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BLinD-RawR
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RowdierBob
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Malongo
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Zariel
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Hoping for some hype games tonight!! | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On March 01 2023 14:33 RowdierBob wrote: May as well warm up the bucket I get so happy every time I see this. | ||
KristofferAG
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prosatan
Romania8046 Posts
Bisu and rax for my LB! I like Sharp but i don't trust him  | ||
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Szinkler
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masoka82
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TMNT
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Original_TLer
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prosatan
Romania8046 Posts
On March 01 2023 18:52 Original_TLer wrote: parlayed bisu and sharp to win their first bo1's vs hyun and barracks at odds 1.89. almost double my money. LFG! I want you to win Original_TLer , but i have a question! Yesterday you put money on action and mini ? + Show Spoiler + if so , i am sorry  | ||
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Original_TLer
28 Posts
On March 01 2023 19:00 prosatan wrote: I want you to win Original_TLer , but i have a question! Yesterday you put money on action and mini ? + Show Spoiler + if so , i am sorry yes. it won! the bets are applicable to the very first matches only. mini won the first match.  | ||
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prosatan
Romania8046 Posts
On March 01 2023 19:02 Original_TLer wrote: yes. it won! the bets are applicable to the very first matches only. mini won the first match. good good good!!!!  | ||
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Original_TLer
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thanks. I am scared for bisu though. didn't he drop out in his very first bo1 in one ASL? | ||
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prosatan
Romania8046 Posts
On March 01 2023 19:05 Original_TLer wrote: thanks. I am scared for bisu though. didn't he drop out in his very first bo1 in one ASL? hmmmm... i cannot remember  | ||
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namkraft
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Malongo
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PhilGood2DaY
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
On March 01 2023 19:18 Malongo wrote: Someones going to get hydraboosted I stand corrected. Hyun makes hydras look weak. | ||
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TMNT
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prosatan
Romania8046 Posts
GGs | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
On March 01 2023 19:28 TMNT wrote: What a broken matchup. Protoss just make Zealot and A move. Zerg did super little damage with the attempted hydra bust. Toss lost one cannon. Lost 1 zealot. Toss attacked Zerg right in his transition phase from hyds to drones. Toss got a dt through to the main with 5-10 hps left. Zerg mistake there again. I saw hyun losing to Snow going mass DTs / Scout a few days ago. Hyun and Bisu are no in the same tier. You know nothing about this game and Pros skill/confidence levels. broken match up my ass. PvZ is extremely balanced. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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Original_TLer
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PhilGood2DaY
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BLinD-RawR
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KristofferAG
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TMNT
2729 Posts
On March 01 2023 19:33 MaGic~PhiL wrote: Zerg did super little damage with the attempted hydra bust. Toss lost one cannon. Lost 1 zealot. Toss attacked Zerg right in his transition phase from hyds to drones. Toss got a dt through to the main with 5-10 hps left. Zerg mistake there again. I saw hyun losing to Snow going mass DTs / Scout a few days ago. Hyun and Bisu are no in the same tier. You know nothing about this game and Pros skill/confidence levels. broken match up my ass. PvZ is extremely balanced. I thought the sarcasm was so clear in my post :o | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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PhilGood2DaY
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Zariel
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prosatan
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BLinD-RawR
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Original_TLer
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On March 01 2023 20:05 BLinD-RawR wrote: god damn it rax why do you keep doing this lol. i love it. took a gamble. imagine if he pulled it off. | ||
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KristofferAG
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Zariel
Australia1285 Posts
Gas stolen twice. Not a drop of gas was mined on either side. I honestly though Bisu was done, but some godly zealot micro somehow holds against 2rax scv all-in. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
On March 01 2023 20:01 TMNT wrote: I thought the sarcasm was so clear in my post :o Seeing as this is a stance S tier foreigners like Eonzerg hold (similiar thing is trueis for Artosis in regards to PvT) I dont know how I could have known this was sarcastic. Well good for you. Ofc u can ignore my harsh response in that case | ||
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Terrorbladder
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
On March 01 2023 20:12 Zariel wrote: Clutch shield battery. Gas stolen twice. Not a drop of gas was mined on either side. I honestly though Bisu was done, but some godly zealot micro somehow holds against 2rax scv all-in. I was a bit surprised he didnt scout more on the map or went for forge/delay nexus. He had to know sth was iffy when he saw no CC, no real interest in killing gas and no 2nd rax in main. Maybe he disrespects BarrackS so much that he thought he crumbled under pressure. That was extremely close - and you could see it in Bisus reaction after the game, too. | ||
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TMNT
2729 Posts
On March 01 2023 20:05 BLinD-RawR wrote: god damn it rax why do you keep doing this His parents literally named him "Barracks". He has to live up to it. | ||
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prosatan
Romania8046 Posts
On March 01 2023 20:17 TMNT wrote: His parents literally named him "Barracks". He has to live up to it. Haaaaaa!!! Good one TMNT!!!!  | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
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BLinD-RawR
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RowdierBob
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Zariel
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Hyun with greedy 3-base muta just suppresses Sharp's marine count and economy. Absolutely no idea why Sharp was stuck on 2-rax teching to Valkyries. Kind of shows his lack of macro compared to the likes of Light, Flash and Last. Even sent in a "manner hydra" into the Sharp's natural mineral line just to tell him that it was over before the 8 lurkers morphed. A-move with everything and Sharp just fell over and died | ||
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Original_TLer
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On March 01 2023 20:36 RowdierBob wrote: That cheese from Barracks was so dirty and I love it. right?! On March 01 2023 20:33 MaGic~PhiL wrote: Sharp is really that weak? Man I didnt know. I tought it was Mong who always let me down. Maybe I mixed them up? LOL he looked off. | ||
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Zariel
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KristofferAG
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PhilGood2DaY
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lel | ||
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prosatan
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Zariel
Australia1285 Posts
None the less, a strong timing push where Hyun decided to skimp out on building sunkens when the overlord defo had vision of marines and firebats walking out of the base. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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FunkyDragoon
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prosatan
Romania8046 Posts
On March 01 2023 21:13 FunkyDragoon wrote: A bit off-topic maybe, but I noticed Afreeca VODs stopped working for me. Both for the ASL channel as well as just any progamer channel. Funny thing is I can watch the streams, but the VOD just keeps loading and never starts. Anyone else experiencing a similar problem? I'm located in Europe FWIW and it's worked fine in the last months. I have to refresh the stream every 10 minutes or so... | ||
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redknights
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To make matters worse, he's been complaining of wrist/hand pain recently so his physical window might be closing as well Really nice guy and the pros would say he is at def Ro 16 material on paper but at this point it's foolish to expect anything from him except disappointment Only hope is that after he gets married in a few weeks, he follows the Rush playbook of improving a lot after starting a family | ||
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
On March 01 2023 21:13 FunkyDragoon wrote: A bit off-topic maybe, but I noticed Afreeca VODs stopped working for me. Both for the ASL channel as well as just any progamer channel. Funny thing is I can watch the streams, but the VOD just keeps loading and never starts. Anyone else experiencing a similar problem? I'm located in Europe FWIW and it's worked fine in the last months. I had the same issue on Firefox, but it worked on MS Edge | ||
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
Also that 5pool macro game from HyuN was siiiick | ||
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elpolloloco31
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FunkyDragoon
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On March 01 2023 22:37 Akio wrote: I had the same IsSuE on FireFoX, but it worked on MS Edge It just worked again for me in chrome | ||
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RogerChillingworth
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Also, did someone say Firebat Hero?! My god. Was like a warcraft 3 hero. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4195 Posts
harsh af.. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
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<3 | ||
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outscar
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FunkyDragoon
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Nevermind, broken again, does work in Edge though indeed. | ||
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Katkishka
United States649 Posts
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Original_TLer
28 Posts
On March 02 2023 04:22 outscar wrote: Absolutely clown games, are pros getting that old that they are this bad? At least BarrackS didn't disappoint and Bisu made it but I think he choked a bit with his probes too and got lucky, if Rax microed better he could get out 1st. this. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4195 Posts
On March 02 2023 04:22 outscar wrote: Absolutely clown games, are pros getting that old that they are this bad? At least BarrackS didn't disappoint and Bisu made it but I think he choked a bit with his probes too and got lucky, if Rax microed better he could get out 1st. games in other competitive korean tournaments do not show this at all I think it's the format's fault, tbh | ||
Peeano
Netherlands4990 Posts
 DullI can't believe he lost to a 5 pool 8 ling eco ._. | ||
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Lazyer
United States343 Posts
Loved the cute lurker micro when he was so up vs Hyun too, just style points. Bisu being Bisu, absolutely crushed with his initial zealot vs Hyun. Follow up w/ mixing in the DTs was just on brand too. | ||
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RJBTV
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On March 02 2023 04:22 outscar wrote: Absolutely clown games, are pros getting that old that they are this bad? At least BarrackS didn't disappoint and Bisu made it but I think he choked a bit with his probes too and got lucky, if Rax microed better he could get out 1st. Some less mechanically gifted lower tier players feel they have to "outsmart" or gamble to beat higher tier players because both their mechanics and game sense for longer games don't hold up against the higher tier player. Sometimes higher tier players feel they can get away with cutting some corners or overcommitting precisely because they have better game sense and mechanics, which then sometimes results in the higher tier player making mistakes they would otherwise not make because there's a limit to what you can get away with cutting corners or changing optimizations. And then there's cases where a lower tier player knows/or thinks a higher tier player has a specific weakness they want to/can exploit. There's a bunch of gambling involved that can affect match quality. | ||
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outscar
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On March 02 2023 22:22 RJBTV wrote: Lower tier players often feel they have to do weird strats or cheeses to beat higher tier players because their game sense for longer games doesn't hold up against them. Sometimes Higher tier players feel the need to take out a lower tier player quick. And then you get weird games where players somewhat gamble against each other, change minor optimizations here and there, some cut corners or just pure cheese. I'm ok with any strats they put to table but boy the execution was something else... When was the last time zerg came back vs. T after 5 pool failed? Even S rank terran after holding on can just macro up and go kill the zerg without exaggerating. Sharp did impossible and lost when he had so many worker advantage. And then HyuN's clown engagement vs. firebats and 2 lurker dancing vs. m&m ball. Those two games didn't look like pro games that was what I trying to say. | ||
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RJBTV
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On March 02 2023 22:29 outscar wrote: I'm ok with any strats they put to table but boy the execution was something else... When was the last time zerg came back vs. T after 5 pool failed? Even S rank terran after holding on can just macro up and go kill the zerg without exaggerating. Sharp did impossible and lost when he had so many worker advantage. And then HyuN's clown engagement vs. firebats and 2 lurker dancing vs. m&m ball. Those two games didn't look like pro games that was what I trying to say. I edited my comment a fair bit just so you know xd. Those games were pure gambling. Pure gambling games can look either bad or amazing. | ||
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End1ess
Canada73 Posts
On March 02 2023 05:40 FunkyDragoon wrote: Nevermind, broken again, does work in Edge though indeed. Turn off your Ad blockers. Just before ASL start they implemented ads for international viewers. Live steam still works with ad blockers but VOD are required to watch ads. | ||
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FunkyDragoon
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On March 03 2023 03:23 End1ess wrote: Turn off your Ad blockers. Just before ASL start they implemented ads for international viewers. Live steam still works with ad blockers but VOD are required to watch ads. Thanks, that was it... Someone suggested it before and I turned the adblocker off but then realized I had two AdBlocker add-ons lol... | ||
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whylessness
United States376 Posts
On March 02 2023 06:48 Katkishka wrote: How sad it is to see Sharp getting smacked down again. I should've given up hope for him a long time ago, but I can't let go. his tvt used to be something really special. he could fight from a supply disadvantage like almost no other terran, constantly outmicroing his opponent's tanks and doing crazy flanks. he made me a fan with those crazy comebacks but i haven't been impressed with his daily proleague or kcm form/results for a long time. i would put him on the level of ssuck now. best terrans right now are probably royal, light, rush then a huge powergap | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19239 Posts
On March 03 2023 06:16 whylessness wrote: his tvt used to be something really special. he could fight from a supply disadvantage like almost no other terran, constantly outmicroing his opponent's tanks and doing crazy flanks. he made me a fan with those crazy comebacks but i haven't been impressed with his daily proleague or kcm form/results for a long time. i would put him on the level of ssuck now. best terrans right now are probably royal, light, rush then a huge powergap I think Barracks and Jyj are extremely skilled Terrans just below the top. Sharp and Mong have been fodder for the ro24 for almost 5 years. | ||
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redknights
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On March 03 2023 06:16 whylessness wrote: his tvt used to be something really special. he could fight from a supply disadvantage like almost no other terran, constantly outmicroing his opponent's tanks and doing crazy flanks. he made me a fan with those crazy comebacks but i haven't been impressed with his daily proleague or kcm form/results for a long time. i would put him on the level of ssuck now. best terrans right now are probably royal, light, rush then a huge powergap Sharp's TvT has fallen of a cliff w the rise of optimization (Royal once said if he spawns right side and Sharp spawns left side, he can't lose) and he seems to always lose early game vulture fights The pros do acknowledge he's amazing in the mid to late game with enough size and it's best to kill him before he reaches that size on a funny note, he spongamed w Bisu the next day (a what-if ASL winner's match) and beat him, maybe he just plays better when he's not choking on the big stage ![[image loading]](https://image.fmkorea.com/files/attach/new3/20230302/6042994/1407685103/5543535374/62987a59cbe8bf756236aef0d658ff30.png) | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3116 Posts
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Artas1984
Lithuania119 Posts
On March 01 2023 18:52 Original_TLer wrote: parlayed bisu and sharp to win their first bo1's vs hyun and barracks at odds 1.89. almost double my money. LFG! You show these odds from time to time. Where did you get them? Is there an online table/bracket for ASL player bets? ---------------------------------------------------------- I feel like Bisu always get's the most of our criticism/rants (including mine of course) among all other ASL players because we all expect him to back up his demigod/icon status with his gameplay, yet he sometimes fails flat/stupidly. However, the fact remains - coming into ASL15 Bisu is now sharing the NR. 2 position together with Rain as the greatest ASL player of all time by winrate - both at over 59%. | ||
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