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BLinD-RawR
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October 31 2021 09:59 GMT
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8336 Posts
October 31 2021 10:15 GMT
#2
OOOOO!!!! It has started ! Hero is already 1-0 up ! I forgot about this !
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5156 Posts
October 31 2021 10:20 GMT
#3
On October 31 2021 19:15 prosatan wrote:
OOOOO!!!! It has started ! Hero is already 1-0 up ! I forgot about this !

Wtf. I just got online to skip the interviews etc. I guess ASL is in a hurry cuz it's a ZvZ and it's not a finals. lol...
FBH #1!
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8336 Posts
October 31 2021 10:31 GMT
#4
On October 31 2021 19:20 Peeano wrote:
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On October 31 2021 19:15 prosatan wrote:
OOOOO!!!! It has started ! Hero is already 1-0 up ! I forgot about this !

Wtf. I just got online to skip the interviews etc. I guess ASL is in a hurry cuz it's a ZvZ and it's not a finals. lol...

Yesss Peeano ... I thought it will be at 13:00 here in Romania... like always ...
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8336 Posts
October 31 2021 10:36 GMT
#5
A bit of LRing won't hurt anyone so...
3rd game on Polypoid
Hero - bottom right
Queen - top left

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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8336 Posts
October 31 2021 10:38 GMT
#6
hero goes for 9 pool and queen for 12 pool.. a bit of advantage for queen
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5156 Posts
October 31 2021 10:39 GMT
#7
Daylight saving time ended overnight, so that's why it's an hour earlier. Korea doesn't use DST.
FBH #1!
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8336 Posts
October 31 2021 10:39 GMT
#8
hero with 500 apm and nice control of his zerglings... meh...my LB is going down
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5156 Posts
October 31 2021 10:57 GMT
#9
Exciting Game 3. Kinda crazy how you can win with larva and a 600 gas disadvantage. Would have been worth it for hero to build a sunk in the main and/or natural with a ling block on the ramp so he can fully focus on his muta vs muta.
FBH #1!
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8336 Posts
October 31 2021 11:05 GMT
#10
GG!!

Hero with a quick victory in game 4 - leads the match 3-1 ! only one game away from 3rd place , like in the previous ASL !
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8336 Posts
October 31 2021 11:05 GMT
#11
What??! I thought they play BO7....
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8336 Posts
October 31 2021 11:06 GMT
#12
well...this is it 3rd and 4th place exactly like in ASL11 !

GG! Next week we are going to celebrate the FINALS !
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5156 Posts
October 31 2021 11:07 GMT
#13
For a moment that looked to be a very exciting game 4, but Zero basically forgot to build an overlord on time. Talk about anti-climatic :/

Damn, I'm still sad we got a Mini vs hero finals denied by Rush.
FBH #1!
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4127 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-10-31 13:07:51
October 31 2021 13:03 GMT
#14
On October 31 2021 20:07 Peeano wrote:
For a moment that looked to be a very exciting game 4, but Zero basically forgot to build an overlord on time. Talk about anti-climatic :/

Damn, I'm still sad we got a Mini vs hero finals denied by Rush.

Why? We got a good PvZ series, we got a pretty good TvZ series and now most likely we'll get a good PvT series
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5156 Posts
October 31 2021 15:25 GMT
#15
On October 31 2021 22:03 M2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2021 20:07 Peeano wrote:
For a moment that looked to be a very exciting game 4, but Zero basically forgot to build an overlord on time. Talk about anti-climatic :/

Damn, I'm still sad we got a Mini vs hero finals denied by Rush.

Why? We got a good PvZ series, we got a pretty good TvZ series and now most likely we'll get a good PvT series

Because judging on past achievements both Mini and hero deserve a chance for the ASL title more than Rush.
And PvZ are both Min's and hero's best match up. It should be guaranteed fireworks.

Now if Mini can deliver this may be a good finals, but I'm afraid Rush is in such good form Mini will have very little chance to win this finals. Mini has been dodging PvT since ASL 11 and it is his worst match up by far. I just don't see him winning this one. I'd give him a 10~20% chance at most. Where as Mini vs hero is much more 50-50. Much more exciting imho.
Rush can always win next ASL vs Larva or Snow. That should give Rush much more praise than roflstomping Mini for his first gold. That said IF Mini can deliver the ASL 12 title can still hold good value for whoever wins this finals, but Mini has been notoriously bad at PvT like Light had been comically bad at TvP for almost all of his career.
FBH #1!
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
October 31 2021 16:38 GMT
#16
Am I the only one who does no longer see the ASL events under "upcoming events" on tl? ;/
hatred outlives the hateful
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50466 Posts
November 01 2021 02:06 GMT
#17
On November 01 2021 01:38 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
Am I the only one who does no longer see the ASL events under "upcoming events" on tl? ;/


unsurprising, considering theres just one more.
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ruhtraeel
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada122 Posts
November 01 2021 02:37 GMT
#18
On October 31 2021 19:39 prosatan wrote:
hero with 500 apm and nice control of his zerglings... meh...my LB is going down


Hero tends to have super high apm in the early game, then falls off more than most Zergs in the mid-late game, down to below 300.

Effort and Hyuk are two players who maintain 400 almost always
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
November 01 2021 11:03 GMT
#19
On November 01 2021 11:37 ruhtraeel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2021 19:39 prosatan wrote:
hero with 500 apm and nice control of his zerglings... meh...my LB is going down


Hero tends to have super high apm in the early game, then falls off more than most Zergs in the mid-late game, down to below 300.

Effort and Hyuk are two players who maintain 400 almost always


Brain > APM. Don't even bring up HyuK, you know how his games always end.

Same dejavu results for ZerO just like previous season. I don't even know, it's not like ZerO played bad but he wasn't prepared for shenanigans of Mini. ZerO needs more than that if he wants to advance further.
sunbeams are never made like me...
J. Corsair
Profile Joined June 2014
United States470 Posts
November 01 2021 17:52 GMT
#20
On November 01 2021 00:25 Peeano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2021 22:03 M2 wrote:
On October 31 2021 20:07 Peeano wrote:
For a moment that looked to be a very exciting game 4, but Zero basically forgot to build an overlord on time. Talk about anti-climatic :/

Damn, I'm still sad we got a Mini vs hero finals denied by Rush.

Why? We got a good PvZ series, we got a pretty good TvZ series and now most likely we'll get a good PvT series

Because judging on past achievements both Mini and hero deserve a chance for the ASL title more than Rush.
And PvZ are both Min's and hero's best match up. It should be guaranteed fireworks.

Now if Mini can deliver this may be a good finals, but I'm afraid Rush is in such good form Mini will have very little chance to win this finals. Mini has been dodging PvT since ASL 11 and it is his worst match up by far. I just don't see him winning this one. I'd give him a 10~20% chance at most. Where as Mini vs hero is much more 50-50. Much more exciting imho.
Rush can always win next ASL vs Larva or Snow. That should give Rush much more praise than roflstomping Mini for his first gold. That said IF Mini can deliver the ASL 12 title can still hold good value for whoever wins this finals, but Mini has been notoriously bad at PvT like Light had been comically bad at TvP for almost all of his career.

So Rush is in excellent form, appearing stronger than Mini and beating hero... But doesn't deserve to win a title? Based on 'past achievements'?

Confusing. Rush deserves a chance to win a title based on 'past achievements' like winning his ro8 and ro4 matches... Right?

I get you want a close finals, but saying Rush doesn't deserve a title is without merit
“...it is human nature, I suppose, to be futile and ridiculous.” - Scaramouche
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2904 Posts
November 01 2021 18:56 GMT
#21
On November 02 2021 02:52 J. Corsair wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2021 00:25 Peeano wrote:
On October 31 2021 22:03 M2 wrote:
On October 31 2021 20:07 Peeano wrote:
For a moment that looked to be a very exciting game 4, but Zero basically forgot to build an overlord on time. Talk about anti-climatic :/

Damn, I'm still sad we got a Mini vs hero finals denied by Rush.

Why? We got a good PvZ series, we got a pretty good TvZ series and now most likely we'll get a good PvT series

Because judging on past achievements both Mini and hero deserve a chance for the ASL title more than Rush.
And PvZ are both Min's and hero's best match up. It should be guaranteed fireworks.

Now if Mini can deliver this may be a good finals, but I'm afraid Rush is in such good form Mini will have very little chance to win this finals. Mini has been dodging PvT since ASL 11 and it is his worst match up by far. I just don't see him winning this one. I'd give him a 10~20% chance at most. Where as Mini vs hero is much more 50-50. Much more exciting imho.
Rush can always win next ASL vs Larva or Snow. That should give Rush much more praise than roflstomping Mini for his first gold. That said IF Mini can deliver the ASL 12 title can still hold good value for whoever wins this finals, but Mini has been notoriously bad at PvT like Light had been comically bad at TvP for almost all of his career.

So Rush is in excellent form, appearing stronger than Mini and beating hero... But doesn't deserve to win a title? Based on 'past achievements'?

Confusing. Rush deserves a chance to win a title based on 'past achievements' like winning his ro8 and ro4 matches... Right?

I get you want a close finals, but saying Rush doesn't deserve a title is without merit

First of all, he said Mini and Hero deserve MORE, not Rush doesn't deserve a title.

Secondly, I share the same sentiment with him as well. Here's how:

Clearly "past achievements" refers to past seasons. If winning R8 & R4 of the current season is the merit being discussed, then clearly both players appearing in the same game deserve the same chance. In that regard, Mini and Hero were both finalists or R4 players before, multiple times. While this is the first time ever that Rush enters the R4. Even among the Terrans, Light deserves a title more than him.

If Rush wins this ASL, it's more a case of him hitting form and getting a favorable bracket than being the champion caliber player.

Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5156 Posts
November 01 2021 19:36 GMT
#22
On November 02 2021 02:52 J. Corsair wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2021 00:25 Peeano wrote:
On October 31 2021 22:03 M2 wrote:
On October 31 2021 20:07 Peeano wrote:
For a moment that looked to be a very exciting game 4, but Zero basically forgot to build an overlord on time. Talk about anti-climatic :/

Damn, I'm still sad we got a Mini vs hero finals denied by Rush.

Why? We got a good PvZ series, we got a pretty good TvZ series and now most likely we'll get a good PvT series

Because judging on past achievements both Mini and hero deserve a chance for the ASL title more than Rush.
And PvZ are both Min's and hero's best match up. It should be guaranteed fireworks.

Now if Mini can deliver this may be a good finals, but I'm afraid Rush is in such good form Mini will have very little chance to win this finals. Mini has been dodging PvT since ASL 11 and it is his worst match up by far. I just don't see him winning this one. I'd give him a 10~20% chance at most. Where as Mini vs hero is much more 50-50. Much more exciting imho.
Rush can always win next ASL vs Larva or Snow. That should give Rush much more praise than roflstomping Mini for his first gold. That said IF Mini can deliver the ASL 12 title can still hold good value for whoever wins this finals, but Mini has been notoriously bad at PvT like Light had been comically bad at TvP for almost all of his career.

So Rush is in excellent form, appearing stronger than Mini and beating hero... But doesn't deserve to win a title? Based on 'past achievements'?

Confusing. Rush deserves a chance to win a title based on 'past achievements' like winning his ro8 and ro4 matches... Right?

I get you want a close finals, but saying Rush doesn't deserve a title is without merit

I never said Rush doesn't deserve a title. He definitely deserves it based on this ASL season, but it's not what I'm talking about in my post...

If you have followed the BW scene (or if you simply check liquipedia) you'll know Mini and Hero haven't won any ASL or KSL gold before while both coming very close on several instances. You can't say the same about Rush.

Also Mini and Hero have provided us much more tournament entertainment (even during the Kespa era) over the years than Rush. Also for Rush's own story beating Mini for ASL gold is something that can easily be overlooked, despite him having excellent form as of late. I want the best of both worlds, not just a Mini vs Hero finals.
FBH #1!
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1079 Posts
November 02 2021 11:25 GMT
#23
For me, Rush deserves it more than Mini. The effort, the practice from Rush is a beautiful story. He climbed the mountain through every ASL seasons to finally reach the top.

And he is playing like a machine. Flawless. I love Mini , but i cannot root against Rush. This finals will be awesome either way!
ajmbek
Profile Joined November 2008
Italy460 Posts
November 02 2021 13:18 GMT
#24
Go Mini
Sic iter ad astra
angry_maia
Profile Joined August 2020
320 Posts
November 02 2021 21:02 GMT
#25
Rooting for mini, but does anyone honestly favor him? Anything can happen in a crazy game, but I trust Rush to convert positions where he has an advantage and do not trust the same for mini.
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey741 Posts
November 03 2021 10:47 GMT
#26
On November 03 2021 06:02 angry_maia wrote:
Rooting for mini, but does anyone honestly favor him? Anything can happen in a crazy game, but I trust Rush to convert positions where he has an advantage and do not trust the same for mini.


He was not favorite against Royal too.
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6179 Posts
November 06 2021 02:43 GMT
#27
On November 02 2021 20:25 TornadoSteve wrote:
For me, Rush deserves it more than Mini. The effort, the practice from Rush is a beautiful story. He climbed the mountain through every ASL seasons to finally reach the top.

And he is playing like a machine. Flawless. I love Mini , but i cannot root against Rush. This finals will be awesome either way!

Both have been grinding recently, and both are pros for long time. Nice to see Rush reaching the finals as well. But go Mini!
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