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RJGooner
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2076 Posts
May 27 2017 16:30 GMT
#521
On May 28 2017 01:13 endy wrote:
fuck Shine
Flash is going to 3-0 him in 40 minutes in finals.


Gonna be hard to do that from the 3rd place match
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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
May 27 2017 16:37 GMT
#522
Damn, just caught up watching this.

Time to cheer for Shine to win this thing. ;>
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
May 27 2017 16:54 GMT
#523
On May 27 2017 23:42 Peeano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2017 21:58 c3rberUs wrote:
Looking at the results. Wow. Just wow.

Why would you do that? If there was any series to watch unspoiled it would have been this one. :\
(Even I'm short on time I'd rather slideshow the VOD than check the results.)

I wanted to know the result so badly and I did watch major parts of game 2. But don't get me wrong though, you're absolutely right. ^_^
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WhiteKnight.US
Profile Joined May 2014
Great Britain102 Posts
May 27 2017 17:06 GMT
#524
I felt like this series pretty much summed up how boring 1v1 PvZ is. It's like Protoss can't both defend against Hydra bust and fast drops.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-27 18:13:04
May 27 2017 17:13 GMT
#525
Wow, this series took me through a turn. I like them both so I wasn't hardcore about either one of them winning, but Bisu losing his corsairs to nothing several games just hurt. edit: oh he literally said he had a cold and was out walking late at night and got sick / didn't sleep. That makes a lot of sense. Man Bisu is a sensitive boy, Shine really has his number.

Bisu barely even survived game 1, just because shine didn't micro his hydra at all vs the reaver. The other games, you know shine brought good strategy and played well and made good overall decisions, Bisu lost the games more than Shine won them. You just can't lose one corsair after another like that.

Hard series to watch, a lot less fun than Shine vs Mong. More like wtf is wrong with you Bisu this time. Other than losing corsairs he didn't do much wrong, but like... at no point did I feel Shine was in trouble. He won the coinflip scout on Outsider, bad luck, but the other games there wasn't much excuse. I know lots of other Protoss lose their corsairs like scrubs, but you don't really expect that from Bisu, and it's not like Shine was super awesome with his scourge, he was just doing basic stay-away-from-my-overlords scourge.

Nice drops anyway for Shine. No defence against it if you can't keep your corsair count. Besides cut everything and build nothing but cannons I guess.

I felt like this series pretty much summed up how boring 1v1 PvZ is. It's like Protoss can't both defend against Hydra bust and fast drops.

You just need to watch some of the great PvZs of progaming. There's nothing boring about this matchup, you just can't rush to a unit and donate it for nothing. Any matchup including mirrors are susceptible to that.
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
May 27 2017 17:36 GMT
#526
rofl, Shine vs Soulkey finals

Shine somehow carries over his bizarre sc2 record against Soulkey and wins.
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Kaolla
Profile Joined January 2003
China2999 Posts
May 27 2017 17:58 GMT
#527
On May 28 2017 01:13 endy wrote:
fuck Shine
Flash is going to 3-0 him in 40 minutes in finals.


Whaaaaat Endy what's wrong with Shine??? Oh I forgot, you are like the #1 Bisu fan :D
Hope you're doing alright there though~ I loved these games... Love some non-standard play~
its me
NickHotS
Profile Joined May 2014
United States105 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-27 18:19:00
May 27 2017 18:18 GMT
#528
Was anyone surprised about this result when Bisu was in Shine's bracket? shit was destiny... good for Shine.
Esp1noza
Profile Joined September 2003
Russian Federation481 Posts
May 27 2017 18:34 GMT
#529
Is there going to be 3rd place match?? There wasn't in ASL1 and ASL2.
BroodWar forever
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-27 18:51:21
May 27 2017 18:45 GMT
#530
Oh man Shine played the series great. That Andromeda game was sick as well. I really want Shine to win this tournament, but I have no idea how he'll beat Flash. I would like Soulkey to beat Flash, but Flash's TvZ is insanely good so I don't have my hopes up.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Spyfire242
Profile Joined March 2009
United States715 Posts
May 27 2017 18:46 GMT
#531
You know what, literally every time shine has come up to bat in this tournament I said "Okay this is as far as he gets, he should lose now." I said that in RO24, RO16, RO8, RO4, and here he is... In the finals, and still every part of me is thinking he's gonna take home the silver medal, part of me really hopes he proves me wrong and royal roads this. Predicting a clean Flash victory over SK and Shine however.
Entusman #55 Spyfire242!
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
May 27 2017 18:54 GMT
#532
On May 27 2017 20:55 RowdierBob wrote:
Let's put it out there: Bisu has always been overrated. He has oustanding mechanics but lacks in the more cerebral part of the game.

Come at me.


I dunno, 3 major titles and a 65% career WR combined with being the only protoss ever over 60% vZ...I think it's hard to overrate that.

If people were trying to claim Bisu as best all time SC player, or put him on same tier as FlaSh I'd be right there with you, but there is no argument against Bisu being the best protoss of all time.

What do you feel is overrated about Bisu?
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
May 27 2017 19:06 GMT
#533
On May 27 2017 21:25 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2017 21:21 BisuDagger wrote:
Just remembered if Flash loses he would be playing Bisu in a bo5. Now I'm cheering for Soulkey even harder lol.

Why would I want to see another utterly one sides 3-0 from Flash?

Bisu vs Flash would be great if both were at their peak.

Bisu obviously is not.


Bisu has been on a tear until Shine to be honest. His stats in sponmatches and other such have been absolutely off the charts. I don't know is Shine was just in his head, but Bisu sure seemed to choke hard here. Overall he seems to be in the form of his (post KeSPA) life

On May 27 2017 22:59 CoL_DarkstaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2017 22:56 B-royal wrote:
Feels SO GOOD MAN. If it was Bisu vs Flash finals I wouldn't even watch because I think PvT is boring as hell.
Now we're getting a ZvZ or a ZvT, so hyped!



What the hell, a ZvZ finals is the worst nightmare.


Huh?

ZvZ is a fine match up. It might not be TvZ, but it's some of the most tense, tactical stuff out there.

On May 28 2017 02:06 WhiteKnight.US wrote:
I felt like this series pretty much summed up how boring 1v1 PvZ is. It's like Protoss can't both defend against Hydra bust and fast drops.


It's impossible to do....when you show control that looks not too different from a C ranked ICCup player with your corsairs.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
Trillwill
Profile Joined May 2017
18 Posts
May 27 2017 19:15 GMT
#534
Wow what a series. Not really surprised at the result as Shine has always had Bisu's number in individual leagues, but it was disappointing how Bisu played. Nevertheless, Shine keeps coming prepared and keeps earning his wins. You can tell he really wants this title. Rooting for him to take it all.
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
May 27 2017 19:36 GMT
#535
On May 28 2017 03:34 Esp1noza wrote:
Is there going to be 3rd place match?? There wasn't in ASL1 and ASL2.

yes there will be!
This is our town, scrub
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
May 27 2017 19:36 GMT
#536
yeah rekt
protoss looks weak as hell against zerg
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FusionCutter
Profile Joined October 2004
Canada974 Posts
May 27 2017 19:42 GMT
#537
Edge of the seat series for me.

Really interesting how Shine played, he played fantastic! Years of observing Bisu literally he just have gotten thinking of strategies and timings to defeat him.

Truly great Starcraft here.

Most likely he will face Flash in the finals, wondering what "bag of builds" he will have against God.

While I want to believe in Shine, guessing a 3-0 Flash victory.
mauwee
Profile Joined August 2013
Vatican City State78 Posts
May 27 2017 19:54 GMT
#538
What an awesome series! Hope Flash wins so we can see some of those crazy ZvT builds out of Shine!
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Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4436 Posts
May 27 2017 19:56 GMT
#539
Meh. Compared to what I know Bisu's capable of, he didn't play very well. Lots of bad little decisions or micro mistakes. But Shine played with great motivation. Good strategies and powerful execution.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
DarkNetHunter
Profile Joined October 2012
1224 Posts
May 27 2017 20:01 GMT
#540
Interesting series.

I feel like Shine made very good build choices and executed them as best he could. However as others have echoed, Bisu was extremely uncharacteristically sloppy.
His probe/zealot/corsair micro were all subpar to his usual self and his multitasking felt non existent (only one battle going on, loses bunch of sairs elsewhere to unmicroed units, compared to his usual ability to micro 3-4 different engagements at the same time).

I think overall Shine deserved this win for showing some really inspired thinking, Bisu was relying on mechanics he didn't seem to have due to him being ill or whatever. (Compare to his sick dragoon micro vs Ssak).

Anyway my prediction, if SK can upset Flash then Shine can win the tournament, if SK gets destroyed by Flash then I assume Flash > Shine. You can't out think God

Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make them all yourself.
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