestrated counter and that was that.

Both effort and mini are fun players, so I'm really looking forward to their encounter.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3092 Posts
September 26 2023 21:19 GMT
#53
From his words it looks like he hasn't had fun broadcasting and playing the game for a while but still tried to hold it through this ASL. After getting eliminated, it seems like the appropriate time to announce. Hopefully after a while he will come back (like many of them) and at least be semi active like Rain now.
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
September 26 2023 22:13 GMT
#54
Ah too bad for Action, training so hard, hitting top 8 constantly just to get eliminated by a returning zerg.
sunbeams are never made like me...
Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States365 Posts
September 26 2023 23:54 GMT
#55
On September 26 2023 19:55 whylessness wrote:
effort's win pose is s-tier


we welcome our champion with open arms as he does to us
chongu
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2593 Posts
September 27 2023 00:16 GMT
#56
Game 1 was exhilarating. Never thought the come back was possible.
SC2 is to BW, what coke is to wine.
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7816 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-27 01:41:43
September 27 2023 01:38 GMT
#57
I’ve been a fan of Action since he transferred to KT… he is the definition of un-clutch. I was surprised many were giving him a good chance to advance here. Results are not surprising to me. Still hurts as a fan.

Unless he has a crazy mindset change I don’t see him being a championship contender ever pretty much.

Effort vs Mini should be a good series!

Edit: Just read he is taking a break. Hope that he finds his mindset change there somehow and returns to win. GGs
Kodan
Profile Joined May 2010
United States51 Posts
September 27 2023 01:47 GMT
#58
Action reminds me of kirk cousins from the NFL tbh, lol
Soultrain
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3819 Posts
September 27 2023 05:54 GMT
#59
Primetime Action
: o )
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8496 Posts
September 27 2023 10:58 GMT
#60
Action is back streaming

Now he will play a game - Defense Derby

He looks happy
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
redknights
Profile Joined December 2021
206 Posts
September 27 2023 13:02 GMT
#61
I think that was his final stream and he wrote a post saying goodbye 20 minutes ago

I see community posts of his university students crying so maybe this is really the end
redknights
Profile Joined December 2021
206 Posts
September 27 2023 13:05 GMT
#62
I've said this before but don't be shocked to see more of this as the pros get older and wonder what to do with the rest of their lives.

Combine that with no true up and coming talent from the next generation and we have to wonder if we are approaching an end of an era

I would appreciate all the Korean BW content while it lasts and not take it for granted
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8145 Posts
September 27 2023 14:07 GMT
#63
That's really too bad to hear about action. He's a phenomenal ZvTer and one of the best zergs on the scene right now. Hard to believe he's actually retiring for good given how many other pros have "retired" only to come back a few months later (effort, stork, rain). Hope he has a good break, but if he's gone for good I appreciate all the joy he brought me by playing amazing BW.
Free Palestine
Nirli
Profile Joined February 2023
Bulgaria378 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-27 14:46:47
September 27 2023 14:46 GMT
#64
Absolute tilt after game 1, same as with hero. Depressing stuff.

I don't wanna spam about champion mentality yet again, but yeah.
QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-27 15:25:54
September 27 2023 15:25 GMT
#65
On September 27 2023 23:07 Ideas wrote:
That's really too bad to hear about action. He's a phenomenal ZvTer and one of the best zergs on the scene right now. Hard to believe he's actually retiring for good given how many other pros have "retired" only to come back a few months later (effort, stork, rain). Hope he has a good break, but if he's gone for good I appreciate all the joy he brought me by playing amazing BW.

Yeah, I hope he makes a return. Feels like he's never really had the success or recognition you'd expect for a player of his talents (how many Zergs can consistantly crush Flash in a macro game?).

Still, can't be sad about a Mini vs EffOrt rematch. If it's anything like their last clash it should be absolutely incredible.
tankgirl
Profile Blog Joined May 2016
Canada428 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-27 17:28:02
September 27 2023 17:27 GMT
#66
On September 27 2023 22:02 redknights wrote:
I think that was his final stream and he wrote a post saying goodbye 20 minutes ago

I see community posts of his university students crying so maybe this is really the end


Farewell to one of our favorite zergs...I'll never forget this phenomenal game vs FlaSh...been an ActioN fan ever since:


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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51503 Posts
September 27 2023 23:39 GMT
#67
from what i can gather action has been thinking about retiring for quite a while and felt that it was better for him to go out on his own terms rather than being forced into retiring.
Commentator
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
September 28 2023 00:08 GMT
#68
This is bad. He was one of the top zergs, he was so strong during older seasons when FlaSh was dominating, constantly hitting those ro8 and even ro4 once, then he kinda stopped showing those results only to comeback. Fun fact: if Action gets defilers it's GG. I just hope to see Defiler master in future again, just like I'm waiting to see Larva and Last.
sunbeams are never made like me...
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4227 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-28 06:52:25
September 28 2023 06:50 GMT
#69
On September 27 2023 03:34 whaski wrote:
Action apparently decided to quit starcraft and streaming for time being...

https://vod.afreecatv.com/player/107620804

what a shame, he's such a great player..

this suxx balls.. but I wish everything the best for him
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1659 Posts
September 28 2023 06:57 GMT
#70
Ultimate ZerG back again. An other sick zvt final please.
No coward soul is mine, No trembler in the world's storm-troubled sphere, I see Heaven's glories shine, And Faith shines equal arming me from Fear
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3122 Posts
September 30 2023 00:30 GMT
#71
I agree with Artosis I think EffOrt is going to win this ASL. He's always been scary.
Artosis loves Starcraft
avi.live
Profile Joined March 2009
Ukraine16 Posts
September 30 2023 06:48 GMT
#72
Seems like devouvers do not work on small limits since your opponent is going to have more gas by skipping tech and overwhelm you with scourges. Maybe defilers would have been a better option?
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