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Casters & Hosts
Streams
twitch TV (Tasteless and Artosis)
ASL Youtube Channel with both English and Korean Stream
Matchups
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Results
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[ASL] Ro16 Day 4
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
twitch TV (Tasteless and Artosis) ASL Youtube Channel with both English and Korean Stream + Show Spoiler [Group B] + + Show Spoiler [Group C] + + Show Spoiler [Group D] + | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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prech
United States2948 Posts
Mong needs a win today, else he and  BeSt are goners :/Hoping  sSak takes this over Shuttle so group A'll be all tied at 1-1. Let's go tie-breakers! | ||
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Probemicro
3708 Posts
If Jaehoon wins today, he and Sharp will be assured the Ro8 spots likewise if hero wins today, he will go through to the Ro8 with Last. | ||
c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
Rooting for the potential tiebreakers | ||
Peeano
Netherlands4990 Posts
Also: http://i.imgur.com/t4zq3iK.jpg Let me fix that for you + Show Spoiler + It has been annoying me for too long! | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands4990 Posts
Shuttle > sSuk PianO < Jaehoon Flash > Sea Mong > hero Mind: Shuttle < sSak PianO < Jaehoon Flash > Sea Mong < hero | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On July 26 2016 14:12 Peeano wrote: Polls don't show well in that fancy blue in the OP. you say bug, I say feature, just highlight it when you want to read it. | ||
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Bakuryu
Germany1065 Posts
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
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Grettin
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On July 26 2016 15:42 TheNewEra wrote: Easy for Shuttle and Sea shuttle can't PvT | ||
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radadaundandan
Bulgaria3148 Posts
PianO < Jaehoon Flash >>> Sea Mong <<< hero | ||
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ZeroChrome
Canada1001 Posts
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
Sea was never good at TvT and especially Flash. Given his awful performance in later games I suppose it will be a roflstomp match. | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On July 26 2016 17:38 radadaundandan wrote: Shuttle > sSak PianO < Jaehoon Flash >>> Sea Mong <<< hero My thoughts exactly | ||
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Wrath
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19239 Posts
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dangots0ul
United States919 Posts
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radadaundandan
Bulgaria3148 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19239 Posts
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ortseam
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radadaundandan
Bulgaria3148 Posts
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19239 Posts
Heart Picks: Shuttle, Jaehoon, Sea, Mong (I do want hero through, but I want BeSt more) Head Picks: sSak, Organ, Flash, hero | ||
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atrox_
United Kingdom1710 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
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coolprogrammingstuff
906 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
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thopol
Japan4560 Posts
On July 26 2016 19:05 Chrispy wrote: I don't like the bo1 format but I damn sure like this tournament! It's the same as OSL isn't it? Just a different schedule. | ||
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atrox_
United Kingdom1710 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On July 26 2016 19:06 thopol wrote: It's the same as OSL isn't it? Just a different schedule. same as OSL, same schedule too, Bo3s would take 4 hours minimum, nobody got time for that. | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24580 Posts
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xboi209
United States1173 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On July 26 2016 19:12 xboi209 wrote: The Twitch.tv stream is subscriber-only chat, booo. Let's go Youtube: https://gaming.youtube.com/watch?v=a_3a0h1uIaM join TL discord. | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24580 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On July 26 2016 19:13 Heartland wrote: Is this really artosis casting? don't be silly, artosis can't grow facial hair, its wolf. | ||
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
On July 26 2016 19:14 BLinD-RawR wrote: don't be silly, artosis can't grow facial hair, its wolf. LOL XP | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24580 Posts
On July 26 2016 19:14 BLinD-RawR wrote: don't be silly, artosis can't grow facial hair, its wolf. I got all confused because I didn't recognize Wolf's voice at first | ||
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Scaramanga
Australia8090 Posts
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coolprogrammingstuff
906 Posts
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Heartland
Sweden24580 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
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BLinD-RawR
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On July 26 2016 19:19 Heartland wrote: So what's the VOD situation for all of this? vods will be available within minutes of the broadcast on the ASL youtube channel https://gaming.youtube.com/channel/UCK5eBtuoj_HkdXKHNmBLAXg | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24580 Posts
On July 26 2016 19:22 BLinD-RawR wrote: vods will be available within minutes of the broadcast on the ASL youtube channel https://gaming.youtube.com/channel/UCK5eBtuoj_HkdXKHNmBLAXg Thanks | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
This is one of those rare games where toss just straight ctrl+a into the terran main... | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
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Heartland
Sweden24580 Posts
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[17]Purple
United Kingdom3489 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
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coolprogrammingstuff
906 Posts
On July 26 2016 19:26 [17]Purple wrote: how long was this a 4 base vs 5 base in favour of protoss? poor sSak that's pretty fine for tvp in bw, if anything T favoured. Just the constant duress and bad engagements withering his army was the main detriment. | ||
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coolprogrammingstuff
906 Posts
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atrox_
United Kingdom1710 Posts
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
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gngfn
United States1726 Posts
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feckless
1099 Posts
Faked left. Attacked straight into an unsieged, unmined Terran army. | ||
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Scaramanga
Australia8090 Posts
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
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coolprogrammingstuff
906 Posts
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gngfn
United States1726 Posts
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On July 26 2016 19:29 BLinD-RawR wrote: ahh well shuttle finally remembering he doesn't know how to PvT. at least he knows how to spam units | ||
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gngfn
United States1726 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
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[17]Purple
United Kingdom3489 Posts
Edit: The volume of beards in this cast is too much, hnng | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On the other hand Ssak somehow wins, probably due to 3-2 upgrades and the fact that Shuttle is just as bad. | ||
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quirinus
Croatia2489 Posts
Where is Rapid? I love Wolf too, though. Too bad it's sub-only chat... just 3-4 subs talking and 4k people watchig silently. XD | ||
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Wrath
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gngfn
United States1726 Posts
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quirinus
Croatia2489 Posts
On July 26 2016 19:33 gngfn wrote: One thing I miss about the overlay is the ability to see if one player is floating a lot of resources. Shuttle's macro felt weak for a Protoss on 6 bases. Shuttle's macro was fine, it's that he suicided his units one too many times. | ||
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
Also ffs the Twitch Chat is still in GSL subscriber mode. It's a mess. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19239 Posts
On July 26 2016 19:32 [17]Purple wrote: wolf must feel good being the only guy to bet on sSak Edit: The volume of beards in this cast is too much, hnng Hey, I picked sSak to win too! | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6590 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On July 26 2016 19:35 Ciryandor wrote: Shuttle's macro's always been a weakness of his, also it's like he never produced a lot of probes. Also ffs the Twitch Chat is still in GSL subscriber mode. It's a mess. post more in the LR thread. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19239 Posts
On July 26 2016 19:36 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: this was one of those games where your bw knowledge helps nothing ... Seemed pretty standard to me. sSak holds 4th base -> Terran wins. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6590 Posts
On July 26 2016 19:37 BisuDagger wrote: Seemed pretty standard to me. sSak holds 4th base -> Terran wins. its much more complicated than that ^^ | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19239 Posts
I know. I kid :D edit: My question is, did sSak :rushing" to science vessels really benefit him? | ||
SonnyC
Netherlands17 Posts
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thopol
Japan4560 Posts
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SonnyC
Netherlands17 Posts
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
I AM FFS. It's hard doing all this on a 21in single monitor. | ||
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quirinus
Croatia2489 Posts
On July 26 2016 19:39 BisuDagger wrote: I know. I kid :D edit: My question is, did sSak :rushing" to science vessels really benefit him? No, it almost cost him the game because he had less units in that first-second fight. But fast upgrades because fast science facility helped him A LOT. | ||
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Wrath
3174 Posts
On July 26 2016 19:41 SonnyC wrote: I always feel like when Terran moves out, with tanks, vultures (gols) and SCV's building turrets.. That's almost always impossible for Protoss to beat.. 3 arbiters flank stasis and T is good as dead. | ||
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radadaundandan
Bulgaria3148 Posts
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
Tweet #FREEBW for HYPE | ||
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coolprogrammingstuff
906 Posts
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quirinus
Croatia2489 Posts
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atrox_
United Kingdom1710 Posts
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
On July 26 2016 19:39 BisuDagger wrote: I know. I kid :D edit: My question is, did sSak :rushing" to science vessels really benefit him? Arbiter became useless. He cut off observers early. Early +2 weapons upgrade. But, smaller army mid-game. It's a trade off. | ||
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coolprogrammingstuff
906 Posts
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Wrath
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On July 26 2016 19:42 Ciryandor wrote: I AM FFS. It's hard doing all this on a 21in single monitor. its not that much easier on a 24in single monitor either, but I'm making it work. | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
On July 26 2016 19:43 coolprogrammingstuff wrote: sea hasn't been noteworthy since his return to bw, correct? He was the best terran for awhile iirc | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
LEE YOUNG HO LEE YOUNG HO | ||
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thopol
Japan4560 Posts
On July 26 2016 19:43 quirinus wrote: I predict Sea rush. That's the only way he has a chance. It would be suicide to try to play TvF straight up. | ||
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dangots0ul
United States919 Posts
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Miragee
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coolprogrammingstuff
906 Posts
oh, nvm, been out of all SC since 2011 returning in late 2015. What's his skill level at currently though, compared to a lot of other terrans? | ||
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RHoudini
Belgium3627 Posts
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
His nickname was "Home Young Ho". Since he was godlike when playing at home. LoL | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On July 26 2016 19:45 Miragee wrote: "It's favourable for terran in terran vs terran." - Bisudagger 2016 Wise words. | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On July 26 2016 19:45 coolprogrammingstuff wrote: oh, nvm, been out of all SC since 2011 returning in late 2015. What's his skill level at currently though, compared to a lot of other terrans? Relatively bad, there's a handful of better players out there. | ||
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dangots0ul
United States919 Posts
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
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[17]Purple
United Kingdom3489 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
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On July 26 2016 19:46 classicyellow83 wrote: His nickname was "Home Young Ho". Since he was godlike when playing at home. LoL yeah sea has offline curse. online king. | ||
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atrox_
United Kingdom1710 Posts
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quirinus
Croatia2489 Posts
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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goddamndell
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On July 26 2016 19:47 [17]Purple wrote: I missed the caster predictions, anyone have numbers or even a screenshot? Everyone essentially had 100% Flash, 0% Sea. Tasteless had 110% Flash, -10% Sea. Wolf has 99.9% Flash, 0.01% Sea. Basically, everyone is expecting Flash is going to take Sea for a ride. | ||
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coolprogrammingstuff
906 Posts
On July 26 2016 19:47 [17]Purple wrote: I missed the caster predictions, anyone have numbers or even a screenshot? 100 0 80 20 100 0 110% -10% 99.99% 0.01% | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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Heartland
Sweden24580 Posts
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On July 26 2016 19:47 Alur wrote: I know you guys are excited about this game, but the biggest matchup of the day was Alur vs Essbee bo5 in pcbang prior to ASL. Sick reference, but which one of you is the filthy Protoss trashtalker? | ||
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coolprogrammingstuff
906 Posts
On July 26 2016 19:50 Ciryandor wrote: Sick reference, but which one of you is the filthy Protoss trashtalker? whats the reference? | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
This sick series. | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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coolprogrammingstuff
906 Posts
thought it may have been the "jaedong vs flash, but who gives a fuck!" moment! | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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[17]Purple
United Kingdom3489 Posts
God I miss Sean 'Bear Semen' Plott | ||
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Grettin
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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Heartland
Sweden24580 Posts
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Heartland
Sweden24580 Posts
Haha, it's so weird to hear him say all those things after him being so pg13 in sc2 | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
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quirinus
Croatia2489 Posts
edit: oh didn't see valks | ||
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Heartland
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gngfn
United States1726 Posts
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feckless
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gngfn
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goddamndell
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On July 26 2016 19:56 gngfn wrote: Most useful valkyrie of all time Sea didn't spread out, paid for it hard. | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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atrox_
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feckless
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Grettin
42381 Posts
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo | ||
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GumBa
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
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Hall0wed
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Miragee
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GumBa
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Ciryandor
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Heartland
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GumBa
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Miragee
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
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GumBa
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Ciryandor
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Scaramanga
Australia8090 Posts
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radadaundandan
Bulgaria3148 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
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Miragee
8509 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:03 radadaundandan wrote: Now it's all about mindset. Basically game should be unwinnable for Flash but he's flash... You rather mean Sea is Sea. | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:03 radadaundandan wrote: Now it's all about mindset. Basically game should be unwinnable for Flash but he's flash... Macro-wise, Flash is hard pressed, he has less of map, but position wise, Flash has the opportunity to peel away that map position. | ||
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United States8476 Posts
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:03 BLinD-RawR wrote: god this is a Flash TvT I'd say given the advantage that it should be Sea's to lose, Only Fantasy would not lose this in the position Sea's in. | ||
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Heartland
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:06 Ciryandor wrote: I'd say given the advantage that it should be Sea's to lose, Only Fantasy would not lose this in the position Sea's in. Saying fantasys name reminded me of FvsF. God I miss that. | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:05 monk wrote: Why does Sea have so many Wraiths compared to Valks? Would you rather get more Valks? There's a real limit to it. Too many Valks and they won't fire. Also not worth it beyond that point, which is like half a control group. Wraiths can at least chip away at a tank line. | ||
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Miragee
8509 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:05 monk wrote: Why does Sea have so many Wraiths compared to Valks? Would you rather get more Valks? Valks can't hit ground. You just want to have a few to support your wraith army to win the air battle. | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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gngfn
United States1726 Posts
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:07 GumBa wrote: TvT best mirror. Easily  | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
Best for viewing. ZvZ is for edge of seat "OH GOD WHY ARE YOU DOING IT" stuff. | ||
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Miragee
8509 Posts
Indeed. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:05 monk wrote: Why does Sea have so many Wraiths compared to Valks? Would you rather get more Valks? valks take a ridiculous amount of gas and their 3 pop count. | ||
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:11 CruelZeratul wrote: If this goes on a lot longer I favor Flash. He's down by at least one base. Sea is taking one central base right now. | ||
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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gngfn
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Heartland
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feckless
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coolprogrammingstuff
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New Zealand15076 Posts
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
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Maks
Ukraine167 Posts
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Wrath
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gngfn
United States1726 Posts
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
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quirinus
Croatia2489 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:11 BLinD-RawR wrote: valks take a ridiculous amount of gas and their 3 pop count. not really, they take just 25 more than wraiths. it's that they cost 100 more minerals (+1 more supply so indirectly even more minerals) and take longer to build plus they require the addon | ||
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thopol
Japan4560 Posts
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
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United Kingdom3489 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:15 Wrath wrote: Oh boy, Flash is gonna be shit upon so hard from Korean community. Also, THERE IS A HOPE THIS STARLEAGUE WON'T BE ROFLSTOMP!!! yeah no, he won't get shit for dropping a game. he'll get shit for dropping out of the tournament. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:17 BLinD-RawR wrote: yeah no, he won't get shit for dropping a game. He gets shit on for dropping a SERIES.  | ||
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juvenal
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BisuDagger
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:20 juvenal wrote: The map is honestly shit, should've been called Choke Point. Destination flashbacks. I don't mind it tho, game was interesting. | ||
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royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
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Wrath
3174 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:16 Ciryandor wrote: Can FANTASY PLEASE COME BACK? I want to see him wrecking Flash and all these other Terran pretenders. Please come back FanTaSy  | ||
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thopol
Japan4560 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:20 juvenal wrote: The map is honestly shit, should've been called Choke Point. I've been liking it. It's always nice to have a gimmicky map in the pool. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:23 royalroadweed wrote: Return of korean avilo. what? | ||
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Hungary3932 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:22 BLinD-RawR wrote: at least no tie breakers for group A and C. Are tiebreakers a bad thing? | ||
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Wrath
3174 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
come on, you were there for the effort shine go.go tiebreaker. | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
If you don't have enough time... it can take a LOOONG time to resolve them. | ||
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ZeroChrome
Canada1001 Posts
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:17 BLinD-RawR wrote: yeah no, he won't get shit for dropping a game. he'll get shit for dropping out of the tournament. He's getting shit dropped upon him on YGOSU already. | ||
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Wrath
3174 Posts
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:29 Wrath wrote: HOLY FUCK SHIT NINJA LARVA IS HAVING 13K+ VIEWERS!!! It's because of Terror. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:28 classicyellow83 wrote: He's getting shit dropped upon him on YGOSU already. yeah but YGOSU is filled with idiots, its when the guys watching his stream get to him. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6590 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:28 ZeroChrome wrote: How can tasteless still not understand that bio-mech transition has been the standard TvZ gameplay for half a decade impossible,if it was the case i proly droped bw long ago. | ||
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Heartland
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juvenal
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On July 26 2016 20:28 classicyellow83 wrote: He's getting shit dropped upon him on YGOSU already. wow some of the many millions of internet users are expressing this certain opinion, this must be of value! | ||
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Heartland
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:29 Wrath wrote: HOLY FUCK SHIT NINJA LARVA IS HAVING 13K+ VIEWERS!!! Normal for Terror / Larva during ALS. :--) | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
ahhh I see, terror on sunday and larva on tuesdays. | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:29 Heartland wrote: Such a FTFY | ||
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:29 BLinD-RawR wrote: yeah but YGOSU is filled with idiots, its when the guys watching his stream get to him. yeah he's still getting shit for dropping 1 game. | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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coolprogrammingstuff
906 Posts
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thopol
Japan4560 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:31 GumBa wrote: TvZ is THE mu for sc in it's entirety for me. Let's gogogo start the games! Yeah, best matchup for sure. The MU where you can see basically every unit under certain circumstances. | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:34 thopol wrote: Yeah, best matchup for sure. The MU where you can see basically every unit under certain circumstances. Except for Ghosts after 2005-ish. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6590 Posts
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:34 thopol wrote: Yeah, best matchup for sure. The MU where you can see basically every unit under certain circumstances. It's got early-mid-lategame, cheese, timings, allins, rivalries, basically every unit, so many different styles and strats ,heck it even has some of the biggest rivalries for even more hype. Theres even something about advanced humans with powerful weaponry vs a never ending swarm of bestial aliens thats amazing. | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands4990 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:36 Peeano wrote: Does Wolf go by proxywolf as a caster or just Wolf? Just Wolf. | ||
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Miragee
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6590 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:38 Miragee wrote: Wtf is hero doing? That was some D-rank panic, lol. you are the d rank :p proly u dont know but hero made 1 or 2 drones before pool,so his pool timing was off,he needed to save time . | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:38 Miragee wrote: Wtf is hero doing? That was some D-rank panic, lol. Probably wanted to be extremely conservative. | ||
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coolprogrammingstuff
906 Posts
(((((((((((( | ||
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Miragee
8509 Posts
I know, that's how I know how that feels!  | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands4990 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:37 Phredxor wrote: Just Wolf. Thx | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:40 coolprogrammingstuff wrote: this bw knowledge pls ((((((((((((Well, you do have to remember 90% of their audience didn't watch BW tournaments regularly. | ||
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gngfn
United States1726 Posts
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coolprogrammingstuff
906 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:41 Ciryandor wrote: Well, you do have to remember 90% of their audience didn't watch BW tournaments regularly. they were wrong consecutively doe. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:42 gngfn wrote: Lurker first again or did I miss the Spire? no spire | ||
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Miragee
8509 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:39 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: you are the d rank :p proly u dont know but hero made 1 or 2 drones before pool,so his pool timing was off,he needed to save time . I actually missed that indeed. Thanks. | ||
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:43 coolprogrammingstuff wrote: they were wrong consecutively doe. Old craton-era streams didn't hit 1k except in tournament finals; so I'm being generous with that 90% | ||
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TT1
Canada10009 Posts
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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coolprogrammingstuff
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juvenal
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:49 GumBa wrote: Why is tasteless acting like mech transition is super new? Why's everyone still commenting about tasteless acting like X is new. Go on Twitter and tell him instead. | ||
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Miragee
8509 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:49 GumBa wrote: Why is tasteless acting like mech transition is super new? Because he hasn't watched BW since 2009. | ||
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Ej_
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
Or watched FANTASY.  | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
no he knows about fantasy mech, hes not as aware about late mech. | ||
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Scaramanga
Australia8090 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:49 GumBa wrote: Why is tasteless acting like mech transition is super new? Mech after 4 rax is new, at least to someone who hasn't watched bw since 2011 | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:53 BLinD-RawR wrote: no he knows about fantasy mech, hes not as aware about late mech. The Fantasy mech was the proto-bio-to-mech transition. | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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Ej_
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:54 Ciryandor wrote: The Fantasy mech was the proto-bio-to-mech transition. oov sends his regards. | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
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Scaramanga
Australia8090 Posts
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feckless
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Wrath
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
best is out. | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
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juvenal
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atrox_
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Miragee
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BLinD-RawR
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letian
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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thopol
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letian
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On July 26 2016 20:59 Scaramanga wrote: I don't understand how terrans expect to get a foothold in the map and not get ratted as soon as he starts to transition into mech, plus the defilers deal with mech really well It relies on the T playing extremely conservative and building early turrets in the base to keep production running, and keeping marines back to defend against ovie drops instead of pressuring. | ||
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19239 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
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reminisce12
Australia318 Posts
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
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Miragee
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On July 26 2016 21:01 Ciryandor wrote: It relies on the T playing extremely conservative and building early turrets in the base to keep production running, and keeping marines back to defend against ovie drops instead of pressuring. Maybe terrans have to come up with something else on this map then? Late 4 base turtle mech transition has been effective on almost every map now. I feel like it's ok if terrans have to adapt a little bit for once. | ||
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
On July 26 2016 21:03 Miragee wrote: Maybe terrans have to come up with something else on this map then? Late 4 base turtle mech transition has been effective on almost every map now. I feel like it's ok if terrans have to adapt a little bit for once. Flash said on his stream that you have to be on the offense when going late mech on overwatch or else you will spend entire game defending while zerg expands more and lose at the end. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
Mong vs Hero was pretty good. Also interesting tidbit from FlaSh. That was also what he did in his game with ZerO I think. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6590 Posts
On July 26 2016 21:09 DucK- wrote: What's the rationale for late game Mech switch? Bio ball + SV no longer attractive? i cant speak in general but this is what happened in that one .Terran tends to skip the 3 tanks 1 vess push if his timing is delayed and the zerg is in a position where his defiler is ready and third base running. | ||
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feckless
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On July 26 2016 21:00 tube wrote: hero played an insane game but this map seems too open, makes it easy for zerg to run around anywhere he wants Good. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On July 26 2016 21:02 classicyellow83 wrote: ah piano was late due to airforce reserve. bring back airforce ACE | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
And get Fantasy to playing BW while at it. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6590 Posts
On July 26 2016 21:10 c3rberUs wrote: Oh wait, so I didn't miss 3 games? Alright! Mong vs Hero was pretty good. Also interesting tidbit from FlaSh. That was also what he did in his game with ZerO I think. flash mech transition is a bit different from other terrans,no matter the map he is always presuring the zerg. | ||
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c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
Does it mean he's a reservist? @eon, yeah I noticed that too. | ||
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thopol
Japan4560 Posts
I'm with you. I always loved to hate that guy. Being passionately negative is part of the fun of fandom. Like hating the Softbank Hawks. | ||
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ZeroChrome
Canada1001 Posts
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
On July 26 2016 21:13 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: flash mech transition is a bit different from other terrans,no matter the map he is always presuring the zerg. late mech changed a bit after flash came back to bw also. Traditionally, when switching to late mech, terrans used to put 2 addons on factories while using vultures. But, Flash puts 3 addons. He does this to use tanks more offensively. Now everyone does this. they put on 3-4 addons early on. | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On July 26 2016 21:15 thopol wrote: I'm with you. I always loved to hate that guy. Being passionately negative is part of the fun of fandom. Like hating the Softbank Hawks. Or just learning to live with the scrubs on your favorite team... like SKT Zergs... | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6590 Posts
On July 26 2016 21:16 classicyellow83 wrote: late mech changed a bit after flash came back to bw also. Traditionally, when switching to late mech, terrans used to put 2 addons on factories while using vultures. But, Flash puts 3 addons. He does this to use tanks more offensively. Now everyone does this. they put on 3-4 addons early on. the standard is to make 3 addons,making more addons is optional about what the terran needs. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6590 Posts
,i almost never see this work xD | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
On July 26 2016 21:18 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: the standard is to make 3 addons,making more addons is optional about what the terran needs. It's more of standard now. I haven't seen much of late mech switch with only 2 addons early on these days. | ||
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
On July 26 2016 21:20 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: i just dont like how Piano is always doing the same build drop in tvp ,i almost never see this work xDyeah. it doesnt work cause he uses it too much. =( | ||
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
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classicyellow83
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Miragee
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On July 26 2016 21:06 classicyellow83 wrote: Flash said on his stream that you have to be on the offense when going late mech on overwatch or else you will spend entire game defending while zerg expands more and lose at the end. Which would be a nice change of pace. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
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radadaundandan
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Ciryandor
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CruelZeratul
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gngfn
United States1726 Posts
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On July 26 2016 21:26 gngfn wrote: The Jaehoon arbiters never ever disappoint Not even a recall... but knowing his performance with that... HAHAHAAH | ||
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DucK-
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letian
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thopol
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TT1
Canada10009 Posts
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
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c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
Need to rewatch though my net failed so hard Wait FlaSh lost too? Upsets are everywhere. | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands4990 Posts
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Wrath
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
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c3rberUs
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KobraKay
Portugal4231 Posts
Time to search for VODs T_T | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
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gngfn
United States1726 Posts
On July 27 2016 00:20 iamho wrote: Now Flash has to beat Mind to get to the ro8 On Fighting Spirit, though. Flash is almost unstoppable in TvT on that map. It would be cool if we could integrate all the Fish ladder data that classicyellow83 posts into TLPD somehow... | ||
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usopsama
6502 Posts
On July 26 2016 21:28 DucK- wrote: If memory serves me well, Jaehoon was pretty notorious for his fails back then :O His tendancy to fail rivaled that of Free and Backho. | ||
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/9531_ForGG_vs_Jila http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/9535_ForGG_vs_Jila vods: | ||
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
And Jaehoon has been irredeemable hot garbage his entire career. | ||
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VGhost
United States3613 Posts
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
hero played incredibly | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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prech
United States2948 Posts
Nice to see Sea playing well after that unfortunate loss to Mind | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19239 Posts
On July 27 2016 08:36 The_Red_Viper wrote: Is there a reason Jaehoon vs Piano is the only game not updated in liquibets? I had to head to work right after the delayed Jaehoon vs Piano game It's updated now. | ||
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joust85
Canada53 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Was a bit disappointed with the game on sunday personally, today seems to be better already :D | ||
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c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
On July 27 2016 03:28 usopsama wrote: His tendancy to fail rivaled that of Free and Backho. Perhaps you meant someone like Rock or GuemChi? I don't think the Battle God (not July) is known for failing. | ||
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usopsama
6502 Posts
On July 27 2016 13:37 c3rberUs wrote: Perhaps you meant someone like Rock or GuemChi? I don't think the Battle God (not July) is known for failing. Free is always full of fail. Even his match against Effort this week was full of fail. Does anyone have any memorable example of his fails? | ||
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xccam
Great Britain1150 Posts
On July 27 2016 14:35 usopsama wrote: Free is always full of fail. Even his match against Effort this week was full of fail. Does anyone have any memorable example of his fails? As C3rberUs said, Free is definitely not someone who Jaehoon "almost" rivals at failing. Free was one of the 6 Dragons of Protoss after all. | ||
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EatThePath
United States3943 Posts
On July 27 2016 03:28 usopsama wrote: His tendancy to fail rivaled that of Free and Backho. Wow, backho fails, that brings me back... lol | ||
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_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
Flash face was looking like he hasnt sleep at all last night. GG nevertheless. On July 27 2016 15:30 xccam wrote: As C3rberUs said, Free is definitely not someone who Jaehoon "almost" rivals at failing. Free was one of the 6 Dragons of Protoss after all. Yeah, the weakest one. Unlike jaehoon who often fails in the begining of the tournaments, Free is the one who give you high hopes with great play in the begining only to fail hard after 1-2 weeks. Its like his trademark. He has great potential tho, i think its the "choke" which is failing him. | ||
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c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
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VGhost
United States3613 Posts
Jaehoon had a really good year in... 2011 Proleague, I think. But this game was not that. | ||
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
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_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
On July 27 2016 20:31 c3rberUs wrote: Yes, I'm sure the former ace player of Woongjin, a top 3 player in the most difficult toss matchup, the former [GM] clan master and the god of battle micromanagement is a poster boy for failing. Not to diss Jaehoon but as you can see they aren't exactly at the same level of achievement. Hes not poster boy at failing, but at the same time he didnt achieved anything in individual leagues while he have enough strenght to do it. My description for him is mostly from what ive seen in post kespa era and its about choking. Im not comparing jaehoon to free skill, its obvious whos better. Just point out the fail timings for both. | ||
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usopsama
6502 Posts
On July 27 2016 19:59 _Animus_ wrote: Free is the one who give you high hopes with great play in the begining only to fail hard after 1-2 weeks. Its like his trademark. He has great potential tho, i think its the "choke" which is failing him. EXACTLY. I am glad someone else remembered how Free was like. | ||
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Connor5620
Australia203 Posts
Sea vs Flash Match 2 Mong vs herO Match 3 PianO vs Jaehoon Match 4 | ||
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c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
edit - my previous post wasn't directed at you animus, sry ^_^. I should have quoted. | ||
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outscar
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EatThePath
United States3943 Posts
On July 28 2016 09:20 outscar wrote: You wanna discover baby how Sea won match against Flash? Because of his map awareness. Sea is the only BroodWar player who hides terrain on minimap (TAB) because he only wants to see units, he already knows terrain, tileset, pathing. Sea is gosu, never underestimate online king, offline choker. This time he doesn't wanna fuck around even if he deserved group of death. This makes a lot of sense, that airforce pull when flash did the huge vulture runby was SO fast. | ||
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outscar
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On July 28 2016 11:00 GTR wrote: actually he's not the only bw pro player to not use terrain on minimap. former osl champion sync also didn't use terrain on mini map. Sync? Who... Em... I will go change my pants. Ok I'm here, Sync? Who? My mother is calling me again... I went back. Sync? Who? Peruvian lagger or what? -_- + Show Spoiler + No one knows NO FCKIN ONE! | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6590 Posts
On July 28 2016 15:46 BLinD-RawR wrote: I wonder, do the people that sync knows make fun of the fact that nobody remembers hes an OSL champion. Who is sync? Btw there are more pros using black mini map ^^, | ||
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xccam
Great Britain1150 Posts
On July 28 2016 01:54 usopsama wrote: EXACTLY. I am glad someone else remembered how Free was like. I still have to disagree with you guys here. If someone repeatedly gets into the quarter and semi finals before "failing" that isn't being a fail player. I'd hardly even call it choking in the case of Free. he just reached the rounds where he needed to beat real S tier players, but he couldn't so he lost. He lost in the semi finals of 2 OSL's and 1 MSL to Flash twice and Bisu once. This isn't a choke, he just isn't a starleague winner. | ||
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Reif
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Start at 12:00 and watch until 12:30 - notice how he failed to see Effort's hidden expo (the spreading creep) with the terrain turned off. | ||
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Miragee
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
On July 30 2016 06:11 Reif wrote: Start at 12:00 and watch until 12:30 - notice how he failed to see Effort's hidden expo (the spreading creep) with the terrain turned off. you don't see creep in bw | ||
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