EPTOn September 10 2016 20:11 ne4aJIb wrote:
First game was good, the rest is total crap.
First game was good, the rest is total crap.
Yeah first game was good, rest was meh.
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Yeah first game was good, rest was meh. | ||
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Race Bannon
689 Posts
On September 10 2016 20:16 The_Red_Viper wrote: Yeah first game was good, rest was meh. + Show Spoiler [spoiler] + Why-o why did he cancel the turret. In the first game it was masterful economy micromanagement, but in the last game the amount of minerals salvaged was not worth it. Huge blunder he'll be hating himself for. The reaver connect was crucial for shuttle to warrant his tech choice, and lol did he get that. The attack on sharp's 3rd was superlatively executed and sealed the deal. Fortune favors the bold but not the greedyness-kind. GG | ||
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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
On September 10 2016 19:26 feckless wrote: Maybe I'm alone here, but I think this was a pretty lackluster finals. I'm not saying it wasn't fun, just lackluster. I think despite some sloppiness Shuttle's play was amazing, and equally amazing to watch. And, of course, 3-0 blowouts are fun to watch in their own ways. But IMHO, and I'm not trying to disparage Sharp's effort or his dedication, he was way out of his league here, which could be one reason why Shuttle looked so bloody amazing. I commend Sharp for making it so far, as with Shuttle (lord knows we need different faces making it deeper in these tournaments). But I think he's fortunate to have even made it to the finals, because in my opinion he had no place in it. I think part of the reason is that he gets matched up with so many Terran players (the Terran roster is pretty stacked, so he probably gets plenty of practice, too), not to mention his group was the easiest of the bunch (no offense to those Group B players). His vT is impressive enough, and it's probably nice that he's been able to ride that wave deep into these tournaments. But his vP is sorely lacking. (Hell, I think if Jaehoon had somehow inexplicably managed to make it to these finals he would have had a good chance of winning.) Even in the first game, playing safe, he turtled a bit too long (while Shuttle bought time), and when he finally moved out, he got wiped off the battlefield. Shuttle's control of the games, along with his deeper strategic play and preparedness, his economic command, superior map control, and tactical prowess, completely shut down Sharp to the point where he had no answer to anything Shuttle threw at him. I'm really curious as to why anyone would have thought Sharp had a chance in this series (other than some emotional longing), especially if you also consider that his competition was the guy that 3-1'ed Last (widely considered to be the current best player, the AlphaGo). Anyway... Having said all that, congratulations still go to Shuttle on a deserved, dominating win. I agree with most of your points. TvP is certainly not Sharps strong point. And not on the level of flash's or last's. Sometimes, there are finals that are blowouts. That's life. But to say he had no place in the final is just a huge pile of bullshit. He advanced in his group and won all knock out rounds afterwards. Therefore, he did deserve to be in the finals. It's that easy. Sure, he had some luck in the MUs before, but tournament play always involves a bit of luck. But to say he didn't deserve to be there just because the final happens to be his worst MU and his opponent is extremely strong in it is just not fair to sharp. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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outscar
2832 Posts
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B-royal
Belgium1330 Posts
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RealityIsKing
613 Posts
On September 10 2016 23:28 B-royal wrote: Zerg makes for the best finals imo. ZvP and ZvT are both insanely good match-ups. Maybe it's because I don't play it myself, but I don't like TvP all that much. Honestly Sharp played like crap though. He had no follow up to any of his plans. When his strat didn't go to what he had in mind, he couldn't adapt at all. When it was Sea vs Sharp, it was more of a game where Sea lost than Sharp won. When Sea got a huge advantage with his wraith, the key is to transition that into ground army. It was a calculated mistake where no matter how much wraith you have, you can't stop 1 full group control of Tanks before it takes out your Command Center. Shuttle just let his experience take over and Sharp just fell completely apart. | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3123 Posts
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KobraKay
Portugal4233 Posts
Maybe I'm just happy to be able to see a BW finals in a large outdoor venue after all these years but the games seemed fun to me (although not perfect of course). | ||
prech
United States2948 Posts
On September 10 2016 19:10 Ilikestarcraft wrote: Kind of funny how Shuttle was considered the punching bag of the tournament at the group selection ceremony and he ended up getting first place. So very true, so many stickers during selection  | ||
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Xeln4g4
Italy1209 Posts
Ok, game 2 ... another stomp! P now 2-0 in great style ... stream lasting 5 hours though.... i am starting to get worried ... dramatic ending in sight? Great plays, the one who dared most, WON!!! | ||
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konadora
Singapore66358 Posts
Shuttle played so well, I was sure Sharp was going to win that first game but after getting half his army caught out in the middle with no mines or sieged tanks.. man what a reversal! Sharp.. I think he just mentally fell apart after game 2, he kept defending but he had literally no comeback to depend on. Shuttle constantly traded equally with Sharp, leaving Sharp no time to be able to slowly amass surviving units from each defense into one large 2/1 or 3/2 push. Shuttle also expanded aggressively when he could, he constantly out-expanded Sharp by at least 2 bases for every game lol. While 3-0 is disappointing I admit, the games were pretty fun to watch and kept me glued to till then. Hoping for more exposure and support for ASL in the future  | ||
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Little-Chimp
Canada948 Posts
On September 10 2016 21:23 nojok wrote: I'v been punished for not watching it live, the vod's length spoiled me the result after the end of game 1. Shuttle was a far better player, still very interesting to watch, shuttle decision making was very interesting. yeah I wish they would cut it up into 5 vods and make the last 2 just have a message saying series over or something. | ||
Peeano
Netherlands5203 Posts
On September 11 2016 04:22 Little-Chimp wrote: yeah I wish they would cut it up into 5 vods and make the last 2 just have a message saying series over or something. If the games get uploaded individually you would still occasionally spoil the game if you take note of the length of the VOD. Just go full screen asap after you load the VOD. Now if you're impatient and start skipping then I understand it's easy to get spoiled. ASL only uploaded content as a whole and I opted to post VODs asap with each 2 different sources to avoid TL getting spammed with people asking when the VODs will be up. It is a whole lot more work to post it game by game (especially if I were to do so for all 6 sources), but since I hate getting spoiled, I will keep it in mind for the future. | ||
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outscar
2832 Posts
On September 11 2016 04:58 Peeano wrote: If the games get uploaded individually you would still occasionally spoil the game if you take note of the length of the VOD. Just go full screen asap after you load the VOD. Now if you're impatient and start skipping then I understand it's easy to get spoiled. ASL only uploaded content as a whole and I opted to post VODs asap with each 2 different sources to avoid TL getting spammed with people asking when the VODs will be up. It is a whole lot more work to post it game by game (especially if I were to do so for all 6 sources), but since I hate getting spoiled, I will keep it in mind for the future. I watched Twitch VOD which was 5 hours because they didn't end stream after BW was over and continue with GSL. | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands5203 Posts
On September 11 2016 05:12 outscar wrote: I watched Twitch VOD which was 5 hours because they didn't end stream after BW was over and continue with GSL. That's unfortunate. When I posted that VOD, it was actually only the ASL final. I guess they still merged the broadcasts in the end. (The reason I didn't post a 2nd source for the Korean VOD was because it has ASL and GSL merged.) | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4233 Posts
On September 11 2016 05:36 Peeano wrote: That's unfortunate. When I posted that VOD, it was actually only the ASL final. I guess they still merged the broadcasts in the end. (The reason I didn't post a 2nd source for the Korean VOD was because it has ASL and GSL merged.) But that's good...you don't get spoiled by the length. Granted for people with DL limits that might be a problem but at least for me it would have been better to get the 5h one, after game 2 I knew it would be a 3-1 at best due to the amount of time remaining. | ||
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feckless
1099 Posts
On September 10 2016 21:05 Keniji wrote: I agree with most of your points. TvP is certainly not Sharps strong point. And not on the level of flash's or last's. Sometimes, there are finals that are blowouts. That's life. But to say he had no place in the final is just a huge pile of bullshit. He advanced in his group and won all knock out rounds afterwards. Therefore, he did deserve to be in the finals. It's that easy. Sure, he had some luck in the MUs before, but tournament play always involves a bit of luck. But to say he didn't deserve to be there just because the final happens to be his worst MU and his opponent is extremely strong in it is just not fair to sharp. I never said there aren't 3-0 blowouts. Read my post again. I said they're fun to watch in their own ways. Sometimes watching dominating performances is as fun for me as slugfests. I also never said Sharp didn't "deserve" to be there. "Deserve"'s got nothing to do with it. I've said it before and I'll say it again, he was very very fortunate that the field is so Terran-heavy, and that he got placed in the weakest group (that he still had to play tiebreakers to get out of), because who's to say where he would have ended up otherwise. He got to where he got to, so good for him. Shuttle, on the other hand, had to contend in a group with EffOrt and free and took out Last on his way to the finals. Let me put it this way: based on yesterday's performances, I think if you put Sharp in front of any top Protoss, the result is still the same; any other Protoss and there's a good chance he loses. On the other hand, put any other Terran in front of Shuttle, and they would most likely lose. That's how dominating his performance was; that's how deserving his win. On September 10 2016 22:34 outscar wrote: I don't agree with feckless. Jesus, Shuttle's play is so perfect - timings are exact, great micro with outsanding macro, bulletproof defense. Hell, not counting how hard and stacked this tournament was, even premilinaries were cancer - he did it! I don't know what to say... In other hand Sea could've shown better finals. Except you're not disagreeing with anything I'm saying. Because I said Shuttle's play was amazing and his win was deserved. | ||
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Shana
Indonesia1814 Posts
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M2
Bulgaria4132 Posts
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