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RMuSt
Russian Federation181 Posts
i think just your builds and late game is not good enough | ||
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NeMu555
114 Posts
The only thing i can kinda agree on is the qualifying stage could have been better, meaning alot of worse player are infront of good ones so seeding isn't perfect and alot of better players did not even qualify. Having said all of that 2pac is not a machine and its prob hella hard work with everything anyways so who's to blame him? We all get an opportunity to play in a fun tournamen and win some nice cash for playing our hobby game. What the fuck more do you want guys lol? | ||
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idegelchik
Russian Federation382 Posts
 i hope some russian protoss win tls (djem, must, dewalt). if zvz final again : gl to Jose Luis ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/VgLUo9D.png?1) okay  | ||
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Cryoc
Germany914 Posts
On March 07 2016 12:54 vOdToasT wrote: I don't do "fan service". I want to show worthy games for the viewers that don't waste their time, but I I play in the way that I believe gives me the best chance of winning. Which is the best way to serve fans of StarCraft anyway - playing at the highest level you are capable of. DragOn helped me prepare for this PvZ, and he kicked my ass. But I won a few games with corsair reaver, so I decided to use it in the tournament. I don't think that Aztec is a bad map for Terran. It's hard when you start out playing on it as a beginner, but once you learn how to use it to Terran's advantage, it becomes a fine map. It ended up being my strongest map for TvP once I figured out how to play on it (I played on it exclusively because I was sick of losing on it against Protoss). In ICCup tournaments, I would pick Aztec if my opponent was Protoss, and I don't remember ever losing a TvP tournament game on it. In fact, the post KeSPA statistics for it are: PvT: 8-11 (42.1%) TvZ: 10-3 (76.9%) A small sample size, but still. Ok, let's play the game of statistics. I still find it amazing how people use post-kespa stats for map balance, whereas for any tour except the later SSLs and Kongdoo Leagues factors like who participates and practices for it probably has a significant influence on the stats. Especially for maps which were used in the last years of the Kespa-era where the TvZ lategame mech switch already happened. And so looking at the Kespa stats we see: Race Stats (non-mirrors): TvZ: 8-7 (53.3%) ZvP: 19-17 (52.8%) PvT: 4-4 (50%) Mirrors: 0 TvT | 16 ZvZ | 16 PvP Looks not bad for Terran, you might think? But then you take a closer look and see, there is almost double the amount of PvZ than any other non-mirror matchup and 16 PvP/ZvZ and 0 TvT played. Must be such a Terran heaven they continuously played mind games on each other in Proleague. Especially considering Neo Aztec is basically the same map as Aztec: Race Stats (non-mirrors): TvZ: 23-36 (39%) ZvP: 56-56 (50%) PvT: 34-18 (65.4%) except for the added high ground at the natural which, granted, improves TvP for Terran. But if it would have significantly improved the matchup, there would have been more Terrans on this map. On March 07 2016 14:38 NeMu555 wrote: Omg, wtf are you guys complaining about? You had a bad setup, no time to train, not enough time to play on maps? You guys are pathetic. I'm playing on a 13inch laptop using its built in keyboard which is hella small on a shitty small desk with a shitty sad low chair and a 2$ mouse. I also have been playing 99% of the time 2v2 games for fun and have not trained 1v1 at all. I also, believe it or not see the maps before my games and dont even know some of them. Guess what im in ro16 so that makes all your sad complaining SADDER! The only thing i can kinda agree on is the qualifying stage could have been better, meaning alot of worse player are infront of good ones so seeding isn't perfect and alot of better players did not even qualify. Having said all of that 2pac is not a machine and its prob hella hard work with everything anyways so who's to blame him? We all get an opportunity to play in a fun tournamen and win some nice cash for playing our hobby game. What the fuck more do you want guys lol? If you don't take it seriously and and just play for fun, that's your choice. My point is, I wanted to show my best possible skill in this tournament, but due to giving necessary information always as late as possible, I ended up with this situation plus choosing such maps really was the icing on the cake. | ||
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idegelchik
Russian Federation382 Posts
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On March 07 2016 18:43 Cryoc wrote: Ok, let's play the game of statistics. I still find it amazing how people use post-kespa stats for map balance, whereas for any tour except the later SSLs and Kongdoo Leagues factors like who participates and practices for it probably has a significant influence on the stats. Especially for maps which were used in the last years of the Kespa-era where the TvZ lategame mech switch already happened. And so looking at the Kespa stats we see: Race Stats (non-mirrors): TvZ: 8-7 (53.3%) ZvP: 19-17 (52.8%) PvT: 4-4 (50%) Mirrors: 0 TvT | 16 ZvZ | 16 PvP Looks not bad for Terran, you might think? But then you take a closer look and see, there is almost double the amount of PvZ than any other non-mirror matchup and 16 PvP/ZvZ and 0 TvT played. Must be such a Terran heaven they continuously played mind games on each other in Proleague. Especially considering Neo Aztec is basically the same map as Aztec: Race Stats (non-mirrors): TvZ: 23-36 (39%) ZvP: 56-56 (50%) PvT: 34-18 (65.4%) except for the added high ground at the natural which, granted, improves TvP for Terran. But if it would have significantly improved the matchup, there would have been more Terrans on this map. If you don't take it seriously and and just play for fun, that's your choice. My point is, I wanted to show my best possible skill in this tournament, but due to giving necessary information always as late as possible, I ended up with this situation plus choosing such maps really was the icing on the cake. Aztec was Protoss favoured in the beginning (in PvT). Now it's been solved, and it isn't any more, like how Katrina started out imba in one way but changed. Same with Blue Storm. Blue storm was a Zerg map. Now it's a Protoss map. | ||
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_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
Its great that you have the strong ambition to practice that hard man, i admire you for that. I saw u needed that practice time by the games you've lost and i can understand your frustration because you really wanted to prepare and go far into this possibly last tour of such caliber. You know better than me that in tournaments you show what you got at a given moment, rules are the same for everyone and nobody wait for you to get good enough + even if you had the time there is no guarantee that you win. I dont want to say anything about the map, but blame it on lack of events and laziness in the foreign bw scene. TLCups were great initiative, but it was already too late with scene half dead and didnt get enough players back. From this case perspective wouldve been great if all maps from the championship was presented in TLCups in different weeks, but i cant blame anyone because i assume its normal the mappool to be picked before the actual event. In a bigger picture thats my reason of why ambitious players like you didnt grow more. I hope we will get more tournaments like this in the means of different rounds played on different days, so people could prepare good and gradually rise the level of bw scene because it cant happen in one shot. | ||
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trutaCz
Poland686 Posts
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9559 Posts
On March 08 2016 03:16 trutaCz wrote: Can we play games on fish instead of icc? Yes. | ||
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9559 Posts
Replays: http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/2Pacalypse/tls_championship/TLSC_Ro32.zip | ||
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HyralGambit
2439 Posts
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/TeamLiquid_Legacy_Starleague_Championship#Results Btw, if spx beats DragOn in Ro16, all the Protosses on one side of the bracket are out and we will guaranteed a non PvP finals (hoping for a TvZ finals). | ||
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9559 Posts
On March 08 2016 05:31 HyralGambit wrote: Updated the bracket on LP, you lazy bums: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/TeamLiquid_Legacy_Starleague_Championship#Results Btw, if spx beats DragOn in Ro16, all the Protosses on one side of the bracket are out and we will guaranteed a non PvP finals (hoping for a TvZ finals). Thanks! | ||
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The Intrepid
Canada205 Posts
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9559 Posts
On March 08 2016 05:49 The Intrepid wrote: There was talk at the end of the cast that the other round of 32 matches might get casted later this week. Make it happen! Yep, we'll let you know if it happens (probably will). | ||
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
On March 07 2016 12:54 vOdToasT wrote: I don't do "fan service". I want to show worthy games for the viewers that don't waste their time, but I I play in the way that I believe gives me the best chance of winning. Which is the best way to serve fans of StarCraft anyway - playing at the highest level you are capable of. DragOn helped me prepare for this PvZ, and he kicked my ass. But I won a few games with corsair reaver, so I decided to use it in the tournament. I don't think that Aztec is a bad map for Terran. It's hard when you start out playing on it as a beginner, but once you learn how to use it to Terran's advantage, it becomes a fine map. It ended up being my strongest map for TvP once I figured out how to play on it (I played on it exclusively because I was sick of losing on it against Protoss). In ICCup tournaments, I would pick Aztec if my opponent was Protoss, and I don't remember ever losing a TvP tournament game on it. In fact, the post KeSPA statistics for it are: PvT: 8-11 (42.1%) TvZ: 10-3 (76.9%) A small sample size, but still. It's been like, what, 6 years and I am only figuring out now that you are vOddy? WTF | ||
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9559 Posts
Ro16 cast will be in the usual time slot, Sunday at 19:00 GMT (+00:00). | ||
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
On March 09 2016 02:04 2Pacalypse- wrote: Alright, we'll have a part 2 of the Ro32 cast, this Friday at 19:00 GMT (+00:00). Casters will be Cats_Paw and vOddy. Ro16 cast will be in the usual time slot, Sunday at 19:00 GMT (+00:00). Great news, thanks 2Pac, Cats_Paw and vOddy for making this happen! I'll make sure to tune in. | ||
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9559 Posts
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9559 Posts
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dRaW
Canada5744 Posts
Bonyth and Djem5 lost :wtf: I think Dragon will reach semi finals now | ||
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