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Munhwa Broadcasting Channel @ 18:30 Korea Time
02:30 TL.net Time
OnGameNet vs SKT1
Terran
Zerg
Protoss
Luxury[GsP] < Python > KT.MGW)HyuK
n.Die_Chalrenge < Nemesis > LaKe[Name]
YellOw[NamE]/Zeus < Chariots of Fire > GoRush/Midas
Shine[Name] < Shin Peaks of Baekdu > Shudder_V
Ace Match < Monty Hall >
Results:
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Luxury[GsP] > KT.MGW)HyuK
n.Die_Chalrenge < LaKe[Name]
YellOw[NamE]/Zeus > GoRush/Midas
Shine[Name] < Shudder_V
--- Ace Match ---
n.Die_Chalrenge > Canata
OGN Sparkyz wins! 3-2
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KT.MGW)HyuK impresses me.. I'll be interested to see him play
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The only match I think I would actually want to see is the 2v2 with Y[ArnC]/ZeuS vs GoRush/Midas
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Lux > Hyuk
Chalrenge > Lake
Yarnc/Zeus < Gorush/Midas - this looks awesome
Shine > Shudder
OGN 3:1 SKT1
I think.
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3:2 t1 go
lux
lake
t1
shine
ace t1
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Luxury[GsP] < KT.MGW)HyuK
n.Die_Chalrenge > LaKe[Name]
YellOw[NamE]/Zeus < GoRush/Midas
Shine[Name] > Shudder_V
Should be fun :D
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I am not missing n.Die_Chalrenge 
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On May 07 2007 23:44 jkillashark wrote:
The only match I think I would actually want to see is the 2v2 with Y[ArnC]/ZeuS vs GoRush/Midas
ya but i wish they were the ones having the 1v1's
50 more minutes
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I think it starts 18:30. Where did you get this schedule from?
GOM says 18:30 : O
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On May 08 2007 01:55 Jonteman wrote:
I think it starts 18:30. Where did you get this schedule from?
GOM says 18:30 : O
I took it from the TL.net Calendar, which has just changed the time within the past few minutes
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Cool, no matter who wins in the 2v2, there will be some kind of ceremony/lack of to watch.
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o_o no one reporting this?
I have homeworks and such to deal with >_>
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On May 08 2007 02:45 pOOwarrior- wrote:
o_o no one reporting this?
I will, as soon as the stream loads, was watching other match
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Luxury <Python> Hyuk
Lux BLUE at 7
Hyuk PURPLE at 1
Both players went for 2nd hatch in base
Hyuk attempting to break into Lux's base with zlings, Lux defending
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Game 1:
Luxury - 7 (blue)
Hyuk - 1 (purple)
ZvZ @ Python
(partially into the game already)
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Lux sends 5ish muts to Hyuk, pops 2 ovies.
Hyuk's muts hatch in time to defend.
Hyuk prepares to expo to his nat
Hyuk sends 4 zlings to hit Lux while his muts are away, no kills.
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Both players expo to natural
Luxury on the move with bigger army.
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Hyuk expanding to nat, while Luxury attempy harassment with mutas. Mutas get demolished by scourge and more mutas.
Hyuk brings lings over to Luxury's main.
Luxury loses his zerglings that were attacking at Hyuk's main.
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Lux sacs half of his muts so his lings can take out Hyuk's expo hatch.
Lux sneaks 3 lings into Hyuk's base
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Hyuk constantly bothering Luxury's drone, both at his main and nat expo.
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Hyuk attacks, loses lings and some muts. Reinforcement lings get into Lux's base but do no damage.
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Hyuk attempting to re-expand to his fallen nat.
Luxury getting in some great muta harrass at hyuk's mineral line.
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Hyuk returning the favor now.
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LOL mutalisk ceremony!!! lol!!!!! PUHAHAHAHA
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Luxury kills more than 10 drones at Hyuk's main!
Hyuk sends his muts to Lux's main for counterattack.
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game has been over for me.....
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Hyuk had no drones left and conceded when he lost his Mutas in a battle at the center of the map.
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hahah gotta love that ceremony
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Hyuk is unable to damage Lux's eco and GG's
OGN 1-0 SKT
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Hyuk sucked, thank him for not wasting any more time.
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Hahaha, did anyone see Zeus just crack up when Luxury did his muta ceremony?
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Luxury won with nice muta micro.
That guy is Yellow[Name]'s brother right?
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On May 08 2007 02:57 Sakoulaki wrote:
Luxury won with nice muta micro.
That guy is Yellow[Name]'s brother right?
yes yes his older brother by like 15min
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On May 08 2007 02:57 Sakoulaki wrote:
Luxury won with nice muta micro.
That guy is Yellow[Name]'s brother right?
His twin brother
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watching 2games at once is fuN~~ but confusing. maybe cause im slow . eh~~.
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Chalrenge <Nemesis> Lake
Chal BLUE at 10
Lake RED at 2
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12 pool for lake, trying to do 12 exp at nat but chal puts a pylong there.
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Chal 1 gate expo
Lake 12 Pool 11 Hatch
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Chal has one gate and gas, now taking his nat.
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Stargate for chal, den for lake.
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Lake going hydra/lurk, den before lair
Sairs for chal
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4 zeals and a goon defending chal's ramp with one cannon and another one warping.
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Sair goes scouting around, sees Lake's den
Lake attacks with 3 lurks, mass lings!
Taking out photon cannon defenses!
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Lurks and lings break, this looks over.
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Dayam~!! bold move!! GG!!
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Chalrenge unable to hold against lurker/ling and GGs!
OGN 1-1 SKT!
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classic ramp break by lake 8]
congrats on your first win lake!
i can't imagine how good that feels to win your FIRST televised match vs a strong player : ]
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can someone tell me what happened to [z-zone]byun the ogn coach ?
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Really unimpressive play from Chalrenge. He didn't make any attempt whatsoever to scout for two or three minutes after his initial probe died. He'd have died to anything from all-in zerglings to two-hatch hydralisks, and he wouldn't have seen it coming--just like he didn't see this build coming.
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On May 08 2007 03:21 DJEtterStyle wrote:
Really unimpressive play from Chalrenge. He didn't make any attempt whatsoever to scout for two or three minutes after his initial probe died. He'd have died to anything from all-in zerglings to two-hatch hydralisks, and he wouldn't have seen it coming--just like he didn't see this build coming.
he warped 2 cannons right after his first corsair was out.. lakes attacking timing was just too good.. had he attack 10 seconds later, challenge would've blocked that attack easily with 4 cannons 3 zealots and a dragoon
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On May 08 2007 03:23 Ash wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2007 03:21 DJEtterStyle wrote:
Really unimpressive play from Chalrenge. He didn't make any attempt whatsoever to scout for two or three minutes after his initial probe died. He'd have died to anything from all-in zerglings to two-hatch hydralisks, and he wouldn't have seen it coming--just like he didn't see this build coming. he warped 2 cannons right after his first corsair was out.. lakes attacking timing was just too good.. had he attack 10 seconds later, challenge would've blocked that attack easily with 4 cannons 3 zealots and a dragoon
Yeah, and if he'd been diligent in his probe scouting he might have seen the attack coming in time. The earlier you expand PvZ, the harder you have to scout (because you can't pressure due to your low unit count). Chalrenge didn't scout nearly enough, and it probably lost him the game.
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i agree with ash. the timing was so good. T1 players seem to be good at timing rushes
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On May 08 2007 03:27 DJEtterStyle wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2007 03:23 Ash wrote:On May 08 2007 03:21 DJEtterStyle wrote:
Really unimpressive play from Chalrenge. He didn't make any attempt whatsoever to scout for two or three minutes after his initial probe died. He'd have died to anything from all-in zerglings to two-hatch hydralisks, and he wouldn't have seen it coming--just like he didn't see this build coming. he warped 2 cannons right after his first corsair was out.. lakes attacking timing was just too good.. had he attack 10 seconds later, challenge would've blocked that attack easily with 4 cannons 3 zealots and a dragoon Yeah, and if he'd been diligent in his probe scouting he might have seen the attack coming in time. The earlier you expand PvZ, the harder you have to scout (because you can't pressure due to your low unit count). Chalrenge didn't scout nearly enough, and it probably lost him the game.
there is no reason for him to send another probe out for scouting because lake had like what? 6 speed lings outside .. any scouting probe would be eaten like cakes ,he wouldn't be able to scout so there is no point for him to waste probes like that. remember every single mining worker counts in pro level..
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Thanks, y'know for spoiling it for everyone who's only following this match right now.
While that may not be a lot of people, that includes me. Spoiler next time, eh? -_-;;
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BUNNY!!! i want that BUNNY~!!
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On May 08 2007 03:37 Tyrio wrote:Thanks, y'know for spoiling it for everyone who's only following this match right now. While that may not be a lot of people, that includes me assclown. Spoiler next time, eh? -_-;;
yeh, great way by spoiling it by quoting it.
:D
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On May 08 2007 03:37 Tyrio wrote:Thanks, y'know for spoiling it for everyone who's only following this match right now. While that may not be a lot of people, that includes me assclown. Spoiler next time, eh? -_-;;
oops sorry im watching both at the same time. it wont happen again. forgive me~~ please~~ T.T
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Yellow/Zeus <Chariots of Fire> Midas/Gorush
Midas WHITE at 5
Rush BROWN at 10
Yellow YELLOW at 2
Zeus ORANGE at 7
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what was Midas smiling about?
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All players teching.
Rush for muts, Midas for starport for dropping.
Zeus 1gate core into stargate, Yellow also for muts but opts to expo first.
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On May 08 2007 03:33 Ash wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2007 03:27 DJEtterStyle wrote:On May 08 2007 03:23 Ash wrote:On May 08 2007 03:21 DJEtterStyle wrote:
Really unimpressive play from Chalrenge. He didn't make any attempt whatsoever to scout for two or three minutes after his initial probe died. He'd have died to anything from all-in zerglings to two-hatch hydralisks, and he wouldn't have seen it coming--just like he didn't see this build coming. he warped 2 cannons right after his first corsair was out.. lakes attacking timing was just too good.. had he attack 10 seconds later, challenge would've blocked that attack easily with 4 cannons 3 zealots and a dragoon Yeah, and if he'd been diligent in his probe scouting he might have seen the attack coming in time. The earlier you expand PvZ, the harder you have to scout (because you can't pressure due to your low unit count). Chalrenge didn't scout nearly enough, and it probably lost him the game. there is no reason for him to send another probe out for scouting because lake had like what? 6 speed lings outside .. any scouting probe would be eaten like cakes ,he wouldn't be able to scout so there is no point for him to waste probes like that. remember every single mining worker counts in pro level..
You're boggling my mind here. There is always a reason to send out another probe in PvZ. Lake scouted Chalrenge's expansion. Chalrenge knew this. So the typical response on Lake's part would be to take another expansion. If Chalrenge had sent out a probe or two, he would have seen that Lake had not expanded. This would have told him that Lake was either teching or massing. Armed with that information, he would have turtled up. I'll go out on a limb here and say that that information is slightly more important than the extra 80 minerals those probes would have mined.
Further, Lake's zerglings were on his own ramp, and he didn't get ling speed until shortly before the attack. He was teching too quickly to get it before that point.
Lake won the game--and obviously that's commendable--but Chalrenge played like an amateur.
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Midas jumps a vult into Yellow's base. It's caught and killed by speedlings.
Zeus harrasing Rush with a hopped dragoon.
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Midas attempts to MnM drop Zeus, is caught enroute by goons and a sair. Nothing is lost.
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Midas drops Yellw's expo with Rush providing muta backup. Hatch is taken with no losses.
Both zergs exhange blows with mutas.
Zeus attacks Midas with 6 goons! Midas has to pull SCVs, has no defenders.
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Midas with MnM group in Yellows main after he just took out his expo.
Zeus moving into midas with dragoons. SCVs come to fight the goons.
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Yellow defends successfully against Midas and sends in the Mutas to aid Zeus' attack.
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Midas is as good as dead, absolutely nothing left with 8ish goons hammering at his base.
Zeus has a reaver ready.
Rush flying around attempting to harass Zeus. Kills the shuttle and reaver.
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Man how can Midas not expect an attack from Zeus at that point? Wtf such poor play.
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Midas lifting structures, things are not look happy for the teddy bear terran.
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Yellow rebuilds his expo and starts attacking Rush's. Yellow has significantly more muts than Rush.
Midas smiling as he watches his last depots pop.
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GoRush attacking with Mutas @ Zeus' main now, Yellow comes with his mutas to help and fight them off.
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gorush, wtf?!? how he lose his mutas? he couldve taken yarnc down
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Rush GG's as his expo falls.
OGN 2-1 SKT.
We're treated to another embarrasing ceremony from Zeus and Yellow >_>
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Midas is crumbing under Goons, he has exactly a 0% chance of making it to the end of the game alive...
GG!!
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Gorush's micro was horrible and Midas thought it was 2v1. GG.
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SKT really should get a more stable 2v2 team. It's a different combination of 1v1 players every time O_o
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wtf happened to Gorush's mutas?
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On May 08 2007 03:53 One Page Memory wrote:
wtf happened to Gorush's mutas?
Suicided them to scourges.
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I see the coach telling oov, he will give him a banana for the ace match if shudder wins.
Btw, doesn't skt1 do this every season? test out every possible 2v2 combo to see which one works best.
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any more of GoRush, someone has to go beat him.
please replace him with rumble.
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dude what the hell happened to byun? i hate that ogn coach
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oh god TvT...who do u guys think is gonna win? shine or shudder?
3-2 or 2-2 ace? its 4am =/
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come on skt1 you can do it!!
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what im asking is...will shudder win and force ace? or will shine win and make it 3-1?
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holy crap i thought shine was SC_Side for a second there.
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Game 4:
Shine - 1 (red)
Shudder - 7 (purple)
TvT @ Shin Peaks of Baekdu
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its gonna take to 4:30 aleast. altho i am hoping for a SK terran miracle.
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On May 08 2007 04:04 InRaged wrote:It would be miracle, if Shudder wins
miracles can happen~~~ *finger crossed*
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both on same BO, Supply into Rax
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oh~~ proxy~~ if this doesnt work.... oh no
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Proxy factory building for Shudder near 11 position.
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i think its gonna work. it better work
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Factory started now for Shine, but Shudder's will finish first.
Second Proxy fact now for Shudder
Shine expands to nat.
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Three Vultures leave the proxy area and take out Shine's two Vultures, some marines and SCVs copme to finish of the Vultures
Goliaths now entering Shine's Main
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On May 08 2007 04:09 intelinside wrote:miracles can happen~~~ *finger crossed*
ow shii! I see miracle now!
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wow, pimp move from shudder
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On May 08 2007 04:13 InRaged wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2007 04:09 intelinside wrote:On May 08 2007 04:04 InRaged wrote:It would be miracle, if Shudder wins miracles can happen~~~ *finger crossed* ow shii! I see miracle now!
good thing i crossed my fingers!!! lol
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Shine is screwed to hell. I don't see him getting out of this.
GG!
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T1 and there cheeses~~~~~ oh yeah~~
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hmm... I mixed the names up
edit: fixed now, I don't know how I managed that, especially since I started out correctly.
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boxer-oov-midas-canata-Shudder ??
Shudder GJ!!!
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if Ace isnt oov, and if ace dont do any better than this, MVP is shudder's.
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man and u guys didnt believe in shudder LOL
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On May 08 2007 04:15 em.and.m wrote:
man and u guys didnt believe in shudder LOL
but i believed in miracle!!
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Expecting midas or canata for ace.
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rookies always cheese, why won't they understand? >_<
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shudder for ace. he deserves it.
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i hope sparkyz send casy, SK doesn't have any competent protoss.
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gooooooo OGN! ^_^
send out luxury!! :D :D
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On May 08 2007 04:17 intelinside wrote:
shudder for ace. he deserves it.
i dont think cheese taste the same after first serving.
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if sparkyz lose this match, its so bad for them for ranking considering their next game is against Samsung
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I think SKT will send T on Monty
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On May 08 2007 04:18 Aepplet wrote:
i hope sparkyz send casy, SK doesn't have any competent protoss.
Oov, Midas and Canata are all capable of taking casy.
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so many ace matches this season i love it
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VenetianSnares is a good artist
who else do you listen to? ^_^
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GoRush looks pissed off as always
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iloveoov for ace, definitely (considering that Midas is shaky nowadays)...hopefully SKT coach will make the right decision
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On May 08 2007 04:28 pOOwarrior- wrote:
iloveoov for ace, definitely (considering that Midas is shaky nowadays)...hopefully SKT coach will make the right decision
umm midas is 4:0 this season for PL.wut are you basing this on??? MSL>>>?? even with MSL hes 5:2
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On May 08 2007 04:29 intelinside wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2007 04:28 pOOwarrior- wrote:
iloveoov for ace, definitely (considering that Midas is shaky nowadays)...hopefully SKT coach will make the right decision umm midas is 4:0 this season for PL.
i dont think it's against anyone good.
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On May 08 2007 04:29 Vin{MBL} wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2007 04:29 intelinside wrote:On May 08 2007 04:28 pOOwarrior- wrote:
iloveoov for ace, definitely (considering that Midas is shaky nowadays)...hopefully SKT coach will make the right decision umm midas is 4:0 this season for PL. i dont think it's against anyone good.
Bisu?
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But yeah, I wouldn't send Midas. He's too inconsistent these days, and way too naive in his play imho.
edit: and he probably practiced for the 2v2 only.
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can someone else report the ace match, so I can semi-focus on the work I've supposed to have been doing?
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i just want them to decide asap
i gotta get my seepy time 8]
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(Well that's if it actually ends up starting.)
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On May 08 2007 04:30 PoP wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2007 04:29 Vin{MBL} wrote:On May 08 2007 04:29 intelinside wrote:On May 08 2007 04:28 pOOwarrior- wrote:
iloveoov for ace, definitely (considering that Midas is shaky nowadays)...hopefully SKT coach will make the right decision umm midas is 4:0 this season for PL. i dont think it's against anyone good. Bisu?
im an idiot, i just went along with power rank -_-;;
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Midas > Keke, Bisu, Xellos, Boxer.
Oov > Iris.
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what the hell are they doing?
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Just look at Etter's argument in the Power Rank: he's been looking weak in his failed attempt to get into OSL, he's out of MSL in the group stages, and his Proleague wins came against mostly unconvincing opponents.
Believe me, I want to see Midas win a starleague because I think it's a shame that he has such good mechanics and yet has such poor nerves. But right now, he's not the most reliable ace for T1, especially compared to Oov who has been a monster recently.
On top of that, there's his performance today as well; he focused far too much on Yarnc and got punished for it.
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PoP, Day and Haji are my top 3 reporters
Big thanks PoP for all the efforts with LB and the site
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that woman with the camera nearly impales herself every time they show her...
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wow
samsung could have been like 8-0 vs estro if they kept playing t.t
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On May 08 2007 04:33 One Page Memory wrote:PoP, Day and Haji are my top 3 reporters Big thanks PoP for all the efforts with LB and the site
<3
(been a while since I haven't reported tho!)
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i'm sowwie i don't report more t.t
reporting the games is so stressful for me 8]
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fjsldkjgslkafjslkaghsaklfjsa
announce the damn aces already how long can it take t.t
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I just hope they send OOv, cause I want to see cheater terran fighting !
btw, I like shitmat, enduser, bong-ra, aphex twin, autechre, duran duran duran, squarepusher etc to hiphop to house
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agh wtf chalrenge?
wtf? :[
he's going to loooooose!
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well well this will be...interesting
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chalrenge is like 100% going to lose
even before they announced canata chalrenge was 100% doomed :[
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On May 08 2007 04:37 Day[9] wrote:
agh wtf chalrenge?
wtf? :[
he's going to loooooose!
isnt that what we are here to see?
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was looking forward to oov =[
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Chalrenge's having a bad streak these days but he's still 3-0 PvT, and it's Canata's worst matchup, so anything can happen.
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On May 08 2007 04:37 Day[9] wrote:
agh wtf chalrenge?
wtf? :[
he's going to loooooose!
I hope so! I won't stand another ceremony from him! 
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*crossing my fingers* again
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canata always has the nicest records...
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skt1 terran will NEVER be weak at tvp ... NEVER
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canata is the "unbeated" in SKT practice games right? 
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On May 08 2007 04:37 anch wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2007 04:37 Day[9] wrote:
agh wtf chalrenge?
wtf? :[
he's going to loooooose! isnt that what we are here to see?
remember shudder>?? dont say that. he might win. but hopefully not
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canata, the new craterface!!
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anything can happen in this game~
but go Canata, save my bet =o
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oooh, it looks like canata has a couple-ring? i wonder who the gf is...
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tossgirl
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On May 08 2007 04:42 LosingID8 wrote:
oooh, it looks like canata has a couple-ring? i wonder who the gf is...
its casy. midas canata and casy have 3way going on. i think =/
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shit, does it always take this long to decide and start the ace-game????
the whole event has to much "nothing happen", is it always like that?
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but what happens when they play against each other in some kind of crazy 3-player FFA special exhibition tourney?!
the drama will be endless~
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On May 08 2007 04:43 intelinside wrote:
its casy. midas canata and casy have 3way going on. i think =/
ew.
Atleast he is wearing Buddhist beads, that means he doesnt have relation with Jesus.
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On May 08 2007 04:45 pum wrote:
shit, does it always take this long to decide and start the ace-game????
the whole event has to much "nothing happen", is it always like that?
It has a lot to do with players setting up/putting away their keyboard/mouse and getting everything straightened out; making sure everything's in working order etc.
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On April 29 2007 11:32 Rekrul wrote:
Two days before his 3rd/4th place match vs Iris, I spotted Casy outside of a night club probably waiting for some girl.
(He lost 0-3 to Iris)
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if chalrenge loses this, hes gonna lose a lof of faith by his head coach
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chalrenge says a little prayer
yaaay!!! gogo chalrenge!!
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Hey, who said Casy had to be waiting for a girl? =p
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YELLING
NICKELBACK
GAME IS STARTING!
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holy shit it was like an hour between games t.t
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To be honest i'm kinda bored of Monty Hall already =/
The novelty has gone, most games seem kinda non-serious. It's almost too quirky
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game starting
canata top left, chalrenge bottom right
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chal going nexus before gateway
canata going supply, gas, rax
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On May 08 2007 04:49 Resonate wrote:
To be honest i'm kinda bored of Monty Hall already =/
The novelty has gone, most games seem kinda non-serious. It's almost too quirky
yeah monty hall doesn't have "interesting terrain." although the setup is unique, oftentimes the games are just one player getting really unlucky by having his entire army in the wrong alleyway and another counters the main etc etc
now peaks of baekdu? there is a map with awesome terrain 8]
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chal scouting after cheating a probe through minerals
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canata going 2fac :o
chal saw it tho
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ah, canata knew chal saw it and cancelled his second fac
going starport instead
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yay canata!
straight up play!
nananan
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chal has his nat up and running
citadel of adun warping
seems like canata is going for a fast 4 speedvults drop
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On May 08 2007 04:50 Day[9] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2007 04:49 Resonate wrote:
To be honest i'm kinda bored of Monty Hall already =/
The novelty has gone, most games seem kinda non-serious. It's almost too quirky yeah monty hall doesn't have "interesting terrain." although the setup is unique, oftentimes the games are just one player getting really unlucky by having his entire army in the wrong alleyway and another counters the main etc etc
look at the game 1 of KTF recently with Ra vs that protoss. + Show Spoiler +The other guy just didn't seem to care and went for a totally impossible strat right in ra's face then didn't scout at all for the next 5 minutes before dying to DTs. fucking pathetic
Don't get me started on Bisu vs chrh...
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is just me or does this look better for chalrenge??
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templar archives warping
3 vults out, waiting for dropship + 4th vult
chalrenge going proxy DT
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hmm i'm not sure canata has any detection at this point
dropship incoming
canata takes his nat in the meantime
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vult drop did absolutely nothing (DT + goon death though) but canata spotted the DT tech
DT in
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DT killing quite a few SCVs but turret soon up and acad up too
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OMG NO!!! CANATA COME ON!!
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canata is fucking BLIND!
USE YOUR RINE TO KILL THE PROBE SO HE CAN'T DT JUMP THE MINERALS!!!!
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canata barely defending
looking extremely bad for him at this point
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canata is dead
TERRIBLE defense and extreme naivety
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WOW!! chalrenge!!!!!$!@#$%@#
chalrengechalrengechalrengechalrengechalrenge!@!!!!! GJ~!!!
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caanata is getting annihilated
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canata wtf!
he will make a comeback
i promise!
EDIT: damn my stream is lagging XD
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I think this is the worst TvP performance I've seen in a while. Canata is like Midas: he absolutely blows when he's facing non-standard play.
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SKT's virginity runined. The blame goes on for gorush and canata,
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YES chalrenge!
i have faith in you again
i'm glad i voted OGN 8]
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CA10828 Posts
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
On May 08 2007 04:58 PoP wrote:
I think this is the worst TvP performance I've seen in a while. Canata is like Midas: he absolutely blows when he's facing non-standard play. That's not generally true though. Take for example the game on Rush Hour where Pusan went double gate proxy DT vs Midas on Rush Hour.
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cant wait till tom. CJ vs Ace. Boxer Savior first game.
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yakii
Korea (South)1448 Posts
VODs!
OnGameNet vs SKT1
07-05-08 (Tuesday), 18:30 Korea, 02:30 TL.net
Game 1
Luxury[GsP] < Python > KT.MGW)HyuK
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* Luxury(blue) vs HyuK(purple)
Game 2
n.Die_Chalrenge < Nemesis > LaKe[Name]
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Game 3
YellOw[NamE] / Zeus < Chariots of Fire > GoRush / Midas
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* Yarnc(yellow) / Zeus(orange) vs GoRush(brown) / Midas(white)
Game 4
Shine[Name] < Shin Peaks of Baekdu > Shudder_V
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* Shine(red) vs Shudder_V(purple)
Game 5
Ace Match < Monty Hall >
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+ Show Spoiler + * n.Die_Chalrenge < Monty Hall > Canata
Game Result
* All Credit goes to '밥' (Dcinside.com SC Vod Section)
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tyhanks for teh quick vods yakii 
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
And as much as I am an SKT1 fan they really deserved to lose this one. They put a horrible line-up and it would have sucked to see them win anyway just because the game went to ace. Must be the first time in 2 years or so that I voted against SKT1.
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On May 08 2007 05:03 Carnac wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2007 04:58 PoP wrote:
I think this is the worst TvP performance I've seen in a while. Canata is like Midas: he absolutely blows when he's facing non-standard play. That's not generally true though. Take for example the game on Rush Hour where Pusan went double gate proxy DT vs Midas on Rush Hour.
Well I don't precisely recall that game but from what I remember that's mainly because Pusan failed to deal a fatal blow and kept insisting with DTs way too long instead of switching to goons, which would have been crucial.
I'm not saying these players are bad at adapting, just that they're usually looking extremely naive in their play. They pretty much don't see anything non-standard coming, and die if they weren't lucky enough to go for a build which counters it.
Midas' 2v2 game was another good example. Zeus didn't do anything the whole game except harrassing Gorush with a probe. Midas drops 2 DS full of m&m to Yellow while not scouting Zeus at all. Zeus just logically breaks the mineral wall and comes in with about 10 goons, which takes Midas totally off guard even though it was the most obvious thing ever.
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Melbourne5338 Posts
Midas' dropship was there to see a little of Zeus was mining that block too 
It was chased off by goons and corsairs.
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To be fair to Canata, Proxy gate in that location is hard to scout when you haven't mined open your base yet. Also, the DT hop was stopped on the bottom side by a vulture snipe but he didn't expect it from the top side also I guess.
You guys are dumb if you say SKT1 T's suck vs nonstandard play. Do you even remember which Team's terrans were uncheeseable? I mean sure, lately Midas died to a number of proxies and Canata is just weaker TvP than the rest, but every other team's terrans die just as easily early game.
Casy died in 4 minutes to Sheis, Hery died in 2 minutes to Casy, And Sheis died in 8 minutes to Bisu. Short games happen and sometimes it's not really mistakes as much as superior playing from the other.
Chalrenge didn't mess up a single DT hop and his vulture drop defence was sick. You guys look over that like it's nothing and blame Canata's bad play? Well his opening build already set him back vs proxy dt since the DT timing was ridiculously fast and he lost his initial drop vultures and losing those mines for nothing. Plus the timing was right prior Ebay and Acad completion. Canata had a scenario in his head and he was right on most of his reads, Chalrenge just sped his build up to be insanely fast with such a close proxy. If the DT walked across the map, Canata had that game sealed.
Also the PvZ Chalrenge game for example, I disagree with the 2nd probe scout being so slow. If the Z gets the 2nd expo hatch going, the probe can't scout it, and the choke was already blocked. Not to mention it's not uncommon at all to see 3 hatch in base play on Nemesis. I thought Lake just used a very nicely timed ABC build. Next time I hear some talk about Pros being amateur, ~_~ I might have to drive a brick through somebody's head. Make it gory and cool.
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Plus don't forget we obs with maphack on so it's easy to LOL @ comedies.
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On May 08 2007 07:01 SuperJongMan wrote:
To be fair to Canata, Proxy gate in that location is hard to scout when you haven't mined open your base yet. Also, the DT hop was stopped on the bottom side by a vulture snipe but he didn't expect it from the top side also I guess.
You guys are dumb if you say SKT1 T's suck vs nonstandard play. Do you even remember which Team's terrans were uncheeseable? I mean sure, lately Midas died to a number of proxies and Canata is just weaker TvP than the rest, but every other team's terrans die just as easily early game.
Well, Oov has been called uncheesable, and rightfully so (at least at the time). Boxer no idea, but he rarely ever was the one to be cheesed.
... but Midas or Canata, uncheesable? No way. Those guys are the best in the world when it comes to straightup play, but they do look extremely vulnerable to cheese, and, again, pretty naïve most of the time. To be fair, I'm not totally sure about Canata because I haven't seen that much of him. But when it comes to Midas, everytime I see him lose, I basically keep wondering "what the HELL was he thinking?".
Three random, recent examples:
- again, today he basically totally forgot about ZeuS -- I don't see any other possible explanation ;
- few days ago, he seemed actually convinced TT would play a straightup PvT ;
- ~1 month (?) ago, vs Anytime, he didn't scout at all yet didn't get any detection against the proclaimed mister Dark Templar.
I could find older examples just as easily, like that game vs Savior where the latter basically expo'ed several times at really weird spots. Midas kept scouting the same, empty expo spots over and over, probably thinking Savior only had his nat. Then Savior rolled over him with 4 gas eco.
I'm probably making this a bigger deal than it actually is, but that's something I don't see (or, at least, so rarely) with players like Boxer, Nada or Oov, who tend to plan ahead in a clearly smarter way most of the time.
Oh and by the way don't get me wrong, I'm a T1 fan and I like Midas a lot. That's even probably the reason why I'm so critical.
Casy died in 4 minutes to Sheis, Hery died in 2 minutes to Casy, And Sheis died in 8 minutes to Bisu. Short games happen and sometimes it's not really mistakes as much as superior playing from the other.
Didn't watch those games, so dunno. I don't want to take away from Chalrenge's build and execution which where absolutely flawless. I'm just saying Canata would have died against any kind of DT build today, and even *far* earlier had Chalrenge gone for 1 base DT instead of fast expanding first.
Canata had a scenario in his head and he was right on most of his reads, Chalrenge just sped his build up to be insanely fast with such a close proxy. If the DT walked across the map, Canata had that game sealed.
What if Chalrenge went straight DT then?
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
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Canata vs PuSan on Rush Hour I think, not Midas?
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is it just me or the small vods all cut off at around 2 minutes. ??
ok nvm, i think it screws up if u dl more than one at a time
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wow that's really impressive from OGN
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can anyone recommend some games from today's proleague ? ;]
btw, who is this guy on the last pic, 3rd from left.
He reminds me young Boxer xD
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If Chalrenge went DT first, I don't think the vulture drop would have gone at all.
The DT's would arrive and 4 vultures would have been lying around.. completely changes the game.
Zeus crushing Midas wasn't so much him being cheesable as Midas being a bad candidate for 2v2 -_-;;
TT vs Midas, I mean, who knows? The game was proxy gate vs no rax CC. That's losing rock paper scissors. ~_~
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The game vs TT was losing rock paper scissors but his opponent was kind enough to hint at his choice of rock first by his "cheese style". Midas decided to pick scissors anyway. It's surprising that we can predict TT's strategy better than Midas, who plays this game 12 hours a day.
Midas could go so much further if he'd stop shooting himself in the foot doing things like CC first vs. cheesetoss or picking Savior twice.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
holy crap I am getting my ass kicked in liquidbet.
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On May 08 2007 10:34 SuperJongMan wrote:
If Chalrenge went DT first, I don't think the vulture drop would have gone at all.
The DT's would arrive and 4 vultures would have been lying around.. completely changes the game.
That's right, but he hadn't layed any mines around his main so he'd have been vulnerable even with 4 vults imho. Defending with spider mines is OK if you know it's coming, but if you don't, it's extremely risky. If DTs get around the CC and the SCVs, it's often too late.
Zeus crushing Midas wasn't so much him being cheesable as Midas being a bad candidate for 2v2 -_-;;
It wasn't even cheese. Just total carelessness, imo. Agreed that he's not the best 2v2er around, though.
TT vs Midas, I mean, who knows? The game was proxy gate vs no rax CC. That's losing rock paper scissors. ~_~
More like, knowing your opponent is gonna throw scissors, yet still throw paper. :/
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On May 08 2007 10:44 nova_442 wrote:
The game vs TT was losing rock paper scissors but his opponent was kind enough to hint at his choice of rock first by his "cheese style". Midas decided to pick scissors anyway. It's surprising that we can predict TT's strategy better than Midas, who plays this game 12 hours a day.
Ahah, you beat me to it.
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
On May 08 2007 08:29 Elsi wrote:
Canata vs PuSan on Rush Hour I think, not Midas? No.
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Also dont forget that Chalrenge on this map actually managed to lose to the two worst players in proleague - Hoony & Soo.
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if soo is one of the worst then what does that make reach, who he beat?
Soo's 3-1, that's gotta be some low quality shit you're smoking.
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