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On March 25 2021 00:41 iCCup.Face wrote:@eNjOy.-Raizen Maps are not ready yet. @Ollin The reason was written at discord, just scroll up and read. + Show Spoiler +I don't accept the gratuit disrespect from people, not provoked or anything, moreover from those who know me since 15 years.
I invest a lot of work and time here and I'm not interested to work for those guys. In the specific case Marwin was warned to stop his disrespectful behavior against me as person the 1st of March via PM by me and via his team leader iRk-Agge, penalty the temp ban from the league, the 21 of March, 20 days later of non-stop harassment the penalty was given. I've also said this has nothing concerning any BM (understood as words offense) and even if he did, I've never banned anyone while BM me as player in 12 years, again just read #squad leader. So please don't add fake news or add troll/flame as I see many iRk members doing at discord. On side note I want to say it's 2+ years, me as player, to avoid bad situations, don't join into Marwin/Madinho created lobby, so take your considerations on what's been said or told lately. I'm not going to reply in general chats where everyone can comes and troll, so don't expect me to reply at anything else in public channels.
Nobody is questioning the work you do, and everyone appriciate the work you do. But 2x2 community on iCCup + Remaster is mostly the same people and everyone talking trash. That you host 2x2 Gosu games and ban everyone you dont like or are better than you, thats are your problem. Marwin + Me just doing the same against you.
On March 25 2021 05:00 quakquak wrote:
Would u kindly post screenshots of this disrespectful behavior against your person Face?
Yeah, where are screenshots, Twitch VODs, replays? This is your word against his.
To put this in perspective:
If I called ZZZero a noob in game, and he decides to ban me from BSL...
Marwins "bm" is not BWCL related.
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With all the respect for your work that you put into this league Face, but.. You? The guy who even for me, kind of a new player, is one of the first person to name for being BM is calling out other people for being BM? Destructive? What level of hypocrisy it is?
2years of being careful with you being BM? This is such a lie but I don't even want to comment cuz when I joined ladder and met you there you insta bmed me in-game just for playing bad. And it wasn't even 1year+.
Stop this absurd and come down on the earth man, please. As I've mentioned on discord where you are accusing me of making fake news - there is nothing wrong in admitting you made a wrong decision and to change it.
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well this is awkard..
How come there is no one moderating iccup.face? Hope league supporters or sponsors get notice of this kind of behavior cause its really embarrasing.
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On March 25 2021 13:16 quakquak wrote:
well this is awkard..
How come there is no one moderating iccup.face? Hope league supporters or sponsors get notice of this kind of behavior cause its really embarrasing.
I'm both the initiator of the league and have been a former sponsor of the events. To me this seems like the standard kindergarten drama that comes up every now and then. If you have energy to spend on such a minor debate, I'll respect that. Please respect not everyone does, too. No need to escalate this further and further.
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On March 26 2021 03:38 GeckoXp wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2021 13:16 quakquak wrote:
well this is awkard..
How come there is no one moderating iccup.face? Hope league supporters or sponsors get notice of this kind of behavior cause its really embarrasing.
I'm both the initiator of the league and have been a former sponsor of the events. To me this seems like the standard kindergarten drama that comes up every now and then. If you have energy to spend on such a minor debate, I'll respect that. Please respect not everyone does, too. No need to escalate this further and further.
Not escalating, we simply want Face to provide proof of this harassement he says. How can we complain on a ban if Roia is judge, jury and executioner..?
Prove that he bm/harassed, and we will let it go.
Simple.
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On March 26 2021 03:38 GeckoXp wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2021 13:16 quakquak wrote:
well this is awkard..
How come there is no one moderating iccup.face? Hope league supporters or sponsors get notice of this kind of behavior cause its really embarrasing.
I'm both the initiator of the league and have been a former sponsor of the events. To me this seems like the standard kindergarten drama that comes up every now and then. If you have energy to spend on such a minor debate, I'll respect that. Please respect not everyone does, too. No need to escalate this further and further.
Good evening Gecko.
Let me disagree with you. This is not a minor thing since banning and claiming that a player has been harassing him for over 1 month is pretty serious to us.
We are asking for proof and silence only grew heavier. How can it be that an event like this isn't transparent?
We would be able to talk it out. Roia only remains in silence and he is refusing to answer any question without backing anything that happen.
Don't you think it would be easier to just reply msgs and explain with proof? The whole deal would have ended days ago.
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Please forgive me for intruding. But I would like to offer to donate to BWCL and/or a charity to resolve this matter in a manner that respects and satisfies all parties concerned. This olive branch of sorts would be in the name of the oldest foreign clan league everybody loves, especially at this unfortunate time in history where we have enough negative energy to deal with. I hope there's still a small chance for understanding, forgiveness and progress to prevail. Thank you for your attention <3
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is not about that.
Like Mad said: We just need Face to provide proof of his claims and this is all over.
Is he above all and he cant be questioned?
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On March 26 2021 05:10 ox.tQ wrote:
Please forgive me for intruding. But I would like to offer to donate to BWCL and/or a charity to resolve this matter in a manner that respects and satisfies all parties concerned. This olive branch of sorts would be in the name of the oldest foreign clan league everybody loves, especially at this unfortunate time in history where we have enough negative energy to deal with. I hope there's still a small chance for understanding, forgiveness and progress to prevail. Thank you for your attention <3
It's cool that you want to donate it and if you want - go ahead! The whole league will be thankful to you! Just don't mix it with this case cuz it's totally not about money :D we don't play in this league for money so you totally miss the point. It won't solve anything.
We just want the truth to come out and that's it. Face is just ignoring us like it didn't happened, so it's making us concerned even more about what exactly happened. And that's it. If it was something more than regular BM then it's even on our side to deal with our teammate for the future.
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To me this seems like the standard kindergarten drama that comes up every now and then.
Except we are not in kindergarten and actions have consequences.
Roia crossed the line and bmed me hard in game, which I never allowed myself towards him. Since then I don't want him to be in the games I play (which clearly was explained to him several times). Now he feels offended, plays innocent victim and abuses his power of admin to ban me.
Conclusions:
- I want to agree with the Eonzerg's and Agge's opinion that this case has nothing to do with bwcl itself.
- What Roia considers to be disrespectful behavior and non-stop harassment is that I ban him from my games, if I'm not the host I'll just leave the games unless the host kicks him. I have never harassed him, or been disrespectful towards his work with BWCL. I simply don't want to play with him.
- I'm ready to spend an hour or so to find the replay - evidence of Roia's bm and why this situation appeared in the first place.
I don't participate in BWCL for money (since there's not any prizepool) or for personal glory. I do it to support my friends and my team.
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https://imgshare.io/image/rulesbwcl.pRUYm4
(the link thing didn't work) - Picture is Rules for BWCL 53.
Want to state that it says BWCL Season 53 Rules and NOT Roias/Faces public games.
Again, why can't you just post proof, Face? You said you wont replay in public chats and DM/PMs, but you could at least post the proof here, in public, for the world to see 
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On March 26 2021 18:35 marwin wrote:
Roia crossed the line and bmed me hard in game
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- I'm ready to spend an hour or so to find the replay - evidence of Roia's bm and why this situation appeared in the first place.
Being said this is a real kindergarten, from both sides I believe.
Marwin, you are a name in a very short list of 2v2ers I've never ever "bmed hard" in my life, I challenge you to post any evidence SS, REP,VOD or anything else, showing I do offend you.
And it is sad for me to see a player that I did respect much more than others, comes to lie like this.
We were playing together ZT vs ZT and you missed build order, timing and control of golli in mid, splitting them between left side and middle of center, I told you that you played bad failing bo etc and you denied.
The game after we mixed teams wanted to play vs you and again you went same build with less vult less golli and you got destroyed by us, I said "out noob!" and you got mad talking about you are forever banned from my games etc.
Now every time I'm playing or obbing and you come, or I join a a lobby created by others, you pretend the host to ban me or you don't play, a couple of times he did ignore you starting the game and you leaved.
You can do whatever you want in your games, but forcing people I play daily to ban me, even from obs slot, just because of your personal issues isn't an harassment? Juts create your lobby and call your friends! No, you have to join to say ban him or I don't play.
This happened also while I was using my admin account to ob games, which means it's a disrespect against the person, not the player.
And I don't want and I will not! invest my time and work for people who disrespect me as person. You and your leader were warned about this well in advance. The ban is a consequence of your behavior.
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So wait a tournament admin banned a player because that player didn’t want to play with them in 2v2? It’s really pathetic how people let a little power go to their head. Talking about kindergarten is very apt, this is a real “I’ll take my ball and go home” moment. Pathetic.
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This is increíble. Not only face dont provide proof but he shows everyone how personal and emotional his decisión is.
Just sad for an admin how he can put his personal interest above ervything else.
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On March 27 2021 03:10 quakquak wrote:
This is increíble. Not only face dont provide proof but he shows everyone how personal and emotional his decisión is.
Just sad for an admin how he can put his personal interest above ervything else.
This looks like real abuse of power, if I've ever seen it.
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Man, just see how it look like. You are really making it so personal that everyone will laugh at you, just stop this nonsense and everything will be ok.
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That's why i don't play 2v2s...
And don't want to participate in bwcl.
STPL is way more chill and well organized. BWCL a shit fest right now.
Nowadays we play for fun and such admin behavior is making it hard to enjoy the game that we all love.
Big kudos to face for all the deeds he has done but this is childish and i'd lie if i say i didn't see what is coming from miles and seasons ago.
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EPT
