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On August 23 2023 19:03 Terrorbladder wrote: why is the first matchup Rush vs TBD on the sidebar? It's Ivory, he must be not on database yet. Let's see if he's capable to at least win 1 game. | ||
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namkraft
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On August 23 2023 19:03 outscar wrote: It's Ivory, he must be not on database yet. Let's see if he's capable to at least win 1 game. Birthday of major Starleague Ro24 player unknown in Sospa page. Even Boxer wouldn't predict Broodwar would fall to this. If he wins one game, he'll get his own Liquipedia page for sure. | ||
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outscar
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On August 23 2023 19:05 namkraft wrote: Birthday of major Starleague Ro24 player unknown in Sospa page. Even Boxer wouldn't predict Broodwar would fall to this. If he wins one game, he'll get his own Liquipedia page for sure. Looking at this group odds are against him. Even any other lower tier pro will have hard time. But let's not give up our hope. | ||
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On August 23 2023 19:03 outscar wrote: It's Ivory, he must be not on database yet. Let's see if he's capable to at least win 1 game. I'll add him if he advances  | ||
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prosatan
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On August 23 2023 19:27 Peeano wrote: +1 armor first by Rush feels a bit odd. Is it disrespect? lol no no no Peeano! I swear i know this build and it is against guards | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On August 23 2023 19:20 konadora wrote: a LOT of fans rooting for the rookie great job on afreeca's part for putting him in a group with stork and bisu meaning he'll get a lot of eyes. | ||
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outscar
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konadora
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lost to that one rush by Rush rip | ||
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konadora
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On August 23 2023 19:30 prosatan wrote: what was that ?! action all over the place into gg Rush decided to push out with 2 valks instead of playing "safe". if Rush pushed out around 30 seconds later, ivory would have been SO much more ahead ivory also probably expected Rush to go for his expos instead of his nat and main. he made lurkers in his expos first | ||
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prosatan
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On August 23 2023 19:31 konadora wrote: Rush decided to push out with 2 valks instead of playing "safe". if Rush pushed out around 30 seconds later, ivory would have been SO much more ahead yeah kona... and maybe lurkers were a bit late... idk  | ||
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konadora
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On August 23 2023 19:32 Peeano wrote: Zergs should really start switching to lurkers before valks hit. yeah he made around 5-6 mutas too many | ||
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Terrorbladder
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On August 23 2023 19:32 outscar wrote: Mass muta + lurker research = no scourgesNice try from Ivory but no scourges to snipe valks and no sunkens. | ||
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TMNT
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konadora
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On August 23 2023 19:34 TMNT wrote: Another TvZ where Z micro'd his ass off and T took all kinds of damage but kept making MM and 1-2 planes then A moved into Zerg's natural. Sigh. Ivory didnt scout main to check if Rush was making valks or vessel. Ivory's lurker timing was based on vessel timing. That was his fault lol | ||
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Terrorbladder
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On August 23 2023 19:34 TMNT wrote: Stop whining.Another TvZ where Z micro'd his ass off and T took all kinds of damage but kept making MM and 1-2 planes then A moved into Zerg's natural. Sigh. | ||
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outscar
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On August 23 2023 19:37 konadora wrote: holy shit everyone in the crowd is like in their 30s and they've been watching since they were in elementary school or So1 OSL period... i love this game so much, i'm in my 30s now too They even brought some kids to cheer! Fresh blood to replace pros when they will hit 40+ hopefully. | ||
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Gorsameth
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Just muta spam isn't going to end a terran who is going for valks. | ||
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Peeano
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On August 23 2023 19:34 TMNT wrote: Another TvZ where Z micro'd his ass off and T took all kinds of damage but kept making MM and 1-2 planes then A moved into Zerg's natural. Sigh. Something for Zergs to solve. They should know by now the 2hatch muta into 3hatch doesn't work anymore. It relies so much on having perfect muta micro and doing crazy amounts of dmg to go even. I'm kind of baffled how long the ZvT meta has been in this state. I refuse to believe the current ZvT approach is the most ideal way to play ZvT. | ||
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On August 23 2023 19:54 outscar wrote: Did Stork overmake workers, where that supply comes from?? yep, pumped more probes to mine out faster and use better economy to overpower bisu now it is backfiring | ||
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konadora
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that reaver shuttle micro saved stork's ass looool | ||
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prosatan
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At least he manged to take a game... my baby didnt  | ||
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konadora
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On August 23 2023 19:58 outscar wrote: Well RIP Ivory. Can't imagine him knocking out Bisu - he deserves a page just for that! that would be quite crazy to imagine lol defeating Bisu and knocking him out on his best match up... | ||
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Gorsameth
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RowdierBob
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/btbej.jpg) I’m warming up the bucket :D | ||
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konadora
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On August 23 2023 19:59 Gorsameth wrote: screwing up that last shuttle micro and not picking up the reavers after dropping them infront of the army really just ended the game right there. ya why the hell were they so ahead lol | ||
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outscar
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On August 23 2023 19:59 RowdierBob wrote: I’m warming up the bucket :D You gonna need to bring 100 of them in case Ivory knocks him out. | ||
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Peeano
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On August 23 2023 19:57 prosatan wrote: GGGG!! we need daniel to see his favorite player ! At least he manged to take a game... my baby didnt *Start chanting Song Byung Gu, Song Byung Gu!* | ||
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prosatan
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On August 23 2023 20:00 Peeano wrote: *Start chanting Song Byung Gu, Song Byung Gu!* Peeano, maybe he has a chance vs Rush... but he must do something unexpected... not 2 base carriers...not like that | ||
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outscar
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BLinD-RawR
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On August 23 2023 19:59 RowdierBob wrote: I’m warming up the bucket :D makes me happy to see this still around. | ||
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outscar
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On August 23 2023 20:04 BLinD-RawR wrote: makes me happy to see this still around. Are you the original maker of this Blindrawr? | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On August 23 2023 20:07 outscar wrote: Are you the original maker of this Blindrawr? no, I was around when it was first posted about 12-13 years ago. | ||
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konadora
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shouldnt have went carriers unless it was cross spawn... | ||
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Magic Powers
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On August 23 2023 20:21 BLinD-RawR wrote: hey stork went carriers. Rush seemed surprised when he didn't scan more stargates. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On August 23 2023 20:23 Terrorbladder wrote: ASLChampRush thanks for jinxing it. | ||
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Kaal
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M2
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On August 23 2023 20:24 prosatan wrote: man .. something is not right.. i mean rush is strong, no doubt about this ; but what went wrong for Stork ? I didn't see any major mistake ... maybe the map is good for t Well he is slow and clumsy (relatively for this level of play), it is very visible and clear when you look his army and probes movement and reactions. He is semi retired pro player now | ||
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TMNT
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On August 23 2023 20:26 M2 wrote: Well he is slow and clumsy (relatively for this level of play), it is very visible and clear when you look his army and probes movement and reactions. He is semi retired pro player now He is slow but not clumsy. His clicks are very efficient you need to watch his FP view to be aware of that. But Prosatan was right, Stork didn't make any major mistake. Maybe apart from the blunder with the 4 marines at the beginning. No Dragoons stepping into mines, Probe pull very fast,... Problem is he didn't make any good moves as well. The essence of that game is Rush hard-countered Stork with a 7 Fac timing which is not holdable with Gateway units. Maybe, and only maybe, Snow can delay that push with his insane Reaver control and get 4 Carriers out in time and we have a game. But no other Protosses in the world can hold that push. | ||
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On August 23 2023 20:37 outscar wrote: WTF is this build, no gas mining on nat and spire? Looks like ivory wants to apply lots of muta pressure while expanding rapidly. | ||
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konadora
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ivory completely lost air control bisu read him like a book despite the attempted mind games as expected of the PvZ GOD | ||
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RowdierBob
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Still, nice showing from Ivory in his first ASL. He def have rush a few scares. | ||
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At least with Bisu advancing Protoss has a chance. Stork's just gonna be cannon fodder in the next round lol. | ||
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RowdierBob
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On August 23 2023 19:59 RowdierBob wrote: I’m warming up the bucket :D Not today, old friend. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
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Happy to see Bisu make it because I generally think he's unstable. Lucked out with Stork and IvOry for sure. Am I the only one who finds PvP really interesting and fun to watch? | ||
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WGT-Baal
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I thought the games were fine, iVory had a good showing, hope he comes back next season | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
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Oh one thing: Seeing for the first time how Bisu plays the game (seeing his screen) ... I lost a lot of respect.. what a weirdo LOL | ||
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prosatan
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On August 24 2023 03:52 MaGic~PhiL wrote: Rush impressed me.. nothing more to say.. Oh one thing: Seeing for the first time how Bisu plays the game (seeing his screen) ... I lost a lot of respect.. what a weirdo LOL Whyyyy? | ||
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Diggity
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Is it me or do all the Terran look incredibly strong coming out of the round of 24? | ||
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Diggity
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I guess you mean Rush. To me the Terrans only look strong because of their opponents' performance and/or skill difference. Yes Rush. Derping out a bit. Also my argument isn't that there is a race imbalance at the moment but that the players in the Terran field look particularly aggressive/skilled. So I suppose you are agreeing. | ||
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On August 24 2023 06:33 TMNT wrote: None of the Protosses are good enough to win this season which means it's TvZ to decide the champion which means a Terran will win it which means it's either Royal JYJ or Rush. All depending on bracket really. Well unless Soma can defy the odds. Not sure I really agree. Mini can absolutely win if he gets on a hot streak. Granted, PvT is his worst matchup and he's inconsistent, but he did manage to stumble across the finish line vs Rush in ASL 12. Plus you've got Action and SoulKey, both of whom are very strong in ZvT. And Best can probably take out a Terran or two before he inevitably crashes and burns. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
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On August 24 2023 06:33 TMNT wrote: None of the Protosses are good enough to win this season which means it's TvZ to decide the champion which means a Terran will win it which means it's either Royal JYJ or Rush. All depending on bracket really. Well unless Soma can defy the odds. man TMNT, so aggressive about your opinion I happen to believe in our Protoss chads. Despite their having a penchant for faceplanting, namely Mini and BeSt and Bisu, wait that's all of them, I think they have what it takes to win it all. They just need to get out of their own way a little. YA JUST GOTTA BELIEVE BROTHER! | ||
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BisuDagger
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On August 24 2023 10:52 reincremate wrote: Yeah, respect to Ivory for playing straight up against Rush and not trying to hydra bust Bisu. Yup, Ivory is the only respectable Zerg to play this season. I feel so relieved that Bisu advanced. | ||
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On August 24 2023 06:33 TMNT wrote: None of the Protosses are good enough to win this season which means it's TvZ to decide the champion which means a Terran will win it which means it's either Royal JYJ or Rush. All depending on bracket really. Well unless Soma can defy the odds. lol JYJ going to win back-to-back ASLs without ever playing a protoss in either tournament I was impressed with Ivory's play against rush even though he lost. Rush just has impeccable push timings, he's a total beast. Hoping to see more of Ivory in the future. | ||
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Lazyer
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Also it was kind of interesting that today was the first PvP we've had all season, and we got 2 of them! They'll probably be the last PvPs we'll see until ASL 17. Stork I feel like was playing sloppy (or at his level?), he got his army surrounded and split in every single game today. At least he pulled out the carriers, also probably the last we'll see of them until ASL17 since Snow is out too. Bisu not going DTs felt kind of uncharacteristic, I remember last season he basically DT rushed out of his group, but it was much less stacked. Ivory put up a decent fight! His muta micro in G1 was pretty good, I think he was probably hoping to carry that into his losers match, but got stonewalled. Makes me wonder if he's pretty good at ZvZ too. Hope to see more of him! | ||
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townhouse
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i have hope for P. mini has 3 finals appearances + a title. bisu is a legend that has been playing well lately. and best... well ya never know | ||
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TMNT
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I'd rather that than spreading them in 3 groups to all get eliminated. Meanwhile, JYJ will make a group of him + 3 Zergs and cruise through into Ro8. | ||
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whylessness
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On August 24 2023 16:26 TMNT wrote: You know how Protoss can get at least one guy into Ro8? I believe Best has the 4th pick which means the 5th pick belongs to that 4th picked guy. So Best can pick Bisu and Bisu can immediately pick Mini afterwards and the last ofthe group will probably be Soma or Soulkey. So here we go, 3 P in 1 group, at least 1 will go through. I'd rather that than spreading them in 3 groups to all get eliminated. Meanwhile, JYJ will make a group of him + 3 Zergs and cruise through into Ro8. protoss collusion in the face of insurmountable odds. love it. On August 24 2023 18:24 reincremate wrote: No need for Protoss. Just give us endless TvZs. tvz has become a bit stale with the dominance of valk builds imo. gone are the days of mech switches, grueling mass muta games, 1-1-1... i mean, i think mutas were p. much broken before remastered fixed their splash damage. but now i feel tvz is just... ok, there was one engage with valks. did the terran hit his shots or did the zerg snipe the valks? ok, now the game snowballs from here. gg how can soma "figure out" valks and create a build that counters them? in the hands of a capable player like light, fantasy as he recently showed in the gamers8 legends tourny, or flash it can look clinical, boring even (if the zerg went muta) less viable builds = less dynamic match up. | ||
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On August 24 2023 18:51 whylessness wrote: Remastered fix muta splash damage? How :Oprotoss collusion in the face of insurmountable odds. love it. tvz has become a bit stale with the dominance of valk builds imo. gone are the days of mech switches, grueling mass muta games, 1-1-1... i mean, i think mutas were p. much broken before remastered fixed their splash damage. but now i feel tvz is just... ok, there was one engage with valks. did the terran hit his shots or did the zerg snipe the valks? ok, now the game snowballs from here. gg how can soma "figure out" valks and create a build that counters them? in the hands of a capable player like light, fantasy as he recently showed in the gamers8 legends tourny, or flash it can look clinical, boring even (if the zerg went muta) less viable builds = less dynamic match up. | ||
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On August 23 2023 20:49 TMNT wrote: At least with Bisu advancing Protoss has a chance. Stork's just gonna be cannon fodder in the next round lol. Yes exactly. TBH i am not sure why Stork is playing ASL at all??? He said he would retire after season 14, but for 2 seasons in a row now he returns with to fill the ''carrier sponge fodder spot'' (i respect him a lot though, he's one of my all time favorites). If you discount Stork's legendary 2005-2009 years, Stork had his best ''veteran'' moments back in 2019/2020 when he smashed Jeadong, Last and Best (all 3-0 in KSL3) only to be stopped by Mini. And the following ASL9 he got into RO8, where he was stopped by Light in a close series between them. After that Stork's performance dropped significantly. Bisu on the other hand, he is like that variable star who sometimes looks like a champion in writing and sometimes like a looser. Bisu is still a legit championship contender. With Rain, Snow and Light gone he has a huge chance to win ASL this season. So it's better for the tournament that Bisu advanced over Stork's carcass. Very impressed with Ivory. If that guy managed to beat Ssak and Soma to get into ASL, he is so legit! Both his matches looked very impressive (unlike Beast and 815 who were just fucking cheesing their asses in previous ASLs, because they knew they had no chance in standard games). I believe we do not have a favorite to win ASL anymore. Soma, Action, Hero, Soulkey, Mini, Bisu, Royal, JYJ, Rush, Mind - all are pretty equal in combat shape in my eyes. Snow and Light were the strongest players by FAR, so i ain't calling anything now. | ||
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On August 24 2023 23:25 outscar wrote: Imagine if we end up with TvT finals once again for 3rd consecutive time? If that happens we need petition to fire 910, I never liked his choices of maps. One guy shouldn't be in charge of all that. And next season Flash and fantasy are likely to participate as well lol. Fantasy might not be champion material by next season but flash always is... | ||
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On August 24 2023 11:23 BisuDagger wrote: Yup, Ivory is the only respectable Zerg to play this season. And look what that got him... That said, Killer and Effort played nice PvZ's, so it's not all hydra busts... | ||
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On August 24 2023 11:23 BisuDagger wrote: Yup, Ivory is the only respectable Zerg to play this season. I feel so relieved that Bisu advanced. Soma? (is amazing imo) | ||
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RogerChillingworth
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Honestly Soma's almost too good. It's like auroboros or some shit. He's goin so fast and hitting every mark he goes back in time and is AFK during his match and loses to some weak shit. Or himself. I bet his off-race is BANGA. I thought ivOry played pretty good but had some questionable greed going on and some banana peel moments. If we get a PvZ finals where Soma's the Z I'm gonna grow a rubbery one. | ||
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On August 24 2023 20:28 Terrorbladder wrote: Remastered fix muta splash damage? How :O No, as I understand it remastered fixed Valkyrie splash damage by removing the occasions where sprite limits caused rockets to not spawn and hence not do damage. Affecting muta balance versus T from the other direction. | ||
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Qikz
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On August 24 2023 12:45 townhouse wrote: valks are so OP. what a dumb unit I would love to see someone saying this back in 2009 when FanTaSy was using them a bunch and everyone called them garbage hahaha. On August 25 2023 13:14 Turbovolver wrote: No, as I understand it remastered fixed Valkyrie splash damage by removing the occasions where sprite limits caused rockets to not spawn and hence not do damage. Affecting muta balance versus T from the other direction. I don't believe they ever actually fixed that, they planned to but I think either never put it in or removed it because it broke something else. Either way that wouldn't have any affect on the games we see right now it's only affected when the sprite limit is reached and that isn't done early game. It's mainly in late game with 200/200 but it's mainly when there's more than 2 people. | ||
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On August 25 2023 16:33 Qikz wrote: I would love to see someone saying this back in 2009 when FanTaSy was using them a bunch and everyone called them garbage hahaha. I don't believe they ever actually fixed that, they planned to but I think either never put it in or removed it because it broke something else. Either way that wouldn't have any affect on the games we see right now it's only affected when the sprite limit is reached and that isn't done early game. It's mainly in late game with 200/200 but it's mainly when there's more than 2 people. Yea I think that's always been a misconception about the BW remaster and valk micro and sprite limit lol. I don't think valks were ever busted in pro BW scene because of sprite limit.. only hard to micro until pros sorta figured it out in 2008/2009 with fantasy build. It does seem like valk micro has gotten a lot better in the last few years since Remastered came out (same as with muta micro), possibly due to turn rate being increased? But might just be that pros have gotten a lot better at it by having even more years of experience with it. | ||
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Magic Powers
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As others have said, the sprite limit rarely (or perhaps never) affects regular 1v1. | ||
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SlayerS_BunkiE
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On August 25 2023 00:50 QOGQOG wrote: People are still on the "oh poor zerg" thing? After 2/3 advanced to the Ro16? Really? Hahaha my wife and I only tuned it for this last group and when we saw the Ro16 list, we were like I betcha Zergs are still bitching about something. On valks — I still clearly remember the TL writeup that had a pic of Fantasy, Oov, and Boxer. The caption was “Hyung, this little nooblet wants to use Valkyries in TvZ. I keep telling him no but he wont listen. Imma make him scrub toilets all weekend.” | ||
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Ideas
United States8100 Posts
On August 26 2023 00:20 Magic Powers wrote: Backshot with valkyries was discovered somewhat recently and that has made them more viable. That's the whole reason why we're seeing them being used more now. As others have said, the sprite limit rarely (or perhaps never) affects regular 1v1. What's the difference between modern valk micro and what is described in this thread from 2009? https://tl.net/forum/bw-strategy/98125-valkyrie-micro YT video showing it: Fantasy doing it in 2009 (you can see him failing it a lot beforehand though haha): | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4098 Posts
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outscar
2832 Posts
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whylessness
United States376 Posts
and wasn't the 100 sprite missile limit or whatever it's called like all the sprites on the screen at once including the valks, or only the valks? i could be completely wrong about everything tho, lol | ||
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RKC
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TMNT
2710 Posts
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1707 Posts
On August 26 2023 13:55 RKC wrote: Didn't Flash 3-0ed Zero in MSL final with valk builds? Such crisp timings. Man this is really testing my memory. Can’t recall game1. Game 2 I can’t really say what Flash’s build was, but the story here was Zero got the better of him in the opener when Flash did his typical fast scout to confirm 12hatch before he does a very fast expo. Zero hid his natural expansion so Flash’s expo timing and build was messed up. In the interview, Flash said he was mentally preparing for a loss before somehow pulling out the win. Game 3 I’m not sure if it was a mech switch midway, but essentially Flash got a group of vultures in and decimated Zero. It wasn’t game ending but down 2-0 against Flash with that much of a deficit, it might as well have been. | ||
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1707 Posts
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Peeano
Netherlands4990 Posts
1.  JyJ picks  Calm - Group A2. Mind picks Killer - Group B3. herO picks Ample - Group C4.  Best picks Sharp - Group D5. Sharp picks Action - Group D6. Ample picks SoulKey - Group C7. Killer picks effort - Group B8. Calm picks soma - Group A9. soma picks Mini - Group A10. effOrt picks Rush - Group B11. SoulKey picks Bisu - Group C12. RoyaL goes to Group D![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/FRGCQwd.png) JyJ gets last say and swaps Mini and effort![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/xr7ncf7.png) Schedule: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/3JBfVqG.png) | ||
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TMNT
2710 Posts
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outscar
2832 Posts
I'm really looking forward to Ample's TvZ if he can knock out monstrous herO or late game unbeatable SoulKey so Bisu has chance to get out. | ||
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ggsimida
1148 Posts
mini rush hero sk action best | ||
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Crimson)S(hadow
Philippines553 Posts
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RJBTV
194 Posts
On August 28 2023 21:14 outscar wrote: All of groups look so stacked I can't even pick up group of death. Which one? A or C? If we don't count effOrt as top zerg right now it surely looks like C is Group of Death. I'm really looking forward to Ample's TvZ if he can knock out monstrous herO or late game unbeatable SoulKey so Bisu has chance to get out. If you ask me all groups are equally groups of death. How I'd rank groups based on skill. D: Best = Royal = Action > Sharp. C: HerO = Soulkey = Bisu > Ample B: Rush = Mini > Mind(has not played much) > Killer A: Soma > JyJ > Effort > Calm Predictions: D: Action + Sharp C: HerO + Ample (hopium!) If Ample can avoid Bisu he has a solid shot. If Ample meets Bisu its donezo. B: Rush + Mini A: Soma and JyJ | ||
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TornadoSteve
1024 Posts
On August 28 2023 22:15 RJBTV wrote: If you ask me all groups are equally groups of death. How I'd rank groups based on skill. D: Best = Royal = Action > Sharp. C: HerO = Soulkey = Bisu > Ample B: Rush = Mini > Mind(has not played much) > Killer A: Soma > JyJ > Effort > Calm Predictions: D: Action + Sharp C: HerO + Ample (hopium!) If Ample can avoid Bisu he has a solid shot. If Ample meets Bisu its donezo. B: Rush + Mini A: Soma and JyJ you misstyped your group D prediction. Surely action has a decent shot, though. | ||
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oEkY
Germany648 Posts
On August 28 2023 21:07 TMNT wrote: JYJ could have killed multiple birds with one stone by swapping Mini for Ample but I guess he only wants to practice one matchup. Not sure why he didn't bring Killer to his group instead of Effort? Maybe he wants to use Effort to knock out Soma. I might also be wrong, but didnt they change the rules for swapping players for this season or from last season on? I think I heard somewhere (probably in a starcastTV-stream), that a player cannot swap first player picks, so you can only swap 3rd and 4th players of each group... | ||
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TMNT
2710 Posts
On August 28 2023 22:49 oEkY wrote: I might also be wrong, but didnt they change the rules for swapping players for this season or from last season on? I think I heard somewhere (probably in a starcastTV-stream), that a player cannot swap first player picks, so you can only swap 3rd and 4th players of each group... Good if true. The old rule gave too much power to the 1st seeds that they could run away with a piss easy group. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19239 Posts
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RogerChillingworth
2848 Posts
May Mini and BeSt not shit the bed, amen. | ||
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Shinokuki
United States859 Posts
On August 28 2023 23:57 RogerChillingworth wrote: Damn JYJ is gonna puree that group unless Soma can pull an upset. Soma might also fall to mass zvz dogpile. May Mini and BeSt not shit the bed, amen. You haven't been watching proleague recently? It's who beats Soma lmao. JYJ is not top tier player. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
2848 Posts
i always knew i was funny. ty bb | ||
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RogerChillingworth
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Magic Powers
Austria4098 Posts
Sharp is another strong contender, people have been underestimating him. Effort is also a top pick. My vote goes to Soma, then probably Sharp. | ||
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TornadoSteve
1024 Posts
On August 29 2023 00:13 Magic Powers wrote: Of the remaining players the one to beat is definitely Soma. JyJ is a strong player, but in this ASL he's around mid tier right now. Sharp is another strong contender, people have been underestimating him. Effort is also a top pick. My vote goes to Soma, then probably Sharp. a+ lol | ||
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RJBTV
194 Posts
On August 29 2023 00:00 Shinokuki wrote: You haven't been watching proleague recently? It's who beats Soma lmao. JYJ is not top tier player. JyJ haa actually been super solid past two weeks but Soma without a doubt(with the exclusion of snow and light) has been performing the best. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19239 Posts
On August 29 2023 00:13 Magic Powers wrote: Of the remaining players the one to beat is definitely Soma. JyJ is a strong player, but in this ASL he's around mid tier right now. Sharp is another strong contender, people have been underestimating him. Effort is also a top pick. My vote goes to Soma, then probably Sharp. Sharp is a bottom 3 player. He has a very poor ASL history. I love the guy, but he’s typical fodder at this stage. I’d be happy to be wrong, but doubt it. | ||
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Destroyer
Czech Republic931 Posts
Anyways, predictions.. JyJ + Effort Mind + Rush Hero + SK Sharp + RoyaL | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4098 Posts
On August 29 2023 04:35 BisuDagger wrote: Sharp is a bottom 3 player. He has a very poor ASL history. I love the guy, but he’s typical fodder at this stage. I’d be happy to be wrong, but doubt it. Sharp is certainly not bottom 3. He's been improving very rapidly lately and ranking very highly. Depending on how useful that information is he could either be top tier or mid tier. I've observed a strong trend of rising talent usually winning the ASL in recent years, that's why Sharp is my second pick. I'm actually less certain about Soma because, even though he's the best remaining player in this ASL, he's also fairly inconsistent. His biggest weakness is that he frequently loses games that he should almost certainly win (or at least not lose in tragic fashion). Sharp doesn't seem to have this weakness, for him it's more the opposite: he pulls out miracle wins when you'd least expect it. | ||
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TMNT
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redknights
206 Posts
On August 29 2023 05:16 Magic Powers wrote: Sharp is certainly not bottom 3. He's been improving very rapidly lately and ranking very highly. Depending on how useful that information is he could either be top tier or mid tier. I've observed a strong trend of rising talent usually winning the ASL in recent years, that's why Sharp is my second pick. I'm actually less certain about Soma because, even though he's the best remaining player in this ASL, he's also fairly inconsistent. His biggest weakness is that he frequently loses games that he should almost certainly win (or at least not lose in tragic fashion). Sharp doesn't seem to have this weakness, for him it's more the opposite: he pulls out miracle wins when you'd least expect it. While I generally root for Sharp, he has to overcome his history of inconsistency and early game missteps to have any chance. In the past, he could usually find his way back into the game from bad positions, but he acknowledges that the advances in optimization in recent years make early game mistakes harder to come back from. Also there are a ton of zergs left and that's his weakest matchup by far. Cannot fall back on mechswitch like the early ASL days. Ridiculously weak against mutalisks and very inconsistent with valk backshots. Will admit he's getting better with vessel management in the SK style. Yes he's been practicing a lot of TvZ due to his Ro24 group, but I'm still not sold that he's turned a corner. Mind hasn't been active recently because he broke up with his long-time serious girlfriend. He still looked very sad/down today. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4195 Posts
do we know? is it 1 vs 2 / 3 vs 4 or 1 vs 4 / 2 vs 3 | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4195 Posts
hopefully at least 1 protoss makes it to the ro8.. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On August 29 2023 11:33 M3t4PhYzX wrote: and the first matchups for each group are..? do we know? is it 1 vs 2 / 3 vs 4 or 1 vs 4 / 2 vs 3 1 vs 2 3 vs 4 | ||
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Nirli
Bulgaria370 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8026 Posts
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Nirli
Bulgaria370 Posts
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RJBTV
194 Posts
On August 29 2023 16:55 Nirli wrote: I don't think he's quite there as far as a championship is concerned, but I do rate him highly. Hero, SK, Action are the Zs I root for and enjoy watching (no JD, sorry). Hero placed in top 4 in almost every season he has played. In terms of average results he is the best. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4195 Posts
thanks & cheers  | ||
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Nirli
Bulgaria370 Posts
On August 29 2023 16:57 RJBTV wrote: Hero placed in top 4 in almost every season he has played. In terms of average results he is the best. I was referring to Action about not being quite there, replying to prosatan. | ||
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whylessness
United States376 Posts
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RJBTV
194 Posts
On August 29 2023 19:28 whylessness wrote: hero is the most bland S-tier zerg. most of his good results are from abusing hydra busts in zvp and his strong zvz. He is fundamentally sound and doesnt take a lot of risks. he has a good read and plays games by the book. he is much like Light in that sense. | ||
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outscar
2832 Posts
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Nirli
Bulgaria370 Posts
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Artas1984
Lithuania119 Posts
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Peeano
Netherlands4990 Posts
On August 30 2023 02:54 Artas1984 wrote: Where is the group nomination video (english or korean)? https://vod.afreecatv.com/player/106454110 | ||
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