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Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-01 11:45:23
May 01 2018 11:45 GMT
#281
Snow was behind on ups and on 3 base too long and first recall was desperation. But with that little breathing room he somehow pulled it back with crazy reaver play. I really thought the doom push would end everything. And snow nearly fucked himself with one bad engagement where he lost his 2 arbs. This series is showing how timeless Bw. I remember saying the same shit with razorsuKe during one of the earlier rounds of this season, and now it's happening again. Play is getting elevated. Snow just won in a macro game vs Flash!
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
May 01 2018 11:45 GMT
#282
It's funny to see Gladiator called "Flash's map". He's never had much success on it (by his standards). I bet it's one of his least favorite maps.
razorsuKe
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2041 Posts
May 01 2018 11:45 GMT
#283
On May 01 2018 20:39 KobraKay wrote:
Hum so it seems this season there was actually reason for all those comments.

Good job for Snow. CJ Fighting xD

Still Flash winning would make me happier, despite Snow being exCJ



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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22473 Posts
May 01 2018 11:45 GMT
#284
On May 01 2018 20:44 Ota Solgryn wrote:
The island map win was exactly becuase Flash believed in his strategy and maphacks. He had no units at home but perfectly used the wraith. It won him the game. This game snow was able to punish that lost him the game. This is always how flash plays. Just so rare that players are able to exploit it.

He wasn't even looking for covering against the drops coming in. The top route was completely open. Unlike the game before where Flash was constantly looking for the shuttles.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
May 01 2018 11:46 GMT
#285
On May 01 2018 20:41 jtan wrote:
I can't believe snow took that, he played with 1-0 vs 3-2 upgrades on 4v4 bases for like 10 minutes, how is that possible??

It's not if terran defends. Terran left his 4th completely open all game.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
ortseam
Profile Joined April 2015
996 Posts
May 01 2018 11:46 GMT
#286
On May 01 2018 20:43 Gorsameth wrote:
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On May 01 2018 20:41 ortseam wrote:
On May 01 2018 20:38 FuRong wrote:
How hard is it to build one fucking turret and leave a couple of units at your only running expansion?

Pretty hard when a couple of units is all you have

2 goliaths there is worth the 30+ scv's that died there

1.Unload reavers
2.Kill goliaths
3.Kill SCVs
I mean, it's Snow
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10045 Posts
May 01 2018 11:46 GMT
#287
On May 01 2018 20:45 darktreb wrote:
It's funny to see Gladiator called "Flash's map". He's never had much success on it (by his standards). I bet it's one of his least favorite maps.


Snow literally veto'd Gladiator :D
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
gngfn
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1726 Posts
May 01 2018 11:46 GMT
#288
On May 01 2018 20:45 darktreb wrote:
It's funny to see Gladiator called "Flash's map". He's never had much success on it (by his standards). I bet it's one of his least favorite maps.

Yeah, this too. I think Flash's favorite map in this pool is probably actually Sparkle...
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
May 01 2018 11:46 GMT
#289
Damn. Flash down a game going into third world. Doesn't look good for terran.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
May 01 2018 11:47 GMT
#290
DO IT FLASH, CHEESE!
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
May 01 2018 11:47 GMT
#291
And now it's transistor. Wow.
The heart's eternal vow
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
May 01 2018 11:47 GMT
#292
GET HIM FLASH
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
May 01 2018 11:47 GMT
#293
On May 01 2018 20:42 Ota Solgryn wrote:
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On May 01 2018 20:39 StylishVODs wrote:
Aw, so well played by flash that game had he just had 1-2 units at his expansion. He threw a great lead by letting single reavers late game repeatedly get 20-30 kills each...

His 3-2 units would have won the game easily had he just put any effort into defending his 4th base


The thing is. He would have to leave a chunk of units becuase of the reaver control all the time from snow. One reaver repeatedly killed many units, vulutres etc.
And flash have by effect of TvP keep his army in the size of critical mass. He also had to worry about arbiter recalls in his main should he also keep units there?

You guys need to stop saying flash just had to leave units.


On May 01 2018 20:44 Ota Solgryn wrote:
The island map win was exactly becuase Flash believed in his strategy and maphacks. He had no units at home but perfectly used the wraith. It won him the game. This game snow was able to punish that lost him the game. This is always how flash plays. Just so rare that players are able to exploit it.

these two posts. Snow played well with the constant aggression and potential backstabs. Also, Flash had a smaller army and had to keep making units. Snow was doing well enough in engagements overall so having several less units would've costed him even more. Also, this is the way Flash plays. Guess the pressure got to him because he left some units back several times.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-01 11:50:22
May 01 2018 11:47 GMT
#294
Good spawns for Flash.
The heart's eternal vow
Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
May 01 2018 11:48 GMT
#295
If Snow wins this I will dub him Kratoss because he just killed a fucking God
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
May 01 2018 11:48 GMT
#296
Just want to mention Snow is mining mathematically perfectly.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
May 01 2018 11:48 GMT
#297
On May 01 2018 20:46 TT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2018 20:45 darktreb wrote:
It's funny to see Gladiator called "Flash's map". He's never had much success on it (by his standards). I bet it's one of his least favorite maps.


Snow literally veto'd Gladiator :D


Oh I know. Says a lot about the map pool. Funny thing is I bet ASL chose Gladiator last season deliberately to be the hardest "standard" map for Flash. And then they doubled down enough to make it the map that gets vetoed in a PvT by the Protoss player.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
May 01 2018 11:48 GMT
#298
On May 01 2018 20:44 Turbovolver wrote:
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On May 01 2018 20:33 razorsuKe wrote:
I know that looked awesome, but at the time all scvs died, I looked at flash's minerals
he was at 2700 LOL

That was Snow, pretty sure

ya, Snow floated 3k at one point lol and he wasn't maxed. He should've taken a fifth but maybe he thought he couldn't defend and wanted to stick to his 4 base count.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
May 01 2018 11:49 GMT
#299
Snow's scouting 100% on first try =) what's his secret
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4359 Posts
May 01 2018 11:49 GMT
#300
On May 01 2018 20:45 razorsuKe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2018 20:39 KobraKay wrote:
Hum so it seems this season there was actually reason for all those comments.

Good job for Snow. CJ Fighting xD

Still Flash winning would make me happier, despite Snow being exCJ



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