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NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3124 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-01 08:02:46
March 01 2019 06:46 GMT
#1
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OGN G2 FESTA showmatch

(T)Flash vs (Z)Jaedong


Stream: https://www.twitch.tv/ogn (Korean)


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Flash 2-0 Jaedong
Game 1: Circuit breaker - Flash
Game 2: Rush Hour - Flash
Game 3: peaks of baekdu

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Kazi25
Profile Joined July 2016
Philippines236 Posts
March 01 2019 06:48 GMT
#2
Yeah!
MinscandBoo
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
252 Posts
March 01 2019 06:49 GMT
#3
Curious to see what map pool will be. anyone know what this is BoX?
Swords! Not words!
Luddite
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2315 Posts
March 01 2019 06:50 GMT
#4
On March 01 2019 15:49 MinscandBoo wrote:
Curious to see what map pool will be. anyone know what this is BoX?

Seems like they're playing on circuit breaker, rush hour, and peaks of baekdu.
Not sure if it's Bo3 or just 3 games no matter what.
Can't believe I'm still here playing this same game
MinscandBoo
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
252 Posts
March 01 2019 06:52 GMT
#5
On March 01 2019 15:50 Luddite wrote:
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On March 01 2019 15:49 MinscandBoo wrote:
Curious to see what map pool will be. anyone know what this is BoX?

Seems like they're playing on circuit breaker, rush hour, and peaks of baekdu.
Not sure if it's Bo3 or just 3 games no matter what.

Thanks! Sad it won't be more games.
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MinscandBoo
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
252 Posts
March 01 2019 06:59 GMT
#6
Flash with quick 2nd rax acad vs 3h? and he forced lings just before mutalisk timing, beautiful
Swords! Not words!
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3124 Posts
March 01 2019 07:03 GMT
#7
Ballsy pushing up that ramp with those Lurks up there but I guess he did enough damage to them already anyway.
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MinscandBoo
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
252 Posts
March 01 2019 07:05 GMT
#8
Ballsy but he hurt the muta count so hard all game. The mutas can't punish him hard enough. Flash looking super in control of this game.
Swords! Not words!
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8806 Posts
March 01 2019 07:05 GMT
#9
battlecruisers for flash. this is gg
razorsuKe
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2000 Posts
March 01 2019 07:07 GMT
#10
JD getting ez'd
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NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3124 Posts
March 01 2019 07:08 GMT
#11
JD will gg soon these BC's recking havoc. That initial attack by Jaedong did like no damage. I like how Flash has played this so far.
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MinscandBoo
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
252 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-01 07:10:15
March 01 2019 07:09 GMT
#12
When Jaedong spent all his banked larva on lings instead of mutas as spire finished and Flash didn't suicide his army in to sunks its been super uphill for JD. GG! wp by Flash
Swords! Not words!
mel_ee
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
2448 Posts
March 01 2019 07:10 GMT
#13
wow what an interesting first game strat
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sAw
Profile Joined November 2008
965 Posts
March 01 2019 07:12 GMT
#14
This was painful to watch. I hope JD can at least take 1 map.
machinus
Profile Joined January 2010
United States291 Posts
March 01 2019 07:14 GMT
#15
I guess Flash's wrists are fine...
MinscandBoo
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
252 Posts
March 01 2019 07:18 GMT
#16
I like the 2h muta build. Map seems to favor aggression given the wide double openings to the naturals
Swords! Not words!
Wonk
Profile Joined March 2017
546 Posts
March 01 2019 07:19 GMT
#17
Interesting game 1. So nobody knows how many games this series is? I hope it's bo5.
MinscandBoo
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
252 Posts
March 01 2019 07:25 GMT
#18
Man, JD really likes to suicide for vessels. Still, he's looked strong this game.
Swords! Not words!
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3124 Posts
March 01 2019 07:32 GMT
#19
This game looks like it might go Flash's way as well. That drop by JD didn't do much and Flash has a lot of bases now.
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MinscandBoo
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
252 Posts
March 01 2019 07:34 GMT
#20
Agree. Map terrain favoring Flash's mech. JD making questionable drops but nice vessel snipe!
Swords! Not words!
Wonk
Profile Joined March 2017
546 Posts
March 01 2019 07:39 GMT
#21
Those drops were definitely all over the place and didn't really achieve anything. So that's it, it was just 1 bo3?
MinscandBoo
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
252 Posts
March 01 2019 07:44 GMT
#22
They don't even present a prize or nuthin? well... Wasn't worth staying up for IMO but I guess JD and Flash get some long sleeve shirts for their trouble ^.^
Swords! Not words!
Beef Noodles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States937 Posts
March 01 2019 08:03 GMT
#23
Really sad to see how outclassed JD was. The first game he went a fairly economic build, and still had half of Flash's supply in the midgame. I agree that having to make the lings instead of mutas was a big mistake, but it still shocked me that he was THAT behind afterward.

Second game he went for much more aggressive play, did little damage, and again was at half of flash's supply by the midgame.

I know zerg should be behind in supply, but being 70 supply behind, and on the same number of bases as terran without any major set backs early... it was just a Flash stomp.
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3124 Posts
March 01 2019 08:04 GMT
#24
Shame we couldn't get a game 3. I thought after he killed all those vessels he might have a chance to come back. Even after the mech switch, Flash had a ton of bio left on the map. Was just too much for JD in the end.
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Ty2
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1434 Posts
March 01 2019 09:56 GMT
#25
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ibutoss
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
Australia341 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-01 10:53:50
March 01 2019 10:16 GMT
#26
any vods for this?

edit. found it - was at the end of this video:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/388389754?filter=archives&sort=time
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LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3024 Posts
March 01 2019 15:50 GMT
#27
Kinda weird how much money/time they put into this for just a BO3, the games were decent though
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oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1244 Posts
March 01 2019 16:20 GMT
#28
Maybe they're testing the waters for an actual tournament?
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8159 Posts
March 02 2019 01:07 GMT
#29
This series was sorta bummer, Flash was just playing on another level compared to JD. Makes sense since Flash seems to still play a lot on streams and in spon-matches but JD seems rusty and almost never streams BW lately (as far as I can tell but maybe he only streams when I'm not checking haha).They were both still fun but damn flash seemed to just be clowning on JD a bit with all those D-matrices haha.
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friendbg
Profile Joined November 2010
Bulgaria576 Posts
March 02 2019 06:16 GMT
#30
On March 02 2019 01:20 oxKnu wrote:
Maybe they're testing the waters for an actual tournament?

I was wondering the same thing. Do we have any info, why this showmatch was arranged?
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Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
March 02 2019 08:53 GMT
#31
Too bad FlaSh has kind of ran away skill-level wise, this FvJ matchup isn't as fair as it used to be
Mine gas, build tanks.
JoinTheRain
Profile Blog Joined September 2018
Bulgaria409 Posts
March 02 2019 10:21 GMT
#32
I imagine Flash went to Jaedong after and it went like this:

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letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
March 02 2019 11:14 GMT
#33
Wait until Flash wrist gets him and then we can have a fair rematch
Garrl
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Scotland1975 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-02 21:02:31
March 02 2019 21:01 GMT
#34
that first game especially felt honestly depressing, I know it's a showmatch but the fact that Flash felt comfortable building BCs in a TvZ is like, on par with BM scouts. JD also looked pretty despondent when they showed him on camera during games.
Ty2
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1434 Posts
March 02 2019 21:44 GMT
#35
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ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-03 01:27:10
March 03 2019 01:22 GMT
#36
btw there was an amateur tourney held on the same day where zelot face bishop in the finals

Rodya
Profile Joined January 2018
546 Posts
March 03 2019 02:51 GMT
#37
Second game was fun even though it felt like FlaSh was just playing with JD the whole time purposefully letting him stay in the game for longer (as a service to the fans).
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XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2311 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-03 04:00:40
March 03 2019 04:00 GMT
#38
My best friend is a zerg player... we havent talked about bw in like 8 years, he wont know about this.
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Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3690 Posts
March 03 2019 17:12 GMT
#39
On March 02 2019 01:20 oxKnu wrote:
Maybe they're testing the waters for an actual tournament?


Well if we are lucky and Blizzard pulls out of Starcraft like they did out of Heroes, that 100k fee might go down as well. I'm pretty sure OGN would be more inclined to try a tournament again if it wasn't so super expensive to get the license from Blizz.
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
March 04 2019 01:32 GMT
#40
On March 04 2019 02:12 Lorch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 01:20 oxKnu wrote:
Maybe they're testing the waters for an actual tournament?


Well if we are lucky and Blizzard pulls out of Starcraft like they did out of Heroes, that 100k fee might go down as well. I'm pretty sure OGN would be more inclined to try a tournament again if it wasn't so super expensive to get the license from Blizz.


The event is part of gaming convention hence many different games were played not just Starcraft. Considering how SC is the grandfather of e-sports in Korea, show-match between two legends doesn't seem out of the ordinary.
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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12025 Posts
March 04 2019 13:40 GMT
#41
On March 04 2019 02:12 Lorch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 01:20 oxKnu wrote:
Maybe they're testing the waters for an actual tournament?


Well if we are lucky and Blizzard pulls out of Starcraft like they did out of Heroes, that 100k fee might go down as well. I'm pretty sure OGN would be more inclined to try a tournament again if it wasn't so super expensive to get the license from Blizz.


Blizzard pulling out of StarCraft would be way worse for the scene.
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
March 05 2019 04:29 GMT
#42
I know some of you guys prefer to have an english cast so I tried my hand at casting these games because why not? First time casting a pro series so some pauses here and there to collect my thoughts or wait to see what goes down. Probably a couple of silly mistakes too due to speed. Feedback is welcome!

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Zaibakk
Profile Joined May 2017
101 Posts
March 07 2019 12:12 GMT
#43
Thank you BigFan! Nice casting!
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
March 07 2019 16:21 GMT
#44
Thanks!
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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
March 07 2019 20:27 GMT
#45
On March 03 2019 06:01 Garrl wrote:
that first game especially felt honestly depressing, I know it's a showmatch but the fact that Flash felt comfortable building BCs in a TvZ is like, on par with BM scouts. JD also looked pretty despondent when they showed him on camera during games.


Uhh...BCs are pretty common with Bio terran, especially when terran is a comfortable relative position gaswise. Very gas expensive for zerg to deal with, and deal damage if Z isn't prepared. Scouts you never get out of them what you put in unless you get super, super fortunate. BCs are very easy to be gas effective, and really take away from the ultra count.

I'm sure it's tough for JD to go from being right there with Flash to a upper middle tier zerg, especially since it's not like he went inactive. His body just kinda failed him. That's never easy.
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
March 07 2019 20:31 GMT
#46
Indeed. BCs are seeing a lot more usage nowadays and in the last year at least with players like Light making them a lot more in the late game. Also, 2 BCs require quite the resource investment and attention from a Zerg player to manage.
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errol1001
Profile Joined April 2008
454 Posts
March 07 2019 21:58 GMT
#47
BCs being more common these days doesn't mean that wasn't a depressing game though.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
March 07 2019 22:43 GMT
#48
On March 08 2019 06:58 errol1001 wrote:
BCs being more common these days doesn't mean that wasn't a depressing game though.

I don't believe L_Master was saying otherwise for a JD fan, but the idea that building BCs is like using scouts is far from reality since BCs have their uses as previously outlined while for scouts, their purposes more times than not is to BM.
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darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3017 Posts
March 08 2019 00:26 GMT
#49
Ironically, BCs (the most expensive unit in the game ... well Carrier plus Interceptors is technically more but close enough) and Cracklings (the cheapest unit in the game) share the property of being "fire and forget" units in late game that cause your opponent way more trouble to deal with than the effort required to cause that trouble.

Two BCs can just be sent to a Zerg base and be super annoying.

Random control groups of Cracklings can be thrown around the map (e.g. on Circuit Breaker, the Mineral only bases are basically just free Crackling farms). They'll cause lots of damage if not responded to quickly.
errol1001
Profile Joined April 2008
454 Posts
March 08 2019 03:15 GMT
#50
On March 08 2019 07:43 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2019 06:58 errol1001 wrote:
BCs being more common these days doesn't mean that wasn't a depressing game though.

I don't believe L_Master was saying otherwise for a JD fan, but the idea that building BCs is like using scouts is far from reality since BCs have their uses as previously outlined while for scouts, their purposes more times than not is to BM.


I agree.

I think the observer is part of why at this point, the game felt depressing to me. Because once the cruisers go in, theoretically, Flash should be using that time to do something else... but the observer just stared at the battlecruisers the whole time.
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
March 08 2019 03:51 GMT
#51
Well looks like in the past few offline matches the skill discrepancy between JD and Flash has been widening and they aren't on par with each other anymore.
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