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[ASL7] 3rd/4th Place match - Rain vs EffOrt
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Wonk
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http://bj.afreecatv.com/aslenglish/post/42175450 Mistake, or is it actually later, anybody know? edit: artosis tweeted it so i guess mistake | ||
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M2
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On March 10 2019 17:43 Greg_J wrote: The 3rd Place match doesn't mean much to anyone except a small difference in prize money hopefully enough to motivate the players to want to win. But really not too many people care so I am just hoping for some good games and an entertaining evening. I am expecting ladder matches level of preparation and gameplay, which could be fairly good providing that its rain vs effort, just few standard high level PvZs | ||
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Puosu
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On March 10 2019 17:43 Greg_J wrote: The 3rd Place match doesn't mean much to anyone except a small difference in prize money hopefully enough to motivate the players to want to win. But really not too many people care so I am just hoping for some good games and an entertaining evening. What's the difference in prize money? ASL6 was apparently ~2k USD difference between 3rd and 4th. If its anything close to that, I'm sure they're taking this seriously. | ||
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Xain0n
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I'm definitely rooting for Effort now! | ||
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byj
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sM.Zik
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NoS-Craig
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EffOrt with the big doom drop and then the win. Hope this doesn't turn into a 3-0. | ||
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Motivate
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JieXian
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On March 10 2019 19:03 NoS-Craig wrote: Artosis says EffOrt is off to the military soon and this most probably is his last major appearance in a tournament before his military service. Glad I get to watch his last offline game before he heads off. Damn we'll need to wait for a long time before a effort vs flash rematch | ||
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goody153
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is it not ? | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On March 10 2019 19:30 Motivate wrote: rain doesnt have to do military? no he doesn't, he had surgery donating a part of his liver to his dad, apparently the procedure made him incapable for conscription. also why he retired as an SC2 pro. | ||
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juvenal
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JieXian
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Gg effort! On March 10 2019 19:42 dredredre wrote: ITT: Noregret's friends and family shilling hard for him. Feels like an eerie reddit promotion thread | ||
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Motivate
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On March 10 2019 19:45 JieXian wrote: PvZ is hard when your scout gets denied eh so many dirty tricks the zerg can do >:D how does it FEEL protoss | ||
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juvenal
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haha you guys are intolerable  | ||
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NoS-Craig
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Berby
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On March 10 2019 20:05 NoS-Craig wrote: Rains starting to mine out. We might have a 3-0 tonight. I really hope not, I just made some nachos for this series  | ||
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Nesto
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Puosu
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iFU.pauline
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On March 10 2019 20:10 Puosu wrote: Rain looked incredibly bad today :0 Allow me to correct you, EffOrt made him look incredibly bad. | ||
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JieXian
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Gg I'm cheering for mini! The big last fan better not whine and give excuses when Mini takes it! :D | ||
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goody153
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this is not the kind of series i expected from them. not this onesided | ||
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Wonk
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Welp, those games were pretty rough. Hope Rain was just phoning this one in cause there was nothing at stake, he played pretty sub-par compared to his usual form. It would have made a pretty disappointing final. | ||
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Kaolla
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On March 10 2019 20:15 JieXian wrote: Wow Rain got owned by effort again. This puts Mini's PvZ into perspective isn't it? How so? It was basically 3 build order wins for Mini and Effort just rolled over. Why pretend like Mini vs Effort was a good series or Mini played brilliantly? The series sucked, Mini played alright, it was mainly Effort that couldn't even hold some (what I would call) pretty basic openers. I mean the double 9 gate can happen, but the other two games were pretty poor I'd say... | ||
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oxKnu
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Protoss has to be the abuser. | ||
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Qikz
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On March 10 2019 20:19 Wonk wrote: Damn, we'll miss you effOrt. There needs to be a zerg ready to step up in his shoes, there are several who could but they're a long way off right now. Welp, those games were pretty rough. Hope Rain was just phoning this one in cause there was nothing at stake, he played pretty sub-par compared to his usual form. It would have made a pretty disappointing final. ZerO come back and he's been killing the S tier protosses atm. ZerO is our king <3 | ||
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nikolaus8844
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Who said there's nothing to fight for? Not only $2000 difference between 3rd and 4th place, but even more - the prestige and delivering for the fans. 3 games no economic harass, no notable offence.. nothin. Yeah, Effort is a monster, but Mini played to win.. and so he did. Can't wait to watch the finals, between two players that actually have both substance and character! Props to Effort for the nice display, but it felt more like a practice day for him... in charge of the whole thing from the very start to the very end. | ||
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konadora
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Akio
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Congrats to EffOrt though! | ||
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Wonk
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On March 10 2019 20:33 Qikz wrote: ZerO come back and he's been killing the S tier protosses atm. ZerO is our king <3 He is? Woo. I hope he qualifies next season. Any news on when hero gets back? He was my other zerg favourite along with effort, I'd love to see him back on form. edit: could have sworn he went to the military before bisu did, but I must have misremembered. Guess we'll see him back next year | ||
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M2
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On March 10 2019 20:34 nikolaus8844 wrote: Maaaaaaaaan... Rain playing like the loser that he is... it's not that he lacks skill, because that's clearly not true. He lacks the ambition of a champ... Who said there's nothing to fight for? Not only $2000 difference between 3rd and 4th place, but even more - the prestige and delivering for the fans. 3 games no economic harass, no notable offence.. nothin. Yeah, Effort is a monster, but Mini played to win.. and so he did. Can't wait to watch the finals, between two players that actually have both substance and character! Props to Effort for the nice display, but it felt more like a practice day for him... in charge of the whole thing from the very start to the very end. Yeah like I predicted earlier, there will be few ladder level PvZs from good players, even if it had finished 3:2, it still would have been average series imo. Its just the 3rd place matches are like that, I doubt that Effort was more motivated or prepared better than Rain, even though he won convincingly | ||
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Jackal03
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Poll: Recommend Effort vs Rain Game 1? Yes (5) If you have time (0) No (4) 9 total votes You must be logged in to vote in this poll. ☐ Yes Poll: Recommend Effort vs Rain Game 2? Yes (0) If you have time (2) No (7) 9 total votes You must be logged in to vote in this poll. ☐ Yes Poll: Recommend Effort vs Rain Game 3? Yes (4) If you have time (2) No (4) 10 total votes You must be logged in to vote in this poll. ☐ Yes | ||
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JoinTheRain
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M3t4PhYzX
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Damn shame. | ||
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ArcadePlus
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M2
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On March 11 2019 01:46 ArcadePlus wrote: excellent games from effort, his mechanics are astonishingly good. He was just fighting so efficiently with mass hydra, he kept sniping templar and dodging storms in game 3. The map was pretty good for mass hydra, but efforts control sets him apart from other zergs. yeah it was quite surprising to me that he managed to win with powering up mass hydra/tier2 units without hurting the protoss economy or doing some other dirty tricks like muta templars snipes, drops etc., so not sure how that even worked since rain's storms were pretty decent imo | ||
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asel
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ggs | ||
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Nematocyst
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AGE: 60 was pretty awesome.APM: 40 | ||
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Sabu113
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Man feels like we just got effort back | ||
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Barneyk
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I feel like he went in with a strong macro focus and expected Effort to be scared of shenanigans after the loss to Mini, but nothing played out like Rain had planned. Besides the missed drop there wasn't really anything that felt bad from his play, things just didn't go his way at any point. Weird to see. Effort was on top of things, I hope he can come back strong after his time in the army. | ||
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Turbovolver
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Those weren't the storms of someone who wasn't trying. Maybe now you can just admit Rain is overrated instead of saying dumb things like this. edit: I'm so fucking glad it was a 3-0 stomp though, maybe this'll cause the people who were saying "3rd place match is gonna be the real finals!" to self-reflect some. | ||
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LaStScan
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Funny thing is STX SouL expro protoss player(s) seem weak against JD, but strong against other zergs. And that is Shuttle. He is really strong in pvz late game and effort cant win if the game goes too long. | ||
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JieXian
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On March 11 2019 10:11 Turbovolver wrote: So Rain plays at an average-to-above-average level and gets beaten by probably the top Zerg around at the moment and everyone's like "what, Rain, you didn't even want to try?". Those weren't the storms of someone who wasn't trying. Maybe now you can just admit Rain is overrated instead of saying dumb things like this. edit: I'm so fucking glad it was a 3-0 stomp though, maybe this'll cause the people who were saying "3rd place match is gonna be the real finals!" to self-reflect some. Yes exactly, Rain tried so many ways to scout the main in g2, designed a speedlot sair push that killed a ton of overlords in g3 and tried to get a dt in later, had so many good storms and nearly toppled effort over with his push on whiteout. Effort just managed to deflect everything very well where he had failed to do so vs mini. ... But they just couldn't give effort any credit and had to attribute it to rain not trying. This seems to be a consistent theme here, not giving the winner credit. On March 11 2019 14:10 LaStScan wrote: I find STX SouL expro protoss players play better and stronger for the mid and late games. Bisu definitely has his own unique style to constantly harass early mid game and get 200 max goons with hts. Funny thing is STX SouL expro protoss player(s) seem weak against JD, but strong against other zergs. And that is Shuttle. He is really strong in pvz late game and effort cant win if the game goes too long. What is your position on the matter? Do you think Rain "wasn't trying"? | ||
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Incomplete..ReV
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LaStScan
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On March 11 2019 15:01 JieXian wrote: Yes exactly, Rain tried so many ways to scout the main in g2, designed a speedlot sair push that killed a ton of overlords in g3 and tried to get a dt in later, had so many good storms and nearly toppled effort over with his push on whiteout. Effort just managed to deflect everything very well where he had failed to do so vs mini. ... But they just couldn't give effort any credit and had to attribute it to rain not trying. This seems to be a consistent theme here, not giving the winner credit. What is your position on the matter? Do you think Rain "wasn't trying"? I never said rain wasn't trying. | ||
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Xain0n
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On March 11 2019 18:10 superjoppe wrote: wow effort is so good. too bad he lost against mini, otherwise he would easily be the champ. Easily? I wouldn't say. Last is looking good again and he barely lost 2-3 in ASL 6 against Effort. | ||
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Ideas
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BisuDagger
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Without Effort who does top Zerg fall too? Larva still can't find the champions edge in live matches and Soulkey has kind of teetered off a bit. I think it still has to be Soulkey as the new top Zerg, with a few scrappy second tier Zergs. | ||
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Dazed.
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nah obviously soulkey. might be interesting to watch zero though, hes got such talent he might rise real quick... | ||
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Nematocyst
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On March 11 2019 23:56 BisuDagger wrote: Without Effort who does top Zerg fall too? How long until Hero returns? I think he entered military after Bisu, but not that much later. | ||
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AF0x
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BisuDagger
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Aminus
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How experience beats youngsters. How overrated Rain is, mainly by the casters artosis and tasteless. To me his pvz always look just bad, or to be more accurate it feels lacking something... Praising him in every single matchup, where they forgot he was never going to win ASL if Snow didnt eliminated Flash, just a lucky run. and Effort is just great, so great. | ||
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iFU.pauline
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"I killed Flash" Prepare for 18 months of zerg dark ages. | ||
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Ideas
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Watching the last couple seasons it seems like each race has a much better bench of great players than I initially thought. | ||
BigFan
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On March 11 2019 18:17 Xain0n wrote: Easily? I wouldn't say. Last is looking good again and he barely lost 2-3 in ASL 6 against Effort. Indeed. I would've liked to see a Last vs EffOrt rematch on these maps. Would probably be a close series again. As to the third place match, even though there's money on the line, I think players are less die-hard about winning compared to say trying to make the finals, however, you guys are crazy if you think these guys wouldn't want to earn an extra $2000 or more by securing victory. In this series, felt like Rain tried his hardest but EffOrt was a cut above, stopping everything that Rain threw at him. Can't be helped if he got outclassed in this case. He had a close chance in the last game, but EffOrt reinforced well to prevent that fourth from dying. One thing Rain could've done better is split his army better. He would send his whole army to deal with a single hydra at 3 leaving his third exposed etc... | ||
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KamMoye
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XenOsky
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The fact that he lost 0-3 vs EFFORT doest mean shit at this level of play. Rain is probably the most complete and competent toss player in the korean scene. Top tier pvper, best PvTer, above average PvZ... Mini is an outlier in the pvz match up, a mini-bisu, the fact that he was able to beat effort in a close series with smart planning and well executed builds doesnt take away the fact that Rain is exceptional. | ||
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SC_ar
United States35 Posts
On March 12 2019 00:31 BisuDagger wrote: I think Killer could still make a big comeback. Agree 100%. Killer has always had great mechanics and tourney play. I believe Larva is capable of going farther, but history says his ability to advance in tournaments will stay limited. Calm is not the best Zerg in the world. I love his style and have always been a fan. His lurker drop build in ASL7 is, I believe, the most creative play in the tournament. But he is not as solid all around as Killer or Soulkey. Soulkey was in a tough group to break out of and he will return with a vengeance in ASL8. Is here slotted to compete in KSL3? With Effort out of the tournament he will be the most successful Zerg of late in the field. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On March 12 2019 00:31 BisuDagger wrote: I think Killer could still make a big comeback. zero and soulkey..... | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
Soulkey seems to always flake in tournaments. ZERO IS THE NEW KING. | ||
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[AS]Rattus
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SC_ar
United States35 Posts
Soulkey won KSL2 three months ago, so with all due respect I cannot consider him flaky in tournaments anymore. He has recent series wins in tournaments against Mini (arguably #2 Protoss in the world), Larva (one of the best Zergs albeit not a great ZvZer), and Sharp (top 3 Terran undisputedly). And let's not forget that he swept Last in a series that included CB and FS. He was beat out of ASL6 because he faced Effort and Mini and had a similarly difficult group in ASL7. Lately his tournament play is as good as any Zerg except Effort which naturally makes him the new top Zerg in the world. | ||
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