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[STPL] S2 Showmatch + Announcement - iRk vs vT Bo7 - Page 2

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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4264 Posts
August 27 2019 09:29 GMT
#21
On August 27 2019 08:38 ash.Game wrote:
how does this kill the spirit of a TEAM league. White look at SouL) / [WHITE] / for example. they're all Korean lineups so stop complaining. We just wanted more competition to the top teams of the league. with our addition of wico- we now have a chance

i'm against them participating also. this should be a foreign team league, I think that would spark much more interest this way..

but oh well, I will still watch because the games and production are quite awesome and I appreciate all that Qikz and others are doing with this league.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4264 Posts
August 27 2019 09:29 GMT
#22
On August 27 2019 07:30 dM-White wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2019 04:21 sfca wrote:
On August 26 2019 22:01 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
so "vT" is actually "Wico" clan..?

Idk if I like that.. Actually I KNOW that I don't like that at all.. What's the point of calling yourself "vT" when your whole lineup consists of mercs from a korean clan?

wrong direction


Actually most of the players are form Wico, but there are some of others teams too.. so they all became vT.. but it’s ok if you don’t like it, we will just try to make a good competition,
Gl :D


So its vt a team then? seems like a lot of random players from random koreans teams just joining vt name tag one time a week for play one league, this makes me sick when random players who doesnt wanna to be full in a team only joins it to play a TEAM league and win some money they doesnt care about the team or their members, i dont know if this is the case, if they are good or not and honestly i dont care, but in my point of view this kills the spirit of a TEAM league.

Agreed. Mercenaries in team leagues are quite bad..
FakeFin
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany392 Posts
August 27 2019 13:52 GMT
#23
If they're only mercenaries who play in stpl for the money, why would they participate in a showmatch?
They're just players who love the game just as much as we do, so why should they be not allowed to play? Being korean doesn't make you better, they all just worked really hard to become so good
jamesz
Profile Joined October 2017
52 Posts
August 27 2019 14:37 GMT
#24
hahaha I thought that VT was a Mexican team but I don't see a Mexican in that lineup, well it's not bad that Koreans play, but this only causes laughter.
XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2356 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-27 16:39:39
August 27 2019 16:25 GMT
#25
time for dM- to merge with Ever) mb we can get JyJ and Modesty to play as dM-... That would be interesting given the fact that our line up roflstomps wico everytime we play in a league.

+ Show Spoiler +
j/k i think that shit is lame, no koreans in dM, foreigner pride too stronk


On August 27 2019 08:38 ash.Game wrote:
how does this kill the spirit of a TEAM league. White look at SouL) / [WHITE] / for example. they're all Korean lineups so stop complaining. We just wanted more competition to the top teams of the league. with our addition of wico- we now have a chance


WHITE is a korean clan, since 1999, they entered this league as a Korean clan...
SouL is a team, not a clan, Fuji runs it like a bussiness, he pays these koreans to play for him wearing the SouL tag even in ASL.
vT is a Mexican clan, that registered as mexican, and now is using his contact with Wico to maybe win a league under their name, cuz their main foreigner roster can not win shit. if any Wico members qualified for ASL or KSL i dont think they will be wearing the vT- tag on the stage.

that my friend is the difference between vT, SouL and WHITE.
ἡ τῆς Νεμέσεως τάξις
sfca
Profile Joined December 2015
Mexico12 Posts
August 27 2019 16:36 GMT
#26
On August 27 2019 22:52 FakeFin wrote:
If they're only mercenaries who play in stpl for the money, why would they participate in a showmatch?
They're just players who love the game just as much as we do, so why should they be not allowed to play? Being korean doesn't make you better, they all just worked really hard to become so good


Exactly haha.. funny thing is only talk about 1 team and their koreans lol.. don't worry just look at who is complaining about, it's not important, let's just play and make a good show :D
sfca
Profile Joined December 2015
Mexico12 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-27 16:41:16
August 27 2019 16:39 GMT
#27
On August 28 2019 01:25 XenOsky wrote:
time for dM- to merge with Ever) mb we can get JyJ and Modesty to play as dM-... That would be interesting given the fact that our line up roflstomps wico everytime we play in a league.

+ Show Spoiler +
j/k i think that shit is lame


Show nested quote +
On August 27 2019 08:38 ash.Game wrote:
how does this kill the spirit of a TEAM league. White look at SouL) / [WHITE] / for example. they're all Korean lineups so stop complaining. We just wanted more competition to the top teams of the league. with our addition of wico- we now have a chance


WHITE is a korean clan, since 1999, they entered this league as a Korean clan...
SouL is a team, not a clan, Fuji runs it like a bussiness, he pays these koreans to play for him wearing the SouL tag even in ASL.
vT is a Mexican clan, that registered as mexican, and now is using his contact with Wico to maybe win a league under their name, cuz their main foreigner roster can not win shit. if any Wico members qualified for ASL or KSL i dont think they will be wearing the vT- tag on the stage.

that my friend is the difference between vT, SouL and WHITE.


so you saying only because vT has Mexican flag, koreans are not allowed to join vT? hahaha man, you are not worth for replying the words of anything you just said.. gl, nice chilean ppl as always haha


btw.. dM can merge with who ever they want, no-one will care haha, take the note!
XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2356 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-27 16:56:42
August 27 2019 16:41 GMT
#28
On August 28 2019 01:39 sfca wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2019 01:25 XenOsky wrote:
time for dM- to merge with Ever) mb we can get JyJ and Modesty to play as dM-... That would be interesting given the fact that our line up roflstomps wico everytime we play in a league.

+ Show Spoiler +
j/k i think that shit is lame


On August 27 2019 08:38 ash.Game wrote:
how does this kill the spirit of a TEAM league. White look at SouL) / [WHITE] / for example. they're all Korean lineups so stop complaining. We just wanted more competition to the top teams of the league. with our addition of wico- we now have a chance


WHITE is a korean clan, since 1999, they entered this league as a Korean clan...
SouL is a team, not a clan, Fuji runs it like a bussiness, he pays these koreans to play for him wearing the SouL tag even in ASL.
vT is a Mexican clan, that registered as mexican, and now is using his contact with Wico to maybe win a league under their name, cuz their main foreigner roster can not win shit. if any Wico members qualified for ASL or KSL i dont think they will be wearing the vT- tag on the stage.

that my friend is the difference between vT, SouL and WHITE.


so you saying only because vT has Mexican flag, koreans are not allowed to join vT? hahaha man, you are not worth for replying the words of anything you just said.. gl, nice chilean ppl as always haha


just like you are worth no points when i beat you in ladder everytime we play...

im not saying that, you can run your clan anyway you want, im just stating the fact that these players have zero interest in being a part of vT, (except maybe cRosSy) they are doing this just because there is some money involved, which is fine as long as qikz allows it.

On August 26 2019 22:01 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
so "vT" is actually "Wico" clan..?

Idk if I like that.. Actually I KNOW that I don't like that at all.. What's the point of calling yourself "vT" when your whole lineup consists of mercs from a korean clan?

wrong direction


^ MY POINT, and the main reason why i never even thought of telling any Ever member to be a part of dM for STPL, if Ever want to participate in STPL they should be playing as Ever)( , just like WHITE is doing...
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sfca
Profile Joined December 2015
Mexico12 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-27 17:12:03
August 27 2019 17:10 GMT
#29
On August 28 2019 01:41 XenOsky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2019 01:39 sfca wrote:
On August 28 2019 01:25 XenOsky wrote:
time for dM- to merge with Ever) mb we can get JyJ and Modesty to play as dM-... That would be interesting given the fact that our line up roflstomps wico everytime we play in a league.

+ Show Spoiler +
j/k i think that shit is lame


On August 27 2019 08:38 ash.Game wrote:
how does this kill the spirit of a TEAM league. White look at SouL) / [WHITE] / for example. they're all Korean lineups so stop complaining. We just wanted more competition to the top teams of the league. with our addition of wico- we now have a chance


WHITE is a korean clan, since 1999, they entered this league as a Korean clan...
SouL is a team, not a clan, Fuji runs it like a bussiness, he pays these koreans to play for him wearing the SouL tag even in ASL.
vT is a Mexican clan, that registered as mexican, and now is using his contact with Wico to maybe win a league under their name, cuz their main foreigner roster can not win shit. if any Wico members qualified for ASL or KSL i dont think they will be wearing the vT- tag on the stage.

that my friend is the difference between vT, SouL and WHITE.


so you saying only because vT has Mexican flag, koreans are not allowed to join vT? hahaha man, you are not worth for replying the words of anything you just said.. gl, nice chilean ppl as always haha


just like you are worth no points when i beat you in ladder everytime we play...

im not saying that, you can run your clan anyway you want, im just stating the fact that these players have zero interest in being a part of vT, (except maybe cRosSy) they are doing this just because there is some money involved, which is fine as long as qikz allows it.

Show nested quote +
On August 26 2019 22:01 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
so "vT" is actually "Wico" clan..?

Idk if I like that.. Actually I KNOW that I don't like that at all.. What's the point of calling yourself "vT" when your whole lineup consists of mercs from a korean clan?

wrong direction


^ MY POINT, and the main reason why i never even thought of telling any Ever member to be a part of dM for STPL, if Ever want to participate in STPL they should be playing as Ever)( , just like WHITE is doing...



W/e you say man, nobody care, keep arguing for everything like always, now you talking about “ladder”.. haha you have no sense of talk.. I’m not replying you anymore, keep it going Chilean
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12041 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-27 18:52:09
August 27 2019 18:47 GMT
#30
Just to clarify STPL is and always will be a global teamleague. Last season WHITE joined with their full korean roster + Telecom and while everyone thought they would win every series they didn't. SouL also had a relatively strong korean lineup as well, but also lost series also.

Koreans are not unbeatable and teams such as iRk and NW proved last season that it's more than possible to do it. STPL will always be a tournament about preperation, organisation from the teams and strategic thinking to take down players. ReV didn't perform the best last season in terms of overall victories, but Madinho stepped up and not only took a TvT off of ByuL he also took a TvZ vs Spire. Other players also had similar successes and their success stories formed a fabric of what lead to be the entire storyline of STPL Season 1.

vT joined up with WiCo to compete as one clan in this season and while I hear why didn't WiCo sign up as themselves, yes they could've done but then it might be harder to have an interface between them and myself. WHITECLAN's leader GyRo has relatively good English and if he can't deal with something someone else in WHITE (NyamNam) is practically fluent so he deals with everything else. By joining together with vT they find that interface with Crossy and the other vT leadership and it allows them all to focus on playing together and improving together.

One of my strongest goals with STPL was to bridge the gap between the Korean and non Korean StarCraft scenes and with how well all the foreign teams did last year against WHITE and SouL and how much the players in WHITE enjoyed themselves and wanted to get more involved I am happy to say I plan to continue that goal into season 2. I want the scenes to coexist together, I want to give people from all areas a chance to play in the STPL and I want to show more koreans that there's a lot of fantastic foreign players who shouldn't be ignored.

I understand that some may think this is sudden, but this is something I've known about a little while and deliberately chosen to wait to announce it with this showmatch hoping it would be a pleasent surprise, but apparantly I should've said something sooner! I personally can't wait to see this showmatch and see how some of their new members play against one of our strongest veteran teams in the league. I hope you'll all join us next Monday to see as well just how far iRk have come from the very beginning and what the new vT members bring to the table!

EDIT: One thing I'd love to point out in a jokey way is everyone is almost on the same level going into STPL as nobody has played the maps.
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
sfca
Profile Joined December 2015
Mexico12 Posts
August 27 2019 18:59 GMT
#31
On August 28 2019 03:47 Qikz wrote:
Just to clarify STPL is and always will be a global teamleague. Last season WHITE joined with their full korean roster + Telecom and while everyone thought they would win every series they didn't. SouL also had a relatively strong korean lineup as well, but also lost series also.

Koreans are not unbeatable and teams such as iRk and NW proved last season that it's more than possible to do it. STPL will always be a tournament about preperation, organisation from the teams and strategic thinking to take down players. ReV didn't perform the best last season in terms of overall victories, but Madinho stepped up and not only took a TvT off of ByuL he also took a TvZ vs Spire. Other players also had similar successes and their success stories formed a fabric of what lead to be the entire storyline of STPL Season 1.

vT joined up with WiCo to compete as one clan in this season and while I hear why didn't WiCo sign up as themselves, yes they could've done but then it might be harder to have an interface between them and myself. WHITECLAN's leader GyRo has relatively good English and if he can't deal with something someone else in WHITE (NyamNam) is practically fluent so he deals with everything else. By joining together with vT they find that interface with Crossy and the other vT leadership and it allows them all to focus on playing together and improving together.

One of my strongest goals with STPL was to bridge the gap between the Korean and non Korean StarCraft scenes and with how well all the foreign teams did last year against WHITE and SouL and how much the players in WHITE enjoyed themselves and wanted to get more involved I am happy to say I plan to continue that goal into season 2. I want the scenes to coexist together, I want to give people from all areas a chance to play in the STPL and I want to show more koreans that there's a lot of fantastic foreign players who shouldn't be ignored.

I understand that some may think this is sudden, but this is something I've known about a little while and deliberately chosen to wait to announce it with this showmatch hoping it would be a pleasent surprise, but apparantly I should've said something sooner! I personally can't wait to see this showmatch and see how some of their new members play against one of our strongest veteran teams in the league. I hope you'll all join us next Monday to see as well just how far iRk have come from the very beginning and what the new vT members bring to the table!

EDIT: One thing I'd love to point out in a jokey way is everyone is almost on the same level going into STPL as nobody has played the maps.


Thanks Qikz 🥰, you are the best
vT.VerbO
Profile Joined August 2019
2 Posts
August 27 2019 19:11 GMT
#32
On August 28 2019 01:41 XenOsky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2019 01:39 sfca wrote:
On August 28 2019 01:25 XenOsky wrote:
time for dM- to merge with Ever) mb we can get JyJ and Modesty to play as dM-... That would be interesting given the fact that our line up roflstomps wico everytime we play in a league.

+ Show Spoiler +
j/k i think that shit is lame


On August 27 2019 08:38 ash.Game wrote:
how does this kill the spirit of a TEAM league. White look at SouL) / [WHITE] / for example. they're all Korean lineups so stop complaining. We just wanted more competition to the top teams of the league. with our addition of wico- we now have a chance


WHITE is a korean clan, since 1999, they entered this league as a Korean clan...
SouL is a team, not a clan, Fuji runs it like a bussiness, he pays these koreans to play for him wearing the SouL tag even in ASL.
vT is a Mexican clan, that registered as mexican, and now is using his contact with Wico to maybe win a league under their name, cuz their main foreigner roster can not win shit. if any Wico members qualified for ASL or KSL i dont think they will be wearing the vT- tag on the stage.

that my friend is the difference between vT, SouL and WHITE.


so you saying only because vT has Mexican flag, koreans are not allowed to join vT? hahaha man, you are not worth for replying the words of anything you just said.. gl, nice chilean ppl as always haha


just like you are worth no points when i beat you in ladder everytime we play...

im not saying that, you can run your clan anyway you want, im just stating the fact that these players have zero interest in being a part of vT, (except maybe cRosSy) they are doing this just because there is some money involved, which is fine as long as qikz allows it.

Show nested quote +
On August 26 2019 22:01 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
so "vT" is actually "Wico" clan..?

Idk if I like that.. Actually I KNOW that I don't like that at all.. What's the point of calling yourself "vT" when your whole lineup consists of mercs from a korean clan?

wrong direction


^ MY POINT, and the main reason why i never even thought of telling any Ever member to be a part of dM for STPL, if Ever want to participate in STPL they should be playing as Ever)( , just like WHITE is doing...









Xenosky i have bashed you like 10-1 in ranked using my protoss you should shut up, you are not even good...
Go back to smoke your weed sad chilean.
EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1600 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-27 20:39:09
August 27 2019 19:36 GMT
#33
Sorry. Misread.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12041 Posts
August 27 2019 20:00 GMT
#34
On August 28 2019 04:36 EndingLife wrote:
People are still paying koreans/gosus to play in certain foreigner teams? Holy..


There's no payment going on here at all in any cases as far as i'm aware. Where did you get this idea?
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2356 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-27 20:33:56
August 27 2019 20:31 GMT
#35
On August 28 2019 04:11 vT.VerbO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2019 01:41 XenOsky wrote:
On August 28 2019 01:39 sfca wrote:
On August 28 2019 01:25 XenOsky wrote:
time for dM- to merge with Ever) mb we can get JyJ and Modesty to play as dM-... That would be interesting given the fact that our line up roflstomps wico everytime we play in a league.

+ Show Spoiler +
j/k i think that shit is lame


On August 27 2019 08:38 ash.Game wrote:
how does this kill the spirit of a TEAM league. White look at SouL) / [WHITE] / for example. they're all Korean lineups so stop complaining. We just wanted more competition to the top teams of the league. with our addition of wico- we now have a chance


WHITE is a korean clan, since 1999, they entered this league as a Korean clan...
SouL is a team, not a clan, Fuji runs it like a bussiness, he pays these koreans to play for him wearing the SouL tag even in ASL.
vT is a Mexican clan, that registered as mexican, and now is using his contact with Wico to maybe win a league under their name, cuz their main foreigner roster can not win shit. if any Wico members qualified for ASL or KSL i dont think they will be wearing the vT- tag on the stage.

that my friend is the difference between vT, SouL and WHITE.


so you saying only because vT has Mexican flag, koreans are not allowed to join vT? hahaha man, you are not worth for replying the words of anything you just said.. gl, nice chilean ppl as always haha


just like you are worth no points when i beat you in ladder everytime we play...

im not saying that, you can run your clan anyway you want, im just stating the fact that these players have zero interest in being a part of vT, (except maybe cRosSy) they are doing this just because there is some money involved, which is fine as long as qikz allows it.

On August 26 2019 22:01 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
so "vT" is actually "Wico" clan..?

Idk if I like that.. Actually I KNOW that I don't like that at all.. What's the point of calling yourself "vT" when your whole lineup consists of mercs from a korean clan?

wrong direction


^ MY POINT, and the main reason why i never even thought of telling any Ever member to be a part of dM for STPL, if Ever want to participate in STPL they should be playing as Ever)( , just like WHITE is doing...









Xenosky i have bashed you like 10-1 in ranked using my protoss you should shut up, you are not even good...
Go back to smoke your weed sad chilean.


who are you btw¿
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IvaNioX2
Profile Joined September 2018
96 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-28 00:01:52
August 27 2019 23:47 GMT
#36
nice vT i like that merge, always is good to play vs good players but take care about time zone & lag issues
in one hand kr players would incorporate more coverage to the league raising chances to get (more) sponsors by other hand fusioning 2 teams is expensive related to management costs (time) and coordination between both parties. Well it will be a big challenge for you to buoy up the fusion, reggards.


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WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3482 Posts
August 27 2019 23:53 GMT
#37
it s great to get koreans in our teamleagues and bridge the community gap between korea and the foreign scene.
As long as they stay commited for the whole season it s a good thing.

Props to Qikz for allowing them. looking forward to nice cws
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art_of_turtle
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
United States1206 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-28 01:18:14
August 28 2019 01:17 GMT
#38
On August 27 2019 08:38 ash.Game wrote:
how does this kill the spirit of a TEAM league. White look at SouL) / [WHITE] / for example. they're all Korean lineups so stop complaining. We just wanted more competition to the top teams of the league. with our addition of wico- we now have a chance

+ Show Spoiler +
wait are you apart of vT?


I don't necessarily see any issues with koreans participating in Qik'z STPL but there is some validity of teams recruiting koreans only for the specific reason of winning their teamleagues and bringing their reputation of being a winning team up.

still quite surprised when guys like vT-sfca, vT-Galaxy, vT-MrPlow, and vT-CroSsy aren't participating in in the show match. I'm sure any one of those guys can easily take on whoever IRK has due to their position in BWL.
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FakeFin
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany392 Posts
August 28 2019 07:08 GMT
#39
On August 28 2019 10:17 art_of_turtle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2019 08:38 ash.Game wrote:
how does this kill the spirit of a TEAM league. White look at SouL) / [WHITE] / for example. they're all Korean lineups so stop complaining. We just wanted more competition to the top teams of the league. with our addition of wico- we now have a chance

+ Show Spoiler +
wait are you apart of vT?


I don't necessarily see any issues with koreans participating in Qik'z STPL but there is some validity of teams recruiting koreans only for the specific reason of winning their teamleagues and bringing their reputation of being a winning team up.

still quite surprised when guys like vT-sfca, vT-Galaxy, vT-MrPlow, and vT-CroSsy aren't participating in in the show match. I'm sure any one of those guys can easily take on whoever IRK has due to their position in BWL.

None of them participate in this showmatch because it's to show off their new players
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6966 Posts
August 28 2019 08:57 GMT
#40
On August 28 2019 05:00 Qikz wrote:
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On August 28 2019 04:36 EndingLife wrote:
People are still paying koreans/gosus to play in certain foreigner teams? Holy..


There's no payment going on here at all in any cases as far as i'm aware. Where did you get this idea?

So do u really believe all semipros playing for Soul are doing it cuz they love foreigner team and scene a lot .
or Bonyth switching from netwars to Soul
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