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staatbauhaus
Profile Joined February 2020
99 Posts
September 21 2022 14:48 GMT
#41
Light claims Soulkey has the best ZvT out of all the zergs
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-21 15:23:03
September 21 2022 15:22 GMT
#42
Isn't ZvT Soulkey's best matchup? Maybe his ZvP raw win percentage may be higher. But if we're just talking about versus top Terrans and Protoss, Soulkey is truly a ZvT monster while his ZvP is a notch below Zero, Soma and hero.

Sad that Snow lost
gg no re thx
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19322 Posts
September 21 2022 16:05 GMT
#43
This is an awesome quarterfinals lineup! I can't wait to write something fresh!
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
angry_maia
Profile Joined August 2020
327 Posts
September 21 2022 16:42 GMT
#44
On September 21 2022 21:33 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
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On September 21 2022 20:58 TMNT wrote:
On September 21 2022 20:41 HOLYBATS wrote:
Hero not known for ZvT ? He did eliminate Light on ASL12.

His ZvT is def weaker than ZvP tho. Currently only 38% vs Rush. 3W 10L record since July.

It's funny that Soulkey and Hero knocked down Bisu and Snow, who are more likely to beat Royal and Rush than themselves.

The original balance theory of Z>>P>T
The reason T does well is because Ps get eliminated by Zs


Slight addendum: Z >> P > T = Z. However Flash >> P, Z, T, which gets conflated into T>Z and T=P.
prion_
Profile Joined September 2022
79 Posts
September 21 2022 17:00 GMT
#45
On September 21 2022 23:48 staatbauhaus wrote:
Light claims Soulkey has the best ZvT out of all the zergs


SK went 8-1 against Light in Ultimate Battle earlier this year so that makes sense.
SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1715 Posts
September 21 2022 17:06 GMT
#46
On September 22 2022 01:42 angry_maia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2022 21:33 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
On September 21 2022 20:58 TMNT wrote:
On September 21 2022 20:41 HOLYBATS wrote:
Hero not known for ZvT ? He did eliminate Light on ASL12.

His ZvT is def weaker than ZvP tho. Currently only 38% vs Rush. 3W 10L record since July.

It's funny that Soulkey and Hero knocked down Bisu and Snow, who are more likely to beat Royal and Rush than themselves.

The original balance theory of Z>>P>T
The reason T does well is because Ps get eliminated by Zs


Slight addendum: Z >> P > T = Z. However Flash >> P, Z, T, which gets conflated into T>Z and T=P.

Can’t argue with that. Imo Flash skews racial stats more than any progamer. That shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, but I’ve looked at numbers and its ridiculous.
iloveby.SlayerS_BunkiE[Shield]
Hitokiri3
Profile Joined October 2018
18 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-21 18:02:47
September 21 2022 17:58 GMT
#47
Snow.... Why doesnt he engage the scourges in Game2? he has enough sairs to one shot those scourges. nor does he go overlord hunting with them during the muta counter.... seems like a throw. he was content to go down to 1 base mining for such a long time. disappointing play.


Hero is a monster
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
September 21 2022 18:03 GMT
#48
On September 21 2022 20:38 Peeano wrote:
Well then. 2 zergs who are not known for their ZvT in the semis up against 2 of the current top 3 Terrans. I wonder who will receive practice help from Light.

Soulkey not known for ZvT?
May the BeSt man win.
plast1c
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany101 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-21 18:08:36
September 21 2022 18:08 GMT
#49
On September 22 2022 02:06 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2022 01:42 angry_maia wrote:
On September 21 2022 21:33 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
On September 21 2022 20:58 TMNT wrote:
On September 21 2022 20:41 HOLYBATS wrote:
Hero not known for ZvT ? He did eliminate Light on ASL12.

His ZvT is def weaker than ZvP tho. Currently only 38% vs Rush. 3W 10L record since July.

It's funny that Soulkey and Hero knocked down Bisu and Snow, who are more likely to beat Royal and Rush than themselves.

The original balance theory of Z>>P>T
The reason T does well is because Ps get eliminated by Zs


Slight addendum: Z >> P > T = Z. However Flash >> P, Z, T, which gets conflated into T>Z and T=P.

Can’t argue with that. Imo Flash skews racial stats more than any progamer. That shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, but I’ve looked at numbers and its ridiculous.



He may have heavily skewed stats but he is just one person, that means playing only a few of all games played. Shouldn't his stats be drowned when considering all games in total?
kinda right, kinda wrong
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4245 Posts
September 21 2022 18:27 GMT
#50
this matchup is beyond silly..

whatever..

a very interesting top 4 field at least. refreshing.
SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1715 Posts
September 21 2022 19:04 GMT
#51
On September 22 2022 03:08 plast1c wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2022 02:06 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
On September 22 2022 01:42 angry_maia wrote:
On September 21 2022 21:33 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
On September 21 2022 20:58 TMNT wrote:
On September 21 2022 20:41 HOLYBATS wrote:
Hero not known for ZvT ? He did eliminate Light on ASL12.

His ZvT is def weaker than ZvP tho. Currently only 38% vs Rush. 3W 10L record since July.

It's funny that Soulkey and Hero knocked down Bisu and Snow, who are more likely to beat Royal and Rush than themselves.

The original balance theory of Z>>P>T
The reason T does well is because Ps get eliminated by Zs


Slight addendum: Z >> P > T = Z. However Flash >> P, Z, T, which gets conflated into T>Z and T=P.

Can’t argue with that. Imo Flash skews racial stats more than any progamer. That shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, but I’ve looked at numbers and its ridiculous.



He may have heavily skewed stats but he is just one person, that means playing only a few of all games played. Shouldn't his stats be drowned when considering all games in total?

No you are right, I should have qualified that its the skew to the number of individual league titles won by a race that Flash has tilted more than any other player. There is simply too many overall games for a single player to impact. But in the mindset of fans, its the championship runs that really stick out and impact our perception of racial balance.
iloveby.SlayerS_BunkiE[Shield]
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
September 21 2022 19:14 GMT
#52
I really thought Snow was winning after he killed a huge flock of muta/scourge for the cost of two HTs and then killed Hero’s fourth... I don’t understand how Hero survived.
May the BeSt man win.
angry_maia
Profile Joined August 2020
327 Posts
September 21 2022 19:27 GMT
#53
On September 22 2022 03:08 plast1c wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2022 02:06 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
On September 22 2022 01:42 angry_maia wrote:
On September 21 2022 21:33 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
On September 21 2022 20:58 TMNT wrote:
On September 21 2022 20:41 HOLYBATS wrote:
Hero not known for ZvT ? He did eliminate Light on ASL12.

His ZvT is def weaker than ZvP tho. Currently only 38% vs Rush. 3W 10L record since July.

It's funny that Soulkey and Hero knocked down Bisu and Snow, who are more likely to beat Royal and Rush than themselves.

The original balance theory of Z>>P>T
The reason T does well is because Ps get eliminated by Zs


Slight addendum: Z >> P > T = Z. However Flash >> P, Z, T, which gets conflated into T>Z and T=P.

Can’t argue with that. Imo Flash skews racial stats more than any progamer. That shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, but I’ve looked at numbers and its ridiculous.



He may have heavily skewed stats but he is just one person, that means playing only a few of all games played. Shouldn't his stats be drowned when considering all games in total?


You're right if we look at all games played, but I'm talking more about perception than raw statistics. People pay way more attention to the results of tournaments than they do total games played on sponbbang, and in tournament play Flash easily skews the "stats."
SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1715 Posts
September 21 2022 19:45 GMT
#54
On September 22 2022 04:27 angry_maia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2022 03:08 plast1c wrote:
On September 22 2022 02:06 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
On September 22 2022 01:42 angry_maia wrote:
On September 21 2022 21:33 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
On September 21 2022 20:58 TMNT wrote:
On September 21 2022 20:41 HOLYBATS wrote:
Hero not known for ZvT ? He did eliminate Light on ASL12.

His ZvT is def weaker than ZvP tho. Currently only 38% vs Rush. 3W 10L record since July.

It's funny that Soulkey and Hero knocked down Bisu and Snow, who are more likely to beat Royal and Rush than themselves.

The original balance theory of Z>>P>T
The reason T does well is because Ps get eliminated by Zs


Slight addendum: Z >> P > T = Z. However Flash >> P, Z, T, which gets conflated into T>Z and T=P.

Can’t argue with that. Imo Flash skews racial stats more than any progamer. That shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, but I’ve looked at numbers and its ridiculous.



He may have heavily skewed stats but he is just one person, that means playing only a few of all games played. Shouldn't his stats be drowned when considering all games in total?


You're right if we look at all games played, but I'm talking more about perception than raw statistics. People pay way more attention to the results of tournaments than they do total games played on sponbbang, and in tournament play Flash easily skews the "stats."

lol you pretty much said the same thing I did
Funny thing is, in the “modern” era of starcraft, T isnt even ahead in gold count, its still Z. My data isnt updated, but at worst lets say its a tie. The only explanation for Tesagi is that Flash’s wins are so dominating that T still comes off as OP.
iloveby.SlayerS_BunkiE[Shield]
Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States368 Posts
September 21 2022 20:16 GMT
#55
that was certainly a sad way for the last toss to go out
Galacsia
Profile Joined February 2020
Chile163 Posts
September 21 2022 22:11 GMT
#56
You guys need to stop hyping Snow up and start respecting Hero a little more, the guy keeps doing well in most ASLs he's been in.
BeSt / Bisu ftw!!
Hitokiri3
Profile Joined October 2018
18 Posts
September 21 2022 22:20 GMT
#57
On September 22 2022 04:45 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2022 04:27 angry_maia wrote:
On September 22 2022 03:08 plast1c wrote:
On September 22 2022 02:06 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
On September 22 2022 01:42 angry_maia wrote:
On September 21 2022 21:33 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
On September 21 2022 20:58 TMNT wrote:
On September 21 2022 20:41 HOLYBATS wrote:
Hero not known for ZvT ? He did eliminate Light on ASL12.

His ZvT is def weaker than ZvP tho. Currently only 38% vs Rush. 3W 10L record since July.

It's funny that Soulkey and Hero knocked down Bisu and Snow, who are more likely to beat Royal and Rush than themselves.

The original balance theory of Z>>P>T
The reason T does well is because Ps get eliminated by Zs


Slight addendum: Z >> P > T = Z. However Flash >> P, Z, T, which gets conflated into T>Z and T=P.

Can’t argue with that. Imo Flash skews racial stats more than any progamer. That shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, but I’ve looked at numbers and its ridiculous.



He may have heavily skewed stats but he is just one person, that means playing only a few of all games played. Shouldn't his stats be drowned when considering all games in total?


You're right if we look at all games played, but I'm talking more about perception than raw statistics. People pay way more attention to the results of tournaments than they do total games played on sponbbang, and in tournament play Flash easily skews the "stats."

lol you pretty much said the same thing I did
Funny thing is, in the “modern” era of starcraft, T isnt even ahead in gold count, its still Z. My data isnt updated, but at worst lets say its a tie. The only explanation for Tesagi is that Flash’s wins are so dominating that T still comes off as OP.


I always knew Z was the best race
moktira *
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Ireland1546 Posts
September 21 2022 23:00 GMT
#58
That was extremely disappointing. I thought Snow could at least take one game and then get screwed by maps. Hero played great but watching PvZ lately is frustrating.
If in doubt, differentiate and set equal to zero
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7847 Posts
September 22 2022 02:27 GMT
#59
Surgical by Hero.
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey770 Posts
September 22 2022 05:54 GMT
#60
ZvZ Finals is coming!
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