• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 05:05
CEST 11:05
KST 18:05
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event2Serral wins EWC 202543Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up6LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments4[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder10EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced63
StarCraft 2
General
uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread Official Ladder Map Pool Update (April 28, 2025) Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments WardiTV Mondays RSL Season 2 Qualifier Links and Dates StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) Global Tourney for College Students in September
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 485 Death from Below Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars
Brood War
General
ASL Season 20 Ro24 Groups StarCraft player reflex TE scores Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
KCM 2025 Season 3 Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 2
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[\m/] Heavy Metal Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
The Link Between Fitness and…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 663 users

[ASL7] Ro8 Day 2 - Mind vs EffOrt - Page 4

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
February 24 2019 11:37 GMT
#61
Everything seemed to go wrong for mind that game.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
February 24 2019 11:37 GMT
#62
Poll: Recommend EffOrt vs Mind Game 4?

Yes (22)
 
92%

If you have time (2)
 
8%

No (0)
 
0%

24 total votes

Your vote: Recommend EffOrt vs Mind Game 4?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3116 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-24 11:38:00
February 24 2019 11:37 GMT
#63
Mind managed to get a game off Effort at least. Seemed to lose it in that final game though. I thought he could win that game at one point. Such a shame he lost so many vessels.
Artosis loves Starcraft
Ares[Effort] *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
DEMACIA6550 Posts
February 24 2019 11:37 GMT
#64
EffOrt is the man
Moderatorgold coin
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1407 Posts
February 24 2019 11:38 GMT
#65
Thanks Effort... and what do I do with the rest of the day?
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1180 Posts
February 24 2019 11:39 GMT
#66
I think this is the best example of APM not being useless. It was pretty clear that Effort's control and multitasking brought him little victories that amounted to clear wins in the end.
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1407 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-24 11:40:39
February 24 2019 11:40 GMT
#67
I agree that APM is not useless, but in Efforts case whatever he does can be done with 100 APM less xD
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
February 24 2019 11:40 GMT
#68
mini v effort will be insante

top PvZ vs top ZvP
BW is back
geod
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Vietnam450 Posts
February 24 2019 11:40 GMT
#69
Mind lost many dropships and transported troops for nothing. If all that resources had been invested in the main army he could win it.
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4128 Posts
February 24 2019 11:41 GMT
#70
I don't think Mini has top PvZ. At least not enough to challenge Effort or Soulkey in a Bo5
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1180 Posts
February 24 2019 11:42 GMT
#71
On February 24 2019 20:40 Highgamer wrote:
I agree that APM is not useless, but in Efforts case whatever he does can be done with 100 APM less xD


Which would still be about 120 more than Mind's average.
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1407 Posts
February 24 2019 11:43 GMT
#72
Ye, he is just sick in his way.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
February 24 2019 12:45 GMT
#73
On February 24 2019 20:41 Dante08 wrote:
I don't think Mini has top PvZ. At least not enough to challenge Effort or Soulkey in a Bo5


He's definitely got the best PvZ now that both Bisu and Shuttle are out.
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1180 Posts
February 24 2019 12:56 GMT
#74
On February 24 2019 21:45 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2019 20:41 Dante08 wrote:
I don't think Mini has top PvZ. At least not enough to challenge Effort or Soulkey in a Bo5


He's definitely got the best PvZ now that both Bisu and Shuttle are out.


I'd take Rain, but to each his own. No choice would be as clear as Bisu on his good days though.
Rodya
Profile Joined January 2018
546 Posts
February 24 2019 15:14 GMT
#75
Honestly, if EffOrt gets Last in the finals, and Last is healthy, he is going to lose. But Last isn't healthy, so no good );
Banned for saying "zerg players are by far the biggest whiners in sc2 history" despite the fact that this forum is full of such posts about Terrans. Foreigner Elitists in control!
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-24 15:20:21
February 24 2019 15:19 GMT
#76
EffOrt played rock solid, he's on another tier. Mind could win last game but losing vessels and throwing dropships - does he even use scan before blindly unloading everything - cost him the game.
I can definitely feel the lack of good terrans this season - no FlaSh, Sea on military, Light getting cheesed, Mong not living up to expectations I think Last and Sharp are last hopes of terran. Talking about Sharp he really has a chance to get a revenge on Last due to his wrist problems.
sunbeams are never made like me...
Garrl
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Scotland1972 Posts
February 24 2019 16:43 GMT
#77
On February 25 2019 00:19 outscar wrote:
EffOrt played rock solid, he's on another tier. Mind could win last game but losing vessels and throwing dropships - does he even use scan before blindly unloading everything - cost him the game.


to be fair, scanning the main randomly that late into the game is a massive red warning sign that you're going to drop it.
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
February 24 2019 17:03 GMT
#78
Another 3-1 beatdown...
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-24 18:04:14
February 24 2019 17:58 GMT
#79
On February 24 2019 20:17 NoS-Craig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2019 20:11 KamMoye wrote:
On February 24 2019 20:09 NoS-Craig wrote:
Well, Mind at least you tried. Effort is the strongest player in Starcraft right now anyway.


Still Flash. How about we see Effort take first here *and* beat Flash in KSL. Don't disrespect The Ultimate Weapon.


No need to get angry at me man. Just an opinion I meant no disrespect to anyone. Chill dude.

Mind can still come back and win but at the moment I feel Effort is just really strong right now.

I wasn't angry. My opinion is no more special than yours. I'm not a Flash fan, I'm actually a Bisu fan.

I don't know why people are saying this was an Effort teardown. It was actually quite close. It *probably*should have been 3-2 Effort, but Mind had legitimate chances to take the set. He played extremely well and showed he's still quite the force in a BoX.

On February 24 2019 21:56 oxKnu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2019 21:45 Qikz wrote:
On February 24 2019 20:41 Dante08 wrote:
I don't think Mini has top PvZ. At least not enough to challenge Effort or Soulkey in a Bo5


He's definitely got the best PvZ now that both Bisu and Shuttle are out.


I'd take Rain, but to each his own. No choice would be as clear as Bisu on his good days though.


During the cast Tasteless mentioned:

A) This was minis 23rd consecutive vZ offline match (sounds unbelievable, did I really hear this?)

B) Mini would have the best PvZ win % if any Toss, including Bisu and Rain, if he 3-1 or betterr'd calm

Mini is a hypermegaelite player. He's like Last a few years ago. Just a matter of time before he starts consistently dominating.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19240 Posts
February 24 2019 18:50 GMT
#80
On February 25 2019 02:58 KamMoye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2019 20:17 NoS-Craig wrote:
On February 24 2019 20:11 KamMoye wrote:
On February 24 2019 20:09 NoS-Craig wrote:
Well, Mind at least you tried. Effort is the strongest player in Starcraft right now anyway.


Still Flash. How about we see Effort take first here *and* beat Flash in KSL. Don't disrespect The Ultimate Weapon.


No need to get angry at me man. Just an opinion I meant no disrespect to anyone. Chill dude.

Mind can still come back and win but at the moment I feel Effort is just really strong right now.

I wasn't angry. My opinion is no more special than yours. I'm not a Flash fan, I'm actually a Bisu fan.

I don't know why people are saying this was an Effort teardown. It was actually quite close. It *probably*should have been 3-2 Effort, but Mind had legitimate chances to take the set. He played extremely well and showed he's still quite the force in a BoX.

Show nested quote +
On February 24 2019 21:56 oxKnu wrote:
On February 24 2019 21:45 Qikz wrote:
On February 24 2019 20:41 Dante08 wrote:
I don't think Mini has top PvZ. At least not enough to challenge Effort or Soulkey in a Bo5


He's definitely got the best PvZ now that both Bisu and Shuttle are out.


I'd take Rain, but to each his own. No choice would be as clear as Bisu on his good days though.


During the cast Tasteless mentioned:

A) This was minis 23rd consecutive vZ offline match (sounds unbelievable, did I really hear this?)

B) Mini would have the best PvZ win % if any Toss, including Bisu and Rain, if he 3-1 or betterr'd calm

Mini is a hypermegaelite player. He's like Last a few years ago. Just a matter of time before he starts consistently dominating.


The stats comparison to Bisu doesn't work though. Bisu played far less PvZs in the ro32 thru ro8. So when Bisu did meet Zergs he met the best Zergs who were in form enough to win the championships. Which means that Bisu's losses were to far tougher opponents then mini. Mini has been adding victories against middle and low tier zergs.

On it's own, yes it is an impressive stat, but under a microscope it falls short. That's why the argument for Rain being a better PvZer then Mini could hold up to. His losses to Zergs come in the Ro8 onward also.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 55m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 136
StarCraft: Brood War
actioN 2086
Mong 832
ggaemo 827
BeSt 269
Larva 215
Killer 208
Zeus 163
Hyuk 107
Dewaltoss 68
soO 57
[ Show more ]
Sacsri 35
Sharp 27
yabsab 24
NaDa 22
ZerO 22
Bale 15
sorry 14
sSak 13
IntoTheRainbow 6
JulyZerg 4
Dota 2
ODPixel705
XcaliburYe580
XaKoH 329
Fuzer 201
Counter-Strike
shoxiejesuss622
Stewie2K569
allub166
Super Smash Bros
Westballz52
Other Games
ceh9505
crisheroes366
SortOf137
Tasteless124
NeuroSwarm56
rGuardiaN35
ZerO(Twitch)4
xp33
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta16
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 2
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Stunt1005
Upcoming Events
LiuLi Cup
1h 55m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5h 55m
RSL Revival
16h 55m
RSL Revival
1d
SC Evo League
1d 2h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 5h
CSO Cup
1d 6h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
Wardi Open
3 days
[ Show More ]
RotterdaM Event
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
The PondCast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
FEL Cracow 2025
CC Div. A S7

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.