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Silverflame
United States428 Posts
Anytime also beat Stork on Monty the last time they met, so we might see the same matchup on that map again. Firebathero v. Jaedong would be the most interesting potential matchup by far, but the only real way I can see that happening is if Samsung sends out Frozean on Geometry (vs ForGG) and FBH on Peaks (vs Jaedong). Too much of a risk, I think. All in all, I'm pretty sure we'll mostly get mirrors. | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
That said, I think the line up Haji presented is best cept I believe Jju will be sent out on Peaks. Why would you ever use Zergman instead of Jju? | ||
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oshibori_probe
United States2936 Posts
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
On July 28 2007 20:39 SuperJongMan wrote: Rumor's of Stork being weak PvZ is a misconception. That said, I think the line up Haji presented is best cept I believe Jju will be sent out on Peaks. Why would you ever use Zergman instead of Jju? http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/59-games-vs-Z -thx to the awesome progaming database | ||
thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
On July 29 2007 01:10 kNyTTyM wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/59-games-vs-Z -thx to the awesome progaming database you MUST take into consideration the fact that he was slumping like a hunchback during the year of 2006. He even admitted so himself remember? Look at his results from 2007 only, and they sing a much better tune for stork and his pvz abilities when he is on-form, which is clearly is right now. + Show Spoiler + + 07-07-17 ShinHan ProLeague R1 Sin Peaks of Bae.. Zby.hero Win + 07-06-07 GOMTV MSL S2 Loki ZsAviOr Loss + 07-06-02 GOMTV MSL S2 Desperado ZsAviOr Loss + 07-05-27 ShinHan ProLeague R1 Python ZLuxury Win + 07-05-11 Daum OSL Monty Hall ZGGPlay Loss + 07-04-28 ShinHan ProLeague R1 Python ZJaedong Win + 07-04-20 ODT2007-1 Neo Arkanoid ZGGPlay Loss + 07-04-19 MBC Survivor 11th BlitzX ZNal_keke Win + 07-04-12 ODT2007-1 Neo Arkanoid Z815 Win + 07-04-12 ODT2007-1 Hitchhiker Z815 Win + 07-03-09 2007 2nd KeSPA Cup Arcadia 2 ZYellOw[ArnC] Win 7-4, which aint so shabby. who are his losses against? GGplay, GGplay, Savior, Savior. Who can really blame him? +__+ He's won against the likes of Luxury (okay, weak vsP), Jaedong (okay, weak again), Keke (who is always a threat), 815 (a zvp specialist), and Yarnc (weak zvp again i guess). Even though the "big name" zergs he's beaten are known to have a relatively weak zvp, they are by no means a Orion or a Odin or a Child -__-;; | ||
GTR
51607 Posts
2nd Set - FireBatHero(T) < Geometry > fOrGG(T) 3rd Set - JiHyun/Cuteboy(Z/T) < Vampire > Dongrae/ShinHwA(T/Z) 4th Set - Stork(P) < Monty Hall > Anytime(P) 5th Set - Freedom(T) < Sin Peaks of Baekdu > Jaedong(Z) 6th Set - TT/Sigamari(P/Z) < Chariots of Fire > Bright/Ever(Z/P) 7th Set - Ace Match < Tau Cross > OK, one bet i would like to do, Freedom is going to get slaughtered by jaedong. | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
On July 29 2007 01:40 thedeadhaji wrote: you MUST take into consideration the fact that he was slumping like a hunchback during the year of 2006. He even admitted so himself remember? Look at his results from 2007 only, and they sing a much better tune for stork and his pvz abilities when he is on-form, which is clearly is right now. + Show Spoiler + + 07-07-17 ShinHan ProLeague R1 Sin Peaks of Bae.. Zby.hero Win + 07-06-07 GOMTV MSL S2 Loki ZsAviOr Loss + 07-06-02 GOMTV MSL S2 Desperado ZsAviOr Loss + 07-05-27 ShinHan ProLeague R1 Python ZLuxury Win + 07-05-11 Daum OSL Monty Hall ZGGPlay Loss + 07-04-28 ShinHan ProLeague R1 Python ZJaedong Win + 07-04-20 ODT2007-1 Neo Arkanoid ZGGPlay Loss + 07-04-19 MBC Survivor 11th BlitzX ZNal_keke Win + 07-04-12 ODT2007-1 Neo Arkanoid Z815 Win + 07-04-12 ODT2007-1 Hitchhiker Z815 Win + 07-03-09 2007 2nd KeSPA Cup Arcadia 2 ZYellOw[ArnC] Win 7-4, which aint so shabby. who are his losses against? GGplay, GGplay, Savior, Savior. Who can really blame him? +__+ He's won against the likes of Luxury (okay, weak vsP), Jaedong (okay, weak again), Keke (who is always a threat), 815 (a zvp specialist), and Yarnc (weak zvp again i guess). Even though the "big name" zergs he's beaten are known to have a relatively weak zvp, they are by no means a Orion or a Odin or a Child -__-;; HEY ORIONS COOL lolol :D | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On July 30 2007 02:02 GTR-2-Go wrote: Just because you didn't make clear: this is the official line-up that has been released now, it's not GTR-2-Go's guess 1st Set - Jangbi(P) < Nemesis > BackHo(P) 2nd Set - FireBatHero(T) < Geometry > fOrGG(T) 3rd Set - JiHyun/Cuteboy(Z/T) < Vampire > Dongrae/ShinHwA(T/Z) 4th Set - Stork(P) < Monty Hall > Anytime(P) 5th Set - Freedom(T) < Sin Peaks of Baekdu > Jaedong(Z) 6th Set - TT/Sigamari(P/Z) < Chariots of Fire > Bright/Ever(Z/P) 7th Set - Ace Match < Tau Cross > OK, one bet i would like to do, Freedom is going to get slaughtered by jaedong.  | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
On July 29 2007 01:10 kNyTTyM wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/59-games-vs-Z -thx to the awesome progaming database Do two year old games really still matter? Try looking at 2007 and you notice he is 63%. While he lost to Savior and GGplay (if these two are the standard for being a weak pvz or not, I guess no one has a good PvZ cept 1 or 2 players) he's beaten everyone else and you can say they are scrubby or not but the fact remains, He won most of his PvZ this year. Stork can definately play against any Lecaf member and score a win. Anytime would pose the greatest threat to shutting down Stork. That would really be a match. | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4167 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36400 Posts
but whatever, its PROLEAGUE FINALS | ||
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HaXxorIzed
Australia8434 Posts
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azndsh
United States4447 Posts
FireBatHero(T) > fOrGG(T) JiHyun/Cuteboy(Z/T) < Dongrae/ShinHwA(T/Z) Stork(P) < Anytime(P) Freedom(T) < Jaedong(Z) TT/Sigamari(P/Z) > Bright/Ever(Z/P) Not going to try to predict Ace match | ||
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Shauni
4077 Posts
On July 28 2007 09:09 Carnac wrote: and what P out of samsung's lineup would that be? because stork is a must on monty/nemesis (rather monty though) and the other are... not really good I think TT would dismantle Jaedong quite easily | ||
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Locked
United States4182 Posts
standard 2v2 sets and TvT @ geometry, but then lecaf shuffled anytime from nemesis to monty to take on stork (who was favored to be on monty) samsung still trusts jangbi's PvP abilities so i guess lecaf figures backho is still favored against jangbi but they also want a chance to take down stork with anytime (backho probably wouldn't have been able to beat stork) if it reaches ace on tau.... should be interesting jaedong/anytime/forGG vs stork/FBH? | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
But he'll still lose straight up. | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
On July 30 2007 06:12 Shauni wrote: ,I think TT would dismantle Jaedong quite easily Lol, Jaedong's technique alone is >>>> TT. Plus who would they use for 2v2 without TT there. If the game goes to ace, I am so sure it'll be Stork vs Anytime. | ||
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2325 Posts
BackHo and ForGG weren't favorites to win by no means. AnyTime, Jaedong, and their 2v2 teams were expected to win. So, if BackHo and ForGG won a game through luck, then AnyTime or Jaedong were the last singles players expected to seal the win. I think they were afraid of putting Anytime or Jaedong out in the beginning and having them lose. If those ace players lose early on, then team morale is low and the other players probably won't play well. If you put mediocre players in the beginning, then it is more safe. If they lose, they were expected to lose. If they win, it's a huge upset and raises team morale. I liked that lineup. I think they should use a similar one. | ||
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2325 Posts
On July 30 2007 03:32 Carnac wrote: Just because you didn't make clear: this is the official line-up that has been released now, it's not GTR-2-Go's guess Ah, yes. Lecaf lineup is similar to their first lineup. If Backho and ForGG get lucky, then AnyTime and Jaedong are there to seal the win. (not that it's that easy) | ||
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