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FunkyDragoon
Profile Joined January 2022
48 Posts
March 01 2023 17:10 GMT
#61
On March 01 2023 22:37 Akio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2023 21:13 FunkyDragoon wrote:
A bit off-topic maybe, but I noticed Afreeca VODs stopped working for me. Both for the ASL channel as well as just any progamer channel. Funny thing is I can watch the streams, but the VOD just keeps loading and never starts. Anyone else experiencing a similar problem? I'M located in Europe FWIW and it's worked fine in the last months.

I had the same IsSuE on FireFoX, but it worked on MS Edge


It just worked again for me in chrome
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3132 Posts
March 01 2023 17:14 GMT
#62
Very happy for Barracks. Seems like he gets gipped every season in one way or another.

Also, did someone say Firebat Hero?! My god. Was like a warcraft 3 hero.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4267 Posts
March 01 2023 17:27 GMT
#63
two tier 1 players out of the tournament already..

harsh af..
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4267 Posts
March 01 2023 17:27 GMT
#64
glad that protoss advanced, at least!

<3
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-01 19:24:56
March 01 2023 19:22 GMT
#65
Absolutely clown games, are pros getting that old that they are this bad? At least BarrackS didn't disappoint and Bisu made it but I think he choked a bit with his probes too and got lucky, if Rax microed better he could get out 1st.
sunbeams are never made like me...
FunkyDragoon
Profile Joined January 2022
48 Posts
March 01 2023 20:40 GMT
#66
On March 02 2023 02:10 FunkyDragoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2023 22:37 Akio wrote:
On March 01 2023 21:13 FunkyDragoon wrote:
A bit off-topic maybe, but I noticed Afreeca VODs stopped working for me. Both for the ASL channel as well as just any progamer channel. Funny thing is I can watch the streams, but the VOD just keeps loading and never starts. Anyone else experiencing a similar problem? I'M located in Europe FWIW and it's worked fine in the last months.

I had the same IsSuE on FireFoX, but it worked on MS Edge


It just worked again for me in chrome


Nevermind, broken again, does work in Edge though indeed.
Katkishka
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States658 Posts
March 01 2023 21:48 GMT
#67
How sad it is to see Sharp getting smacked down again. I should've given up hope for him a long time ago, but I can't let go.
Original_TLer
Profile Joined February 2023
28 Posts
March 01 2023 22:22 GMT
#68
On March 02 2023 04:22 outscar wrote:
Absolutely clown games, are pros getting that old that they are this bad? At least BarrackS didn't disappoint and Bisu made it but I think he choked a bit with his probes too and got lucky, if Rax microed better he could get out 1st.


this.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4267 Posts
March 01 2023 22:51 GMT
#69
On March 02 2023 04:22 outscar wrote:
Absolutely clown games, are pros getting that old that they are this bad? At least BarrackS didn't disappoint and Bisu made it but I think he choked a bit with his probes too and got lucky, if Rax microed better he could get out 1st.

games in other competitive korean tournaments do not show this at all

I think it's the format's fault, tbh
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5628 Posts
March 01 2023 23:11 GMT
#70
Sharp... more like Dull
I can't believe he lost to a 5 pool 8 ling eco ._.
FBH #1!
Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States388 Posts
March 02 2023 01:30 GMT
#71
Yessss!!! BARRACKS LETS GOOO! Looking really good this season, tbh his gas steal counter was so close to working too. Too many times Barracks just decides to cheese and randomly die (I forget which season he 8raxed and immediately lost in ro24).

Loved the cute lurker micro when he was so up vs Hyun too, just style points.

Bisu being Bisu, absolutely crushed with his initial zealot vs Hyun. Follow up w/ mixing in the DTs was just on brand too.
RJBTV
Profile Joined December 2022
194 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-02 13:30:36
March 02 2023 13:22 GMT
#72
On March 02 2023 04:22 outscar wrote:
Absolutely clown games, are pros getting that old that they are this bad? At least BarrackS didn't disappoint and Bisu made it but I think he choked a bit with his probes too and got lucky, if Rax microed better he could get out 1st.


Some less mechanically gifted lower tier players feel they have to "outsmart" or gamble to beat higher tier players because both their mechanics and game sense for longer games don't hold up against the higher tier player. Sometimes higher tier players feel they can get away with cutting some corners or overcommitting precisely because they have better game sense and mechanics, which then sometimes results in the higher tier player making mistakes they would otherwise not make because there's a limit to what you can get away with cutting corners or changing optimizations.

And then there's cases where a lower tier player knows/or thinks a higher tier player has a specific weakness they want to/can exploit. There's a bunch of gambling involved that can affect match quality.
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-02 13:30:48
March 02 2023 13:29 GMT
#73
On March 02 2023 22:22 RJBTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2023 04:22 outscar wrote:
Absolutely clown games, are pros getting that old that they are this bad? At least BarrackS didn't disappoint and Bisu made it but I think he choked a bit with his probes too and got lucky, if Rax microed better he could get out 1st.


Lower tier players often feel they have to do weird strats or cheeses to beat higher tier players because their game sense for longer games doesn't hold up against them. Sometimes Higher tier players feel the need to take out a lower tier player quick. And then you get weird games where players somewhat gamble against each other, change minor optimizations here and there, some cut corners or just pure cheese.


I'm ok with any strats they put to table but boy the execution was something else... When was the last time zerg came back vs. T after 5 pool failed? Even S rank terran after holding on can just macro up and go kill the zerg without exaggerating. Sharp did impossible and lost when he had so many worker advantage.
And then HyuN's clown engagement vs. firebats and 2 lurker dancing vs. m&m ball. Those two games didn't look like pro games that was what I trying to say.
sunbeams are never made like me...
RJBTV
Profile Joined December 2022
194 Posts
March 02 2023 13:32 GMT
#74
On March 02 2023 22:29 outscar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2023 22:22 RJBTV wrote:
On March 02 2023 04:22 outscar wrote:
Absolutely clown games, are pros getting that old that they are this bad? At least BarrackS didn't disappoint and Bisu made it but I think he choked a bit with his probes too and got lucky, if Rax microed better he could get out 1st.


Lower tier players often feel they have to do weird strats or cheeses to beat higher tier players because their game sense for longer games doesn't hold up against them. Sometimes Higher tier players feel the need to take out a lower tier player quick. And then you get weird games where players somewhat gamble against each other, change minor optimizations here and there, some cut corners or just pure cheese.


I'm ok with any strats they put to table but boy the execution was something else... When was the last time zerg came back vs. T after 5 pool failed? Even S rank terran after holding on can just macro up and go kill the zerg without exaggerating. Sharp did impossible and lost when he had so many worker advantage.
And then HyuN's clown engagement vs. firebats and 2 lurker dancing vs. m&m ball. Those two games didn't look like pro games that was what I trying to say.

I edited my comment a fair bit just so you know xd.
Those games were pure gambling. Pure gambling games can look either bad or amazing.
End1ess
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada77 Posts
March 02 2023 18:23 GMT
#75
On March 02 2023 05:40 FunkyDragoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2023 02:10 FunkyDragoon wrote:
On March 01 2023 22:37 Akio wrote:
On March 01 2023 21:13 FunkyDragoon wrote:
A bit off-topic maybe, but I noticed Afreeca VODs stopped working for me. Both for the ASL channel as well as just any progamer channel. Funny thing is I can watch the streams, but the VOD just keeps loading and never starts. Anyone else experiencing a similar problem? I'M located in Europe FWIW and it's worked fine in the last months.

I had the same IsSuE on FireFoX, but it worked on MS Edge


It just worked again for me in chrome


Nevermind, broken again, does work in Edge though indeed.


Turn off your Ad blockers. Just before ASL start they implemented ads for international viewers. Live steam still works with ad blockers but VOD are required to watch ads.
FunkyDragoon
Profile Joined January 2022
48 Posts
March 02 2023 19:01 GMT
#76
On March 03 2023 03:23 End1ess wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2023 05:40 FunkyDragoon wrote:
On March 02 2023 02:10 FunkyDragoon wrote:
On March 01 2023 22:37 Akio wrote:
On March 01 2023 21:13 FunkyDragoon wrote:
A bit off-topic maybe, but I noticed Afreeca VODs stopped working for me. Both for the ASL channel as well as just any progamer channel. Funny thing is I can watch the streams, but the VOD just keeps loading and never starts. Anyone else experiencing a similar problem? I'M located in Europe FWIW and it's worked fine in the last months.

I had the same IsSuE on FireFoX, but it worked on MS Edge


It just worked again for me in chrome


Nevermind, broken again, does work in Edge though indeed.


Turn off your Ad blockers. Just before ASL start they implemented ads for international viewers. Live steam still works with ad blockers but VOD are required to watch ads.


Thanks, that was it... Someone suggested it before and I turned the adblocker off but then realized I had two AdBlocker add-ons lol...
whylessness
Profile Joined November 2010
United States376 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-02 21:22:05
March 02 2023 21:16 GMT
#77
On March 02 2023 06:48 Katkishka wrote:
How sad it is to see Sharp getting smacked down again. I should've given up hope for him a long time ago, but I can't let go.


his tvt used to be something really special. he could fight from a supply disadvantage like almost no other terran, constantly outmicroing his opponent's tanks and doing crazy flanks. he made me a fan with those crazy comebacks but i haven't been impressed with his daily proleague or kcm form/results for a long time. i would put him on the level of ssuck now. best terrans right now are probably royal, light, rush then a huge powergap
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19364 Posts
March 02 2023 22:54 GMT
#78
On March 03 2023 06:16 whylessness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2023 06:48 Katkishka wrote:
How sad it is to see Sharp getting smacked down again. I should've given up hope for him a long time ago, but I can't let go.


his tvt used to be something really special. he could fight from a supply disadvantage like almost no other terran, constantly outmicroing his opponent's tanks and doing crazy flanks. he made me a fan with those crazy comebacks but i haven't been impressed with his daily proleague or kcm form/results for a long time. i would put him on the level of ssuck now. best terrans right now are probably royal, light, rush then a huge powergap

I think Barracks and Jyj are extremely skilled Terrans just below the top. Sharp and Mong have been fodder for the ro24 for almost 5 years.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
redknights
Profile Joined December 2021
206 Posts
March 03 2023 04:01 GMT
#79
On March 03 2023 06:16 whylessness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2023 06:48 Katkishka wrote:
How sad it is to see Sharp getting smacked down again. I should've given up hope for him a long time ago, but I can't let go.


his tvt used to be something really special. he could fight from a supply disadvantage like almost no other terran, constantly outmicroing his opponent's tanks and doing crazy flanks. he made me a fan with those crazy comebacks but i haven't been impressed with his daily proleague or kcm form/results for a long time. i would put him on the level of ssuck now. best terrans right now are probably royal, light, rush then a huge powergap

Sharp's TvT has fallen of a cliff w the rise of optimization (Royal once said if he spawns right side and Sharp spawns left side, he can't lose) and he seems to always lose early game vulture fights

The pros do acknowledge he's amazing in the mid to late game with enough size and it's best to kill him before he reaches that size

on a funny note, he spongamed w Bisu the next day (a what-if ASL winner's match) and beat him, maybe he just plays better when he's not choking on the big stage

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NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3142 Posts
March 07 2023 05:23 GMT
#80
Clutch Bisu. Great defending in the winners match.
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