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[ASL10] Grand Finals - ZerO vs Soma - Page 15

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Brainojack
Profile Joined March 2018
Canada195 Posts
November 17 2020 00:35 GMT
#281
who voted no for that last game? i need to know why
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
November 17 2020 01:25 GMT
#282
Crazy last game. ZerO was the better player today and he certainly had the better muta micro overall. Congrats to him. Pretty conflicted though. Was rooting for Soma to win, but having a repeat zerg champion is really great too. Hopefully this spurs Soma to get even better for ASL11.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Artas1984
Profile Joined August 2018
149 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-17 05:30:36
November 17 2020 05:29 GMT
#283
ATTENTION!

Does anybody know exactly what happened to Queen's drone line at 2:51:27:



At 2:51:03 you can see Soma sneaking in 3 zerglings in Queen's main base, followed by Queen's 3 zerglings. The main was fully saturated at that point, but after some time we have got only two drones mining? What? Are you telling me that those 3 lings managed to slaughter every drone despite being deliberately in-pursuit by Queen's counter 3 lings? I am shocked!

Freezard
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Sweden1025 Posts
November 17 2020 07:24 GMT
#284
On November 17 2020 14:29 Artas1984 wrote:
ATTENTION!

Does anybody know exactly what happened to Queen's drone line at 2:51:27:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qENyb8fkOY

At 2:51:03 you can see Soma sneaking in 3 zerglings in Queen's main base, followed by Queen's 3 zerglings. The main was fully saturated at that point, but after some time we have got only two drones mining? What? Are you telling me that those 3 lings managed to slaughter every drone despite being deliberately in-pursuit by Queen's counter 3 lings? I am shocked!


The AI can be pretty dumb so probably the 3 lings killed the 1 ling they were chasing and then stopped so the other 2 lings got free reign in the drone line and killed 2-3 drones until Queen noticed it.

It was a cool series, not the best but the final game was truly epic. Now sad to wait for the next ASL :'(
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11086 Posts
November 17 2020 08:04 GMT
#285
Why are all the youtube comments so scary Hope we get more tastosis ASL.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
GameLocalizer
Profile Joined November 2020
9 Posts
November 17 2020 09:20 GMT
#286
On November 17 2020 17:04 Sabu113 wrote:
Why are all the youtube comments so scary Hope we get more tastosis ASL.


wow you're right, they must be close to the chopping block, or in negotiations or something

i can kinda see why like.. ASL ends up getting almost no English traffic to their platform & it's not like they sell ads globally anyway.. and now there's no blizzard bucks..
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12041 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-17 09:45:02
November 17 2020 09:42 GMT
#287
I don't think there's any evidence from anywhere that ASL are looking to drop their English casters unless I've missed something, it's possible that people are just showing their support. By interacting with the VOD in that way it shows that there are people who want this, please don't drop it even if you're not thinking about it.
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1259 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-17 11:23:24
November 17 2020 11:23 GMT
#288

On November 17 2020 17:04 Sabu113 wrote:
anyway.. and now there's no blizzard bucks..


When did Blizzard invest money in Broodwar? Aside from the work to put out Remastered have they done anything except a couple of showmatches at BlizzCon?

All they did was dump bucket loads of money onto SC2 for the past decade to cut that game out too in order to invest more resources in e-sport leagues for 11 y olds.
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6183 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-17 14:08:51
November 17 2020 13:36 GMT
#289
Tastosis told during the finals that it will most likely to be the last professional level broodwar cast for them _this year_ which propably got few ppl concerned.

edit: and also they asked people to let afreeca know that there are people who enjoy english cast
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-17 15:21:42
November 17 2020 15:21 GMT
#290
I believe they mentioned the same thing before? Also, obviously last cast of the year since even if there was ASTL2, they wouldn't cast it like the first one. It doesn't matter to me personally if there was no english cast so long as we can get access to the casts since KR casts are just great, but I also highly doubt Afreeca would drop the cast. People being paranoid for no reason.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12041 Posts
November 17 2020 15:30 GMT
#291
On November 17 2020 20:23 oxKnu wrote:

Show nested quote +
On November 17 2020 17:04 Sabu113 wrote:
anyway.. and now there's no blizzard bucks..


When did Blizzard invest money in Broodwar? Aside from the work to put out Remastered have they done anything except a couple of showmatches at BlizzCon?

All they did was dump bucket loads of money onto SC2 for the past decade to cut that game out too in order to invest more resources in e-sport leagues for 11 y olds.


They gave a lot of money to ZZZero for BSL.
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
ShowTheLights
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Korea (South)1715 Posts
November 17 2020 19:57 GMT
#292
On November 17 2020 22:36 Piste wrote:
Tastosis told during the finals that it will most likely to be the last professional level broodwar cast for them _this year_ which propably got few ppl concerned.

edit: and also they asked people to let afreeca know that there are people who enjoy english cast


It's because Tastosis demand a shit ton of money to cast
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Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4179 Posts
November 18 2020 03:11 GMT
#293
Zero's muta micro ZvZ is so freaking good, he's like a freaking machine that doesn't seem to make any mistakes in muta vs scourge fights. I wonder if it's the best muta micro we've seen since the kespa days.
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4179 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-18 03:17:05
November 18 2020 03:15 GMT
#294
On November 17 2020 22:36 Piste wrote:
Tastosis told during the finals that it will most likely to be the last professional level broodwar cast for them _this year_ which propably got few ppl concerned.

edit: and also they asked people to let afreeca know that there are people who enjoy english cast


Yeah I think Tastosis was just mentioning it's the last BW cast for the year which is quite obvious as there is always a 3-5month break between ASL. I wouldn't be too worried as it would be an extremely random time to drop the english cast. Also is it me or is this season alot higher in terms of viewers watching the english cast?

Also it might be a request to the viewers to nudge Afreeca to have an english cast for the next ASTL?
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8171 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-18 03:49:31
November 18 2020 03:48 GMT
#295
On November 17 2020 20:23 oxKnu wrote:

Show nested quote +
On November 17 2020 17:04 Sabu113 wrote:
anyway.. and now there's no blizzard bucks..


When did Blizzard invest money in Broodwar? Aside from the work to put out Remastered have they done anything except a couple of showmatches at BlizzCon?

All they did was dump bucket loads of money onto SC2 for the past decade to cut that game out too in order to invest more resources in e-sport leagues for 11 y olds.


Blizzard was the main organizer of the KSL. They definitely didn't do anything in the pre-Remastered era and definitely pushed KESPA to adopt SC2 from BW, but the KSL was pretty great.
Free Palestine
End1esss
Profile Joined July 2020
12 Posts
November 18 2020 04:41 GMT
#296
Dont forget Blizzard raise tournament fees and killed ATL
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6183 Posts
November 18 2020 04:58 GMT
#297
On November 18 2020 12:15 Dante08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2020 22:36 Piste wrote:
Tastosis told during the finals that it will most likely to be the last professional level broodwar cast for them _this year_ which propably got few ppl concerned.

edit: and also they asked people to let afreeca know that there are people who enjoy english cast


Yeah I think Tastosis was just mentioning it's the last BW cast for the year which is quite obvious as there is always a 3-5month break between ASL. I wouldn't be too worried as it would be an extremely random time to drop the english cast. Also is it me or is this season alot higher in terms of viewers watching the english cast?

Also it might be a request to the viewers to nudge Afreeca to have an english cast for the next ASTL?

Yes english cast for ASTL pls! They've had always less well knows players on it so english cast could make it more interesting for foreign audience.
Have they announced ASTL already?

I usually use the english youtube stream and I feel like at least there have been more viewers as the chat has moved faster than before. No idea about the numbers tho.
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7577 Posts
November 18 2020 21:46 GMT
#298
I am glad that Soma lost in a way, that showed Queen played better. Results are results but if we are going to have a ZvZ finals, I want it to include a game 7 where the winner did micro that causes me to misread the state of play.

I was curious if Queen was better with 3 or more control groups. I have come away thinking Soma is equal or great then Queen at 1 control group of muta or less. The second it scales, Queen stays fluid and every other player on earth, starts to have unit dis-unison. Queen is reaching Flash levels of discrepancy between himself and the other members of his race. The results read close, but I don't think it was as close as it seems, Queen needs to leave the streamer builds at home, he almost tilted himself off a cliff.
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About the other, last page topics

Can we lobby for Nyoken and Gypsy to cast KCM or ultimate-whatever-the-bo9's are called.

The more of the amazing korean content we share with the world, the better our shot at keeping things going or growing.


Blizzard threatened to destroy everything in bw unless they got to own it, to own something they didn't grow and never had plans to maintain. Typical corporate colonialism. I wish the Korean courts could have protected the scene from them but alas, they had their way and here we are - always one Sunday away from them deciding that any of our streamers, organizers or tournaments owe them any fee they can make up to continue. Hell, at any notice they could sever all ties with tl.net and sue them for any reason at all. Blizzard is a lion in a life-raft. Without blizzard we survived a giant match-fixing scandal, with blizzard involved, the same event destroyed the entire eco-system.

Really hope we can expand the language menu for coverage of Korean events. I don't mind watching in korean, but it leaves so many potential viewers on the table.

KSL was great. Can't deny that. It was really fucking dope.
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1259 Posts
November 19 2020 00:01 GMT
#299
On November 18 2020 00:30 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2020 20:23 oxKnu wrote:

On November 17 2020 17:04 Sabu113 wrote:
anyway.. and now there's no blizzard bucks..


When did Blizzard invest money in Broodwar? Aside from the work to put out Remastered have they done anything except a couple of showmatches at BlizzCon?

All they did was dump bucket loads of money onto SC2 for the past decade to cut that game out too in order to invest more resources in e-sport leagues for 11 y olds.


They gave a lot of money to ZZZero for BSL.


A lot of money? Unless we're missing something. A couple of thousand dollars worth of battle.net balance (whatever that is) is hardly any support imo.

It would be so easy for them to fully sponsor a string of tournaments for this game since even cheap prizes would garner some additional interest.

However I would say that the only thing they've stayed consistent with is how they've marginalized this game since Remastered launch. Very poor production support, hardly any feature development, minimal e-sports commitment, diverting any kind of advertisement to SC2.

As a result, both BW and SC2 will die off in 2-3 years, unless an external party commits a lot of money into SC2 (which I seriously doubt).

On November 18 2020 12:48 Ideas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2020 20:23 oxKnu wrote:

On November 17 2020 17:04 Sabu113 wrote:
anyway.. and now there's no blizzard bucks..


When did Blizzard invest money in Broodwar? Aside from the work to put out Remastered have they done anything except a couple of showmatches at BlizzCon?

All they did was dump bucket loads of money onto SC2 for the past decade to cut that game out too in order to invest more resources in e-sport leagues for 11 y olds.


Blizzard was the main organizer of the KSL. They definitely didn't do anything in the pre-Remastered era and definitely pushed KESPA to adopt SC2 from BW, but the KSL was pretty great.


I was under the impression that KSL was a Blizzard Korea thing (apparently that's different from the main company).

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