On January 07 2019 01:14 kogeT wrote:
Good tour, except im not going to participate in future editions due to #koreans #tr8 #top1prize (I was orientalblue)

very valid point

Rus_Brain

Russian Federation1894 Posts

January 06 2019 17:36 GMT

#28

On January 07 2019 01:14 kogeT wrote:
Good tour, except im not going to participate in future editions due to #koreans #tr8 #top1prize (I was orientalblue)

Uh, old ole "ban Koreans" drama

kogeT

Poland2042 Posts

January 06 2019 17:42 GMT

#29

Well, you had all but one player outside korea. This one obviously was the strongest and took 350$ prize. Think about who came to play, rival, and who came to just pick up some easy money, and what is the impact of that for your future player base. :-)

Thanks for the tour anyway, you are doing great things for the scene nevertheless.

BTW. Zealot even qualified for ASL7 from the most difficult qualifier to put things in the perspective.

arew

Lithuania1861 Posts

January 06 2019 18:15 GMT

#30

Having koreans at tournaments is ok, IMO. It is great way practice against them, like we have it on HAY. Just splitting the prizepool between top4 would make it more attractive for everyone. Of course, it might make more koreans to come, but in order to make it to the money spots we can get them sooner or later.

Rus_Brain

Russian Federation1894 Posts

January 06 2019 18:44 GMT

#31

kogeT, so your point is in justification of your skill gap by a ban of a stronger.
No polemic will follow <3

kogeT

Poland2042 Posts

January 06 2019 20:25 GMT

#32

On January 07 2019 03:44 Rus_Brain wrote:
kogeT, so your point is in justification of your skill gap by a ban of a stronger.
No polemic will follow <3

There are stronger on the foreigner scene than me. But there are no people on foreign scene that can compete with ASL level players, period.

Rus_Brain

Russian Federation1894 Posts

January 06 2019 20:28 GMT

#33

On January 07 2019 05:25 kogeT wrote:

Show nested quote +

There are stronger on the foreigner scene than me. But there are no people on foreign scene that can compete with ASL level players, period.

Let me have a brief ten years timeout to argue this statement, please

kogeT

Poland2042 Posts

January 06 2019 20:36 GMT

#34

Its your money, your tournament, I have no means nor intention to change your mind, just speaking up. If the idea is to match foreigners vs pros, that can be handled by donating 100 balloons on their stream (as I did few times with immediate success). If the intention is to give more motivation to foreign scene, I stick to my argument. :-)

[tyu38]

Poland121 Posts

January 06 2019 21:53 GMT

#35

Tournaments with Koranians do not make sense. Look at the BSL, which has the audience.

[sc1f]eonzerg

Belgium6968 Posts

January 06 2019 22:07 GMT

#36

f*ck off and be gratefull brain is still sponsoring starcraft in 2019 lol

fazek42

Hungary438 Posts

January 06 2019 22:48 GMT

#37

Maybe make every second tournament a 'no koreans allowed' tournament? I'd personally prefer the 'no koreans' tournies (they are plenty of kor tournies / stuff already), but this way you can satisfy both groups?

kogeT

Poland2042 Posts

January 07 2019 08:50 GMT

#38

On January 07 2019 07:07 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
f*ck off and be gratefull brain is still sponsoring starcraft in 2019 lol

Wow the manners, lol. My point was to create a perspective. If Brain wants to maximize the number of attendents / viewership then it's better to exclude koreans. If he wants to send money to korea and see foreigners getting crushed by koreans with limited players and viewers pool, he can surely keep the format as it is.

[sc1f]eonzerg

Belgium6968 Posts

January 07 2019 09:10 GMT

#39

dont you see the intention is to make foreigners compete with koreans? this is the reason of bo1,in theory anyone can take a game.who will be the one to do it? there are 51 tournament left. a whole year of tournaments.

Rus_Brain

Russian Federation1894 Posts

January 07 2019 09:14 GMT

#40

kogeT, I am bound with hard rules and guidelines, instead of mood or a current set of mind. Only a hard rules discipline makes long-term achievements possible. One of the stepping stone is a "fair competition" rule. Regardless of whose money are in place, the sanctioned competition is not a fair one.

Although you may argue that allowing a stronger player result in exactly the opposite, I believe that the "fair competition" is one with neither unfair advantages nor restrictions. A ban of a nation is an unfair restriction, if not Nazism, albeit Koreans are indeed by far stronger than any other players.

Many of top-tier players, like Eon, Dewalt, Cryoc, g0rynich, and yourself to name a few, made a one-out-of-10 win against top-tier pros and shared such replays. Such games often exposed weird strategies, and a Bo1 tournament encourages the same.

There was nothing abnormal in your particular defeat against ZeloT. Your early bunkering attempt may have been scouted by any other zerg as well. To the contrary, a standard play against a 9pool would result in an advantage, enough to hope for a one-out-of-10 chance.

I am sorry to hear you will forfeit the tournament, as your participation makes a difference, of course. Yet, I believe that a 2-hours long tournament makes no difference in your practice schedule, considering that a 3-hours long correspondence in this thread did not.