[ASL6] Ro8 Shuttle vs Action

On October 14 2018 18:23 Kaley wrote:
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Follow the link, type /in, wait for me to send you your role and gl hf.

On October 14 2018 19:00 Twinkle Toes wrote:
Shuttle 3 - 2 Action

Game 1 - Cannon rush fail - Action wins
Game 2 - Arbiter + mass Carriers - Shuttle wins
Game 3 - Proxy Gate DT massacre of drones - Shuttle wins
Game 4 - Hydra bust and 1 critical shuttle-reaver mismicro - Action wins
Game 5 - Cannon rush - Shuttle wins

On October 14 2018 19:10 Twinkle Toes wrote:
Ahw fuck. Its on Afreeca. Impossible for me. Any youtube streams?

On October 14 2018 19:14 Twinkle Toes wrote:


My man!

Goodbye sleep!

On October 14 2018 19:22 Twinkle Toes wrote:
Oof, phone is almost dead, so end of old school lr for me lololol too soon.

GOGOGO SHUTTLE!!!

On October 14 2018 19:32 iFU.pauline wrote:
It could have gone better for Action if Shuttle didn't go 2 startport vs muta lol

On October 14 2018 20:13 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Great game, both played really well considering how the game started.

On October 14 2018 20:24 RowdierBob wrote:
Bleh this is kinda over. Needed more cannons by now.

On October 14 2018 20:19 Cele wrote:
Why are the viewer numbers always so low for the asl casts recently?

On October 14 2018 20:19 Cele wrote:
Why are the viewer numbers always so low for the asl casts recently?

On October 14 2018 20:34 Miragee wrote:


It's 16 k on korean and another 3k on english. That's alright, isn't it?

On October 14 2018 20:36 Cele wrote:


It displays 379 atm on EN for me. Is that a bug?

On October 14 2018 20:36 Cele wrote:


It displays 379 atm on EN for me. Is that a bug?

On October 14 2018 20:53 iFU.pauline wrote:
Well, looks like we won't see Action before effort for next power rank -_-

On October 14 2018 20:59 TonDan wrote:
goddamnit, i just woke up 6 minutes ago, tuned into asl, and the first screen that shows up is the results.

On October 14 2018 21:06 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:

no.the reason jaedong is not playing today is actually himself.but dont worry knowing jaedong he will be back like he always does

On October 14 2018 22:24 2Pacalypse- wrote:
That's my boy Shuttle; pulls through whenever you least expect of him!

Thanks for LR-ing the games guys!

On October 15 2018 07:38 GTR wrote:
he would've beaten shuttle in straight up games for sure

On October 15 2018 07:38 GTR wrote:
i was surprised at action's mindset going into this series. he would've beaten shuttle in straight up games for sure but he felt way too confident in his cheese strats working out for him.
lesson learned the hard way.

with action out, i think effort vs flash is the only worthy finals. anything else will be a huge disappointment draw wise.

On October 15 2018 12:14 Dante08 wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks that Action did not accidentally reveal the hydra? His plan was to use the proxy hatch to make just 3-4 hydras to scare Shuttle into making mass cannons while he continued to drone at home which he did and take his mineral base. If Action was going for a bust he wouldn't have that many drones at his nat. Shuttle eventually figured that out and even canceled one of his cannons. Action was actually doing ok until he lost like 9 drones to a DT.

On October 15 2018 12:14 Dante08 wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks that Action did not accidentally reveal the hydra? His plan was to use the proxy hatch to make just 3-4 hydras to scare Shuttle into making mass cannons while he continued to drone at home which he did and take his mineral base. If Action was going for a bust he wouldn't have that many drones at his nat. Shuttle eventually figured that out and even canceled one of his cannons. Action was actually doing ok until he lost like 9 drones to a DT.

On October 15 2018 17:51 De4ngus wrote:

But then why would he proxy the hatchery? He's guaranteed to lose the hatch if he doesn't immediately end the game. There's no way you wouldn't take your own mineral only or the 3 o'clock base instead if you were planning on going to mid-game. Also Action's overlord could see everything, including the fact that Shuttle only had 1 cannon, and was wide open for the bust. Even if he wanted to just make 4 hydras, if he had waited and gone in with them together, they would have taken out the cannon and caused a lot more trouble for shuttle, combined with the lings. I can't see how the hydra reveal wasn't a mistake.

On October 15 2018 18:49 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:

Both dont make sense to me. Like you said, proxying it there meant it likely wasnt a fake. But why even move the hydra to the front of Shuttle’s base at all if you dont plan on showing it. Even a random probe or zealot moving out could reveal your hydra. Just leave it at the proxy hatch until you have the amount you need.
Action was my pick for dark horse but I agree he was the lesser player this series. GG

On October 15 2018 18:49 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:

Both dont make sense to me. Like you said, proxying it there meant it likely wasnt a fake. But why even move the hydra to the front of Shuttle’s base at all if you dont plan on showing it. Even a random probe or zealot moving out could reveal your hydra. Just leave it at the proxy hatch until you have the amount you need.
Action was my pick for dark horse but I agree he was the lesser player this series. GG

On October 15 2018 19:23 Miragee wrote:


I think it was a move to show Shuttle that there is indeed a proxy hatch and he should build a billion cannons. Action didn't even build any hydras in his main or nat. I think if he was serious about the hydra all-in in the beginning he would have at least build a few hydras there.

On October 15 2018 19:29 Dante08 wrote:
I think he proxied it so the hydras would reach there faster and make it seem more like a real 3 hatch hydra bust.

Someone needs to interview Action to ask him this.

On October 16 2018 01:42 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Can someone please tell me what Mini’s PvZ and PvT playstle is?

On October 15 2018 13:01 Moopower wrote:
I wish they'd make lair a requirement for hydra speed and range to be available, that way it'll make hydra busts less abusable in ZvP. I dont know why but in the old days hydra bust was an all or nothing strategy, and usually resulted in zerg losing if it didn't kill the protoss, but now we have games where they more or less equalize 50-50 if protoss defends it, so zerg doesn't take any risk if it fails but can outright win the game if it works. Anyone can tell me why this is the case now adays where zerg can easily transition into mid to late game without much disadvantage? Before you can see that zerg drone counts were lower and for them to get back up in macro and economy they have to make several rounds of drones making their army weaker momentarily until they get their eco back up and that's when protoss can exploit and usually kill them. But now it seems there's no timing window for that and zerg somehow has the economy or the protoss's economy was stunted so much by the attempted hydra bust that it just sets them too far back that zerg can just come back in the game.


Or they can at the very least make the upgrades take longer. There's too short of a timing window for protoss to be able to scout them in time when speedlings deny probe and zealot scouting.

On October 15 2018 19:23 Miragee wrote:


I think it was a move to show Shuttle that there is indeed a proxy hatch and he should build a billion cannons. Action didn't even build any hydras in his main or nat. I think if he was serious about the hydra all-in in the beginning he would have at least build a few hydras there.

On October 16 2018 05:18 JieXian wrote:
Very nice games, I enjoyed the series, Shuttle looking solid!



You raise an interesting point but later on Action continued making more hydras anyway, after Shuttle plonked down a mass of cannons isn't it?

Shuttle's timing push in G5 was clinical; really well executed. Surprised Action got as greedy as he did in response - he made not just one, but two extraneous rounds of drones when he should have been pumping mutas for templar-sniping and sunkening / simcitying his bases.

On a meta level, Sylphid's closed mid makes a 2-base zeal/arch/temp push really difficult to fight. Action should have anticipated something like this. Instead it looks like his game sense was off.

On October 16 2018 05:03 Aminus wrote:

What do you mean by old days? If you mean the days that you make corsair only if zerg go muta and skipping corsair was normal vs zerg then my asnwer is thats the reason why zerg lose if not succeed with hydra bust, fast zealots pumping from 6-7 gates is going to get you if you fail with the bust. Also big part of it is that zerg deny probe scouting super easy nowdays and can even make lair and still hydra bust... So protoss is lost without corsair and cannons, both of which is unefficient units by themself, one is static defence, other is high price air to air unit which making protoss uneffecient in midgame pvz in general.

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