EPTOn May 27 2017 22:12 Bisu-Fan wrote:
watch the games and you'll be even more wow on many levels....
watch the games and you'll be even more wow on many levels....
Probably, I only managed to catch some of game 2 before having to leave again.
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c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
Probably, I only managed to catch some of game 2 before having to leave again. | ||
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B-royal
Belgium1330 Posts
Now we're getting a ZvZ or a ZvT, so hyped! | ||
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CoL_DarkstaR
Germany649 Posts
On May 27 2017 22:56 B-royal wrote: Feels SO GOOD MAN. If it was Bisu vs Flash finals I wouldn't even watch because I think PvT is boring as hell. Now we're getting a ZvZ or a ZvT, so hyped! What the hell, a ZvZ finals is the worst nightmare. | ||
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Adan Idhren
Korea (South)11 Posts
On May 27 2017 22:45 gamapg wrote: Being a bisu fan is an abusive relationship...  It hurts so much, but I'm going to stay bisu, despite all the tears you make me cry out.... Yeah... but not just Bisu, it applies to ALL the Protoss players, being the most unstable race... | ||
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Zealgoon
China187 Posts
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Broodwar4lyf
304 Posts
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
slits wrists | ||
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LRM)TechnicS
Bulgaria1565 Posts
On May 27 2017 18:28 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: shine 3-1 bisu Very nice prediction there, eon! | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6999 Posts
thanks,i gonna admit shine playstyle wasnt really my prediction.(i wasnt expecting 3h hydra bust either,i see everyone here saying shine the only he does is this strat but if you want every single game of him vs bisu he used this build 1 time,there are some crazy games like the one where bisu killed his third but shine killed bisu with mutas.) | ||
Peeano
Netherlands5630 Posts
On May 27 2017 21:58 c3rberUs wrote: Looking at the results. Wow. Just wow. Why would you do that? If there was any series to watch unspoiled it would have been this one. :\ (Even I'm short on time I'd rather slideshow the VOD than check the results.) | ||
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B-royal
Belgium1330 Posts
On May 27 2017 23:16 Broodwar4lyf wrote: Before replays and Vods came out, people played like Shine, which made Boxer really stand out from the rest. Since then people played like worse versions of TBLS so that alone is the reason why they are on top, Shine is really on to something here and I haven't seen this much tactical precision since Boxer. I believe him when he says he plans for every game differently, he will make you play your worst it seems, Bisu never had anything going except game 1,where Shine made an error and botched his overlord control a bit and that 2gate in the last game. The concept of having cut and dried meta for matchups is being questioned, and it's makign a lot of people uncomfortable since these strats we're seeing have been swept under the rug as being detrimental to one's long term game. Remember Shine didn't even need an early 3rd to beat Flash in the final game of team battle, something all the top zergs died trying to get to. Which shine vs flash game are you talking about? I only know about soulkey vs flash in the ASL team battle. | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
Old school builds, crazy new builds, awesome games! | ||
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Xenocide_Knight
Korea (South)2625 Posts
On May 27 2017 23:42 Peeano wrote: Why would you do that? If there was any series to watch unspoiled it would have been this one. :\ (Even I'm short on time I'd rather slideshow the VOD than check the results.) Er, are you complaining about spoilers in the LR? Pretty much every other post is a spoiler | ||
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Cryoc
Germany912 Posts
On May 28 2017 00:34 Xenocide_Knight wrote: Er, are you complaining about spoilers in the LR? Pretty much every other post is a spoiler He is not complaining about spoilers, he wrote that he would rather watch parts of the games instead of just checking the results if he has no time. | ||
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blabber
United States4448 Posts
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Broodwar4lyf
304 Posts
On May 27 2017 23:53 B-royal wrote: Which shine vs flash game are you talking about? I only know about soulkey vs flash in the ASL team battle. sorry i meant soulkey got carried away lol | ||
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ortseam
996 Posts
On May 27 2017 23:16 Broodwar4lyf wrote: Remember Shine didn't even need an early 3rd to beat Flash in the final game of team battle, something all the top zergs died trying to get to. That was Soulkey, and he did take and barely hold his 3rd that game, and he played standard macro long game overall. What I'm really interested in, is to see how Flash deals with the hydra guardian build which Mong failed against twice (completely aware of what's coming the 2nd time), and any possible adjustments from Shine. | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
Flash is going to 3-0 him in 40 minutes in finals. | ||
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HaFnium
United Kingdom1078 Posts
On May 27 2017 23:16 Broodwar4lyf wrote: Before replays and Vods came out, people played like Shine, which made Boxer really stand out from the rest. Since then people played like worse versions of TBLS so that alone is the reason why they are on top, Shine is really on to something here and I haven't seen this much tactical precision since Boxer. I believe him when he says he plans for every game differently, he will make you play your worst it seems, Bisu never had anything going except game 1,where Shine made an error and botched his overlord control a bit and that 2gate in the last game. The concept of having cut and dried meta for matchups is being questioned, and it's makign a lot of people uncomfortable since these strats we're seeing have been swept under the rug as being detrimental to one's long term game. Remember Shine didn't even need an early 3rd to beat Flash in the final game of team battle, something all the top zergs died trying to get to. the map plays a big role as well. both outsider and andromeda arent your standard maps and that suits shine massively | ||
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LRM)TechnicS
Bulgaria1565 Posts
Game 1: Shine picked a relatively risky strategy. Bisu's play was really clean. Shine's only possible chance of winning was positioning that overlord that Bisu scouted first with his 1st corsair somewhere closer to the hydras - just in case. Yes, Shine didn't split hydras too well later, but still, at that point it was over. Game 2: Bisu loses his first two corsairs - this was pretty big already. Terrible on Bisu's behalf scouting a finished spire and chasing close to impossible overlord kills. Later on Bisu pulling probes with reavers vs the 1st hydra drop was really nice but reaver scarabs bugging was not. Shine actually making a huge mistake afterwards to not snipe that main nexus of Bisu and Bisu proceeding with nice defence. At the 57:25 mark of the YouTube cast it looked like Bisu is still way behind having but still looking better than at 53:20 which was a pretty nice executed survival on his part. Later on I think Bisu picked wrongfully the left side of the map to go with his sair/2shuttle reaver army, he lost time to kill a drone and a ling and i really think going to the right side to drop on Shine's natural quickly might have been better. Still Shine had huge advantage and I don't think Bisu would have closed the gap wherever he went as Shine was already taking bases everywhere. Game 3: Bisu loses his first two corsairs - pretty huge already. Again, really terrible on Bisu's behalf. This time the 2nd corsair that he lost was due to his bad starport positioning which wasn't protected by the cannon. Shine exploits this to the max and pretty much kills him with the mutas. Later on Bisu having questionable small battles. At this point if I was Bisu I would wonder - how do I put myself in such a terrible spot vs this guy two games in a row? Game 4: I like the build that Bisu used. + Show Spoiler + Actually I would be interested on some progamer protosses sharing why they refuse to go forge-expansion on this map. I would have expected much more from a more relaxed Bisu but still credits go to Shine for his really clean play here. | ||
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