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[ASL7] Ro8 Day 2 - Mind vs EffOrt - Page 4

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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
February 24 2019 11:37 GMT
#61
Everything seemed to go wrong for mind that game.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51072 Posts
February 24 2019 11:37 GMT
#62
Poll: Recommend EffOrt vs Mind Game 4?

Yes (22)
 
92%

If you have time (2)
 
8%

No (0)
 
0%

24 total votes

Your vote: Recommend EffOrt vs Mind Game 4?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

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NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3142 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-24 11:38:00
February 24 2019 11:37 GMT
#63
Mind managed to get a game off Effort at least. Seemed to lose it in that final game though. I thought he could win that game at one point. Such a shame he lost so many vessels.
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Ares[Effort] *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
DEMACIA6550 Posts
February 24 2019 11:37 GMT
#64
EffOrt is the man
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Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1470 Posts
February 24 2019 11:38 GMT
#65
Thanks Effort... and what do I do with the rest of the day?
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1259 Posts
February 24 2019 11:39 GMT
#66
I think this is the best example of APM not being useless. It was pretty clear that Effort's control and multitasking brought him little victories that amounted to clear wins in the end.
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1470 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-24 11:40:39
February 24 2019 11:40 GMT
#67
I agree that APM is not useless, but in Efforts case whatever he does can be done with 100 APM less xD
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
February 24 2019 11:40 GMT
#68
mini v effort will be insante

top PvZ vs top ZvP
BW is back
geod
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Vietnam450 Posts
February 24 2019 11:40 GMT
#69
Mind lost many dropships and transported troops for nothing. If all that resources had been invested in the main army he could win it.
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4179 Posts
February 24 2019 11:41 GMT
#70
I don't think Mini has top PvZ. At least not enough to challenge Effort or Soulkey in a Bo5
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1259 Posts
February 24 2019 11:42 GMT
#71
On February 24 2019 20:40 Highgamer wrote:
I agree that APM is not useless, but in Efforts case whatever he does can be done with 100 APM less xD


Which would still be about 120 more than Mind's average.
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1470 Posts
February 24 2019 11:43 GMT
#72
Ye, he is just sick in his way.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12041 Posts
February 24 2019 12:45 GMT
#73
On February 24 2019 20:41 Dante08 wrote:
I don't think Mini has top PvZ. At least not enough to challenge Effort or Soulkey in a Bo5


He's definitely got the best PvZ now that both Bisu and Shuttle are out.
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oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1259 Posts
February 24 2019 12:56 GMT
#74
On February 24 2019 21:45 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2019 20:41 Dante08 wrote:
I don't think Mini has top PvZ. At least not enough to challenge Effort or Soulkey in a Bo5


He's definitely got the best PvZ now that both Bisu and Shuttle are out.


I'd take Rain, but to each his own. No choice would be as clear as Bisu on his good days though.
Rodya
Profile Joined January 2018
546 Posts
February 24 2019 15:14 GMT
#75
Honestly, if EffOrt gets Last in the finals, and Last is healthy, he is going to lose. But Last isn't healthy, so no good );
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outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-24 15:20:21
February 24 2019 15:19 GMT
#76
EffOrt played rock solid, he's on another tier. Mind could win last game but losing vessels and throwing dropships - does he even use scan before blindly unloading everything - cost him the game.
I can definitely feel the lack of good terrans this season - no FlaSh, Sea on military, Light getting cheesed, Mong not living up to expectations I think Last and Sharp are last hopes of terran. Talking about Sharp he really has a chance to get a revenge on Last due to his wrist problems.
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Garrl
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Scotland1978 Posts
February 24 2019 16:43 GMT
#77
On February 25 2019 00:19 outscar wrote:
EffOrt played rock solid, he's on another tier. Mind could win last game but losing vessels and throwing dropships - does he even use scan before blindly unloading everything - cost him the game.


to be fair, scanning the main randomly that late into the game is a massive red warning sign that you're going to drop it.
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
February 24 2019 17:03 GMT
#78
Another 3-1 beatdown...
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-24 18:04:14
February 24 2019 17:58 GMT
#79
On February 24 2019 20:17 NoS-Craig wrote:
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On February 24 2019 20:11 KamMoye wrote:
On February 24 2019 20:09 NoS-Craig wrote:
Well, Mind at least you tried. Effort is the strongest player in Starcraft right now anyway.


Still Flash. How about we see Effort take first here *and* beat Flash in KSL. Don't disrespect The Ultimate Weapon.


No need to get angry at me man. Just an opinion I meant no disrespect to anyone. Chill dude.

Mind can still come back and win but at the moment I feel Effort is just really strong right now.

I wasn't angry. My opinion is no more special than yours. I'm not a Flash fan, I'm actually a Bisu fan.

I don't know why people are saying this was an Effort teardown. It was actually quite close. It *probably*should have been 3-2 Effort, but Mind had legitimate chances to take the set. He played extremely well and showed he's still quite the force in a BoX.

On February 24 2019 21:56 oxKnu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2019 21:45 Qikz wrote:
On February 24 2019 20:41 Dante08 wrote:
I don't think Mini has top PvZ. At least not enough to challenge Effort or Soulkey in a Bo5


He's definitely got the best PvZ now that both Bisu and Shuttle are out.


I'd take Rain, but to each his own. No choice would be as clear as Bisu on his good days though.


During the cast Tasteless mentioned:

A) This was minis 23rd consecutive vZ offline match (sounds unbelievable, did I really hear this?)

B) Mini would have the best PvZ win % if any Toss, including Bisu and Rain, if he 3-1 or betterr'd calm

Mini is a hypermegaelite player. He's like Last a few years ago. Just a matter of time before he starts consistently dominating.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19366 Posts
February 24 2019 18:50 GMT
#80
On February 25 2019 02:58 KamMoye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2019 20:17 NoS-Craig wrote:
On February 24 2019 20:11 KamMoye wrote:
On February 24 2019 20:09 NoS-Craig wrote:
Well, Mind at least you tried. Effort is the strongest player in Starcraft right now anyway.


Still Flash. How about we see Effort take first here *and* beat Flash in KSL. Don't disrespect The Ultimate Weapon.


No need to get angry at me man. Just an opinion I meant no disrespect to anyone. Chill dude.

Mind can still come back and win but at the moment I feel Effort is just really strong right now.

I wasn't angry. My opinion is no more special than yours. I'm not a Flash fan, I'm actually a Bisu fan.

I don't know why people are saying this was an Effort teardown. It was actually quite close. It *probably*should have been 3-2 Effort, but Mind had legitimate chances to take the set. He played extremely well and showed he's still quite the force in a BoX.

Show nested quote +
On February 24 2019 21:56 oxKnu wrote:
On February 24 2019 21:45 Qikz wrote:
On February 24 2019 20:41 Dante08 wrote:
I don't think Mini has top PvZ. At least not enough to challenge Effort or Soulkey in a Bo5


He's definitely got the best PvZ now that both Bisu and Shuttle are out.


I'd take Rain, but to each his own. No choice would be as clear as Bisu on his good days though.


During the cast Tasteless mentioned:

A) This was minis 23rd consecutive vZ offline match (sounds unbelievable, did I really hear this?)

B) Mini would have the best PvZ win % if any Toss, including Bisu and Rain, if he 3-1 or betterr'd calm

Mini is a hypermegaelite player. He's like Last a few years ago. Just a matter of time before he starts consistently dominating.


The stats comparison to Bisu doesn't work though. Bisu played far less PvZs in the ro32 thru ro8. So when Bisu did meet Zergs he met the best Zergs who were in form enough to win the championships. Which means that Bisu's losses were to far tougher opponents then mini. Mini has been adding victories against middle and low tier zergs.

On it's own, yes it is an impressive stat, but under a microscope it falls short. That's why the argument for Rain being a better PvZer then Mini could hold up to. His losses to Zergs come in the Ro8 onward also.
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