EPTKCM has started again, every wednesday 19 kst. Format is same as before. It seems, that they are going to do reruns on youtube
https://youtube.com/c/KCMTV
KCM 2021 season 1
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whaski
Finland577 Posts
KCM has started again, every wednesday 19 kst. Format is same as before. It seems, that they are going to do reruns on youtube https://youtube.com/c/KCMTV | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4227 Posts
thanks for the info | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
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2BearqLoza
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4227 Posts
On February 18 2021 19:14 PVJ wrote: Python is great KCM is great Challenger and Survival are both great weekly BW is great. I might be too easy to please? Well at least it's not FS/CB..  | ||
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LUCKY_NOOB
Bulgaria1498 Posts
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structuralinertia
Australia1426 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/nAkdo5p.jpg) | ||
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masoka82
Spain594 Posts
But if all the stars play !! | ||
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ggsimida
1148 Posts
valkyrie patrol micro into shooting an overlord | ||
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Samsakzerg
61 Posts
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structuralinertia
Australia1426 Posts
Zero v Best to start. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/b1Ox1D4.jpg) | ||
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structuralinertia
Australia1426 Posts
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oEkY
Germany649 Posts
Edit: The 2nd Match was played on Ascension btw. Winner of Game 1 vs Hero | ||
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oxKnu
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prosatan
Romania8495 Posts
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ggsimida
1148 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8495 Posts
Soulkey is killing it ! Defeats JyJ is a fast and intense game! 3 kills 'till now | ||
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prosatan
Romania8495 Posts
On March 31 2021 20:17 ggsimida wrote: sk on a roll again? Spoiler ggsimida  | ||
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oxKnu
1240 Posts
Huh? This is a tournament thread.  | ||
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prosatan
Romania8495 Posts
yes agree sorry !  !!!! | ||
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prosatan
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prosatan
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oxKnu
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prosatan
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oxKnu
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On March 31 2021 20:50 prosatan wrote: Amazing games ! Dare to say better than those on Group B of ASL KCM is always better than ASL. Maybe except a day every now and again. | ||
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ggsimida
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meh | ||
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prosatan
Romania8495 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8495 Posts
Now larva is way ahead ! | ||
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prosatan
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prosatan
Romania8495 Posts
I go with Larva this game... makes me wonder...can we have LB on KCM ? | ||
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oxKnu
1240 Posts
Man Protoss is so weak lol | ||
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oEkY
Germany649 Posts
On March 31 2021 21:30 prosatan wrote: I don't know who played in the first match.. SK vs which terran player ? Rush... really cool game, u should rewatch it if u missed it | ||
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prosatan
Romania8495 Posts
On March 31 2021 21:49 oEkY wrote: Rush... really cool game, u should rewatch it if u missed it Thank youu ! | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
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prosatan
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M2
Bulgaria4131 Posts
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4227 Posts
On April 15 2021 07:05 M2 wrote: Today was the semi final - PvT. Most of the games were pretty nice actually https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4nYCo3LgZA very nice indeed.. GGs | ||
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oEkY
Germany649 Posts
non-stop action and even a Scout killing Guardians :D | ||
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jtkirk
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On April 21 2021 20:44 oEkY wrote: WOW, game 3 of the finals today is a MUST watch, best game ive seen in a very long time I agree! I only watched few moments, as much as my work allowed me. But I will definitely re-watch this again. | ||
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oxKnu
1240 Posts
So many game-flow decisions that both players had to take. Pretty impressive. | ||
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Zergxhx
China185 Posts
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TMNT
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Rainalcar
Croatia422 Posts
Correct me if I am wrong: KCM Race wins: 8T 7Z and... 1P | ||
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TMNT
3085 Posts
On April 21 2021 21:55 Rainalcar wrote: What else is new? Correct me if I am wrong: KCM Race wins: 8T 7Z and... 1P Yeah and that only P win came from the season when they finished third during the tour period and just happened to have Best and Shuttle switching on their god mode in the semi and final. In fact I believe P finished third during the tour period in most, if not all, of the recent KCMs. | ||
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weiliem
2071 Posts
On April 21 2021 20:46 jtkirk wrote: I agree! I only watched few moments, as much as my work allowed me. But I will definitely re-watch this again. Any clue where we can watch this? | ||
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Aeternum
Latvia35 Posts
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Rainalcar
Croatia422 Posts
On April 21 2021 22:04 TMNT wrote: Yeah and that only P win came from the season when they finished third during the tour period and just happened to have Best and Shuttle switching on their god mode in the semi and final. In fact I believe P finished third during the tour period in most, if not all, of the recent KCMs. There really is nothing to say. But yes, let's leave it solely to the maps with regard to balance. That worked out really well. | ||
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prosatan
Romania8495 Posts
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TMNT
3085 Posts
On April 22 2021 03:20 Rainalcar wrote: There really is nothing to say. But yes, let's leave it solely to the maps with regard to balance. That worked out really well. Actually I think there's another reason that explains the poor performance of Protoss in KCM. The format is if you win against T your next match is Z and then T and then Z... and because there's no Protoss who's good at both PvT and PvZ, they are less likely to have a winning streak compared to the other races, so they always ended up finishing third. | ||
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On April 22 2021 06:57 TMNT wrote: Actually I think there's another reason that explains the poor performance of Protoss in KCM. The format is if you win against T your next match is Z and then T and then Z... and because there's no Protoss who's good at both PvT and PvZ, they are less likely to have a winning streak compared to the other races, so they always ended up finishing third. That's a great post. Can you imagine if Bisu was as good vs T as he was vs Z? | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
How many Protoss players even have >50% PvZ in the KCM league? Edit: Game 3 of finals... unbelievable! | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4227 Posts
game 3 might be GOTY, btw.. Complete insanity! wow | ||
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Rainalcar
Croatia422 Posts
On April 22 2021 13:25 Djabanete wrote: > and because there's no Protoss who's good at both PvT and PvZ How many Protoss players even have >50% PvZ in the KCM league? Edit: Game 3 of finals... unbelievable! Exactly. Long term, a dominant PvZ player does not exist. Bisu's prowess vs Z is from a bygone era almost, and it is, in case, completely incomparable to relatively far superior results of best Zergs vP. And yes, game 3 was amazing. | ||
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Avi-Love
Denmark423 Posts
This year in spon games, Bisu has a better PvZ win rate than any zerg has in ZvP. In fact, Bisu has been doing so well in pvz that he has a winning record against every single zerg player in the scene. 14-4 vs Soulkey, 33-29 vs Soma, 47-31 vs Larva, 34-21 vs Hero, 33-8 vs Effort, 12-8 vs Zero, 39-21 vs Action. He also has a winning record against all terrans except for Flash (2-5) and Light (14-21). Now look at Bisu's performance in events, he actually hasn't done particularly well, he crashed and burned last ASL losing to two comparatively bad terran players. In my opinion, Bisu's issues appear to not be race or balance related, but rather mental. So why has protoss performed below par in KCM? I won't presume to know the answer, but there are many avenues one could persue. I think the main issue is the lack of a consistent 3rd/4th protoss. Bisu and Best tend to do okay, and then the last slot rotated between Mini Shuttle Snow and Stork through the regular season, and they did not really perform well. Shuttle being their 4th spot in the playoffs is quite telling, he's not even a top 20 player in sponbbang, regardless of how well he performed in the finals. But really, I think it's absolutely silly to start whining about balance when we have such a close final, and pvz stats on spon are the best they've been in a very long time. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13294 Posts
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RowdierBob
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oxKnu
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Protoss is vulnerable against Zerg in a Bo1, almost irrespective of overall skill. For example: if the 10th best Zerg was dropped into playing against any of the Top3 Protosses he could choose from a variety of all-ins to get a win just to kill that top player that would otherwise have a decent showing in a different format. So Zerg has way more room to plan one of these series depending on the lineup of players. Terran on the other hand has way more stability against any of the other races so it's easier for them to be very consistent in this league format. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
First was when Bisu attacked the bottom left base with five slow zealots, saw one sunken and decided to go in. Zero pulled off a very successful drone drill that made the zealots look completely inferior. It seemed to me like he had figured out a strong configuration in which he could entrap the zealots and crush them seemingly with ease, and I strongly doubt Bisu expected it to be that powerful. After that failed attack Zero didn't rebuild the sunken because he figured the expansion looked safe enough. Later Bisu tried to sneak a DT into the main base. Again Zero pulled off an incredible drone drill that completely disabled the DT. Bisu just barely couldn't make it escape that trap and it was killed off before it could do any sort of damage. After those two failed attempts Zero figured he was so much ahead in supply that he should pump out a lot of hydras and go for a killing blow. At that point it didn't look like Bisu stood a realistic chance anymore. He hunted down overlords with sairs and also tried to kill the remaining one at his natural to save the game with a lone DT, but Zero's forces were too overwhelming. This didn't look like a game that Bisu lost unavoidably. It was a game that Zero won with very precise play. He was very well prepared for everything that Bisu threw at him. Bisu didn't have an answer to it and he didn't get lucky when it mattered the most (talking about the second drone drill disabling his DT). Had Zero been only slightly less well prepared or if his reaction time was only slightly off, he could've lost this game. What people often fail to realize is that, at the top level, the difference between a win and a loss is sometimes a split second reaction or a detail in the preparation. | ||
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TMNT
3085 Posts
On April 22 2021 20:24 Avi-Love wrote: So why has protoss performed below par in KCM? I won't presume to know the answer, but there are many avenues one could persue. I think the main issue is the lack of a consistent 3rd/4th protoss. Bisu and Best tend to do okay, and then the last slot rotated between Mini Shuttle Snow and Stork through the regular season, and they did not really perform well. Shuttle being their 4th spot in the playoffs is quite telling, he's not even a top 20 player in sponbbang, regardless of how well he performed in the finals. To be fair, Terran doesn't have a consistent 3rd, let alone 4th player either. Royal only doing better recently, but really not significant at all. But then they have Light who is basically the Flash of this tournament. And he's good whether it's TvP or TvZ. Last year he had a winning streak of 10 in UBE which is insane. And then needless to say about the Zerg lineup. Soma didn't even have to play in this final. It all comes down to which race has the MVP really. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On April 21 2021 21:55 Rainalcar wrote: What else is new? Correct me if I am wrong: KCM Race wins: 8T 7Z and... 1P Out of curiosity, I computed that the chance for one of the three races to win 1 or 0 KCM leagues, out of 16, if each race has an equal chance of winning a league, is 4%. Make of that whatever you want. {{ 16 * [ 1/3 * (2/3)^15 ] + (2/3)^16 }} * 3 ~=~ 4%, where we make the approximation that two races will never both win only 1 or 0 KCM leagues. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
Shuttle was amazing in all of his matches. First I just listened, then I had to drop what I was doing and watch, then I had to put it on theater mode, then switch to full-screen. Nothing can be done against an in-form Queen though so in my book P won this season. | ||
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