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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
On February 02 2007 17:16 Wonders wrote:
Casy's move was indeed a stroke of genius, but I can't see that it did any more than just to throw July off a little. If he had FEed, there would've been more than 5 scvs at the expo, and they would've went to mine more than once.
To me it seemed like he knew that Casy wasn't FEing within a few seconds, but that was enough to delay his second sunken by a few seconds enough for Casy's rush to be successful. July still had enough stuff to hold off Casy, even in the first attack. If either Casy had bad firebat positioning or had he targeted the single medic with sunkens before sending his lings in, he could've held it off with little losses.
Well that one split second when he thought FE was all that Casy needed imo. The sunken was built only a couple of seconds after the attack, and the second and third were no where near close to being built.
If he did go the build July thought he did, those lings would have been enough to block and counter, but because he faked it, he chose lings instead of sunks, and realized what happened a split second too late.
One hilarious thing I found was that the commentators had literally NO CLUE why Casy sent those SCV's to mine. I figured it out as soon as I saw it, but they were like "huh? Is that a mistake? How can you make a mistake like that?" One guy actually attempted an explanation saying something like "Sometimes you can get your hotkeys mixed up and chose your workers instead".... meanwhile i'm screaming "YOU DUMBASSES HE'S TRYING TO FAKE FE!!!" and then right when Casy is at July's door, one guy finally suggests it and they all slowly start to realize the brilliance of that "mistake". Really OGN commentators can be really clueless (MSL commentators are much more understanding of the game).
As for Midas picking Savior, I don't think he was exactly disrespecting or anything, I think he was in a dilemma.
On one hand, he knew he wanted to beat Savior in a straight up match VERY BADLY especially after that MSL loss. If he didn't pick him, who knows which bracket they'd end up in, they may never play and he may never get his revenge again (especially with SKT1's gay 1 starleague rule).
One the other hand, his chances of beating Savior is probably better in a bo5. 3 out of the 4 maps seem to be imbalanced for Terran, and in a bo5 one of those maps would be used twice, giving him a good advantage... then there's the fact that it's monster savior, and to play him now is pretty much challeging yourself early.
He wants to play him very badly, but he's also afraid of him. He wants revenge, and if he missed this chance he may never get it back...
What I want to say is, it wasn't a "should I take an easier route or a harder route?" decision, it was more of a "should I take this chance, or take that chance, either way could turn out badly".
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Talking about midas stimming twice in the game, what if he did not make that mistake? will he be able to kill those sunkens? I counted midas has 10 marines, 2 medics and 1 Firebat at the starting time of the attack, 3 more firebats joined later. Savior has 4 sunkens ready, with 1 more morphing, and some dancing drones. What would happen normally?
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whoa, Casy and Nada are so strong..... Savior is playing perfect !
so now it's
Casy vs FBH
Nada vs Yellow[Amc]
Much vs Savior
Iris vs Zergman
Casy vs Nada
Savior vs Iris
Nada vs Savior
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poor july, looks so sad after losing in that vid =[
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although i hate zergman i hope he beats iris since his got a real chance vs savior zvsz
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Valhalla18444 Posts
hahahahahaha iris stands no chance against zergman
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Nada vs savior final would be great, a rematch of the superfight. I'm not too worried about Savior making the finals, but Nada may have trouble against yarnc. His zvt is no joke.
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On February 02 2007 03:38 Ash wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2007 03:36 puLs.ReADy wrote:
Nah I don`t think he tricked him ! July knew he is goona be attacked thats why he made lings ! He thought he would stop him only with lings ! LOL serious grow a fucking brain please and stop posting before you understand why Casy's move was so pimped and please remind yourself that you're watching a StarCraft game, not Super Mario.
Wow.
The "Omg July is a noob; No he is not" debate (with remarks such as "grow a fucking brain please") makes TL.net's look very immature and less enjoyable to read.
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On February 02 2007 22:10 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
hahahahahaha iris stands no chance against zergman
thats true, iris's tvz is his rather poor matchup, and zergman has been playing great lately. zergman could be the dark horse to win this whole thing, although i would doubt that would happen.
unfortunatly for casy, he is going to have to face nada in the semi's, and i doubt he will be able to beat him. hopefully it wont be as bad as nada vs. goodfriend last osl (i doubt it will be).
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tvz iris sucks on big map, not bad on small map i think
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Whatever happens I just don't want a ZvZ final
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On February 03 2007 13:48 RivetHead wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2007 22:10 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
hahahahahaha iris stands no chance against zergman thats true, iris's tvz is his rather poor matchup, and zergman has been playing great lately. zergman could be the dark horse to win this whole thing, although i would doubt that would happen. unfortunatly for casy, he is going to have to face nada in the semi's, and i doubt he will be able to beat him. hopefully it wont be as bad as nada vs. goodfriend last osl (i doubt it will be).
Nada is not playing like the Nada of last OSL. Granted, his last game against Up was well played, but if you consider how brilliant Casy's been playing this OSL, my money's on him if they meet.
Zergman has chances to win, but Yarnc would have to make the finals.
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On February 04 2007 00:24 Orome wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2007 13:48 RivetHead wrote:On February 02 2007 22:10 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
hahahahahaha iris stands no chance against zergman thats true, iris's tvz is his rather poor matchup, and zergman has been playing great lately. zergman could be the dark horse to win this whole thing, although i would doubt that would happen. unfortunatly for casy, he is going to have to face nada in the semi's, and i doubt he will be able to beat him. hopefully it wont be as bad as nada vs. goodfriend last osl (i doubt it will be). Nada is not playing like the Nada of last OSL. Granted, his last game against Up was well played, but if you consider how brilliant Casy's been playing this OSL, my money's on him if they meet. Zergman has chances to win, but Yarnc would have to make the finals.
I like Casy but he won't trick NaDa. IF anything, the last game has proven that even when confronted with an inferior position he comes out on top. Rarely, do tricks work on him. He has too much experience to lose to such things.
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On February 02 2007 03:36 puLs.ReADy wrote:
Nah I don`t think he tricked him ! July knew he is goona be attacked thats why he made lings ! He thought he would stop him only with lings !
I actually tracked all your posts since your first ignorant comment till this one.
You're being very silly >_>
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On February 04 2007 00:52 Gryffindor_us wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2007 00:24 Orome wrote:On February 03 2007 13:48 RivetHead wrote:On February 02 2007 22:10 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
hahahahahaha iris stands no chance against zergman thats true, iris's tvz is his rather poor matchup, and zergman has been playing great lately. zergman could be the dark horse to win this whole thing, although i would doubt that would happen. unfortunatly for casy, he is going to have to face nada in the semi's, and i doubt he will be able to beat him. hopefully it wont be as bad as nada vs. goodfriend last osl (i doubt it will be). Nada is not playing like the Nada of last OSL. Granted, his last game against Up was well played, but if you consider how brilliant Casy's been playing this OSL, my money's on him if they meet. Zergman has chances to win, but Yarnc would have to make the finals. I like Casy but he won't trick NaDa. IF anything, the last game has proven that even when confronted with an inferior position he comes out on top. Rarely, do tricks work on him. He has too much experience to lose to such things.
I dunno, last time I saw Casy TvT (vs. Oov in a very long bo5), it was absolutely sick. I don't even know if Nada at his best would be considered a favourite over Casy at his best. Casy's TvT is not tricky, just cool and aggressive
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On February 05 2007 10:05 Purind wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2007 00:52 Gryffindor_us wrote:On February 04 2007 00:24 Orome wrote:On February 03 2007 13:48 RivetHead wrote:On February 02 2007 22:10 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
hahahahahaha iris stands no chance against zergman thats true, iris's tvz is his rather poor matchup, and zergman has been playing great lately. zergman could be the dark horse to win this whole thing, although i would doubt that would happen. unfortunatly for casy, he is going to have to face nada in the semi's, and i doubt he will be able to beat him. hopefully it wont be as bad as nada vs. goodfriend last osl (i doubt it will be). Nada is not playing like the Nada of last OSL. Granted, his last game against Up was well played, but if you consider how brilliant Casy's been playing this OSL, my money's on him if they meet. Zergman has chances to win, but Yarnc would have to make the finals. I like Casy but he won't trick NaDa. IF anything, the last game has proven that even when confronted with an inferior position he comes out on top. Rarely, do tricks work on him. He has too much experience to lose to such things. I dunno, last time I saw Casy TvT (vs. Oov in a very long bo5), it was absolutely sick. I don't even know if Nada at his best would be considered a favourite over Casy at his best. Casy's TvT is not tricky, just cool and aggressive
Nada at his his best is a favorite over anyone. Fortunately for Casy, Nada isn't even close to how good he was 2 years ago (or is it more now?). I still think Nada is the favorite over Casy though.
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Nada at his best is not favorite over Savor. One way or another Savior owns Nada and always will pwn him. There has never been player that can own Savior at this shape. That gamer maybe will appear from shadows and I hope he will play toss.
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On February 05 2007 10:10 muramasa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2007 10:05 Purind wrote:On February 04 2007 00:52 Gryffindor_us wrote:On February 04 2007 00:24 Orome wrote:On February 03 2007 13:48 RivetHead wrote:On February 02 2007 22:10 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
hahahahahaha iris stands no chance against zergman thats true, iris's tvz is his rather poor matchup, and zergman has been playing great lately. zergman could be the dark horse to win this whole thing, although i would doubt that would happen. unfortunatly for casy, he is going to have to face nada in the semi's, and i doubt he will be able to beat him. hopefully it wont be as bad as nada vs. goodfriend last osl (i doubt it will be). Nada is not playing like the Nada of last OSL. Granted, his last game against Up was well played, but if you consider how brilliant Casy's been playing this OSL, my money's on him if they meet. Zergman has chances to win, but Yarnc would have to make the finals. I like Casy but he won't trick NaDa. IF anything, the last game has proven that even when confronted with an inferior position he comes out on top. Rarely, do tricks work on him. He has too much experience to lose to such things. I dunno, last time I saw Casy TvT (vs. Oov in a very long bo5), it was absolutely sick. I don't even know if Nada at his best would be considered a favourite over Casy at his best. Casy's TvT is not tricky, just cool and aggressive Nada at his his best is a favorite over anyone. Fortunately for Casy, Nada isn't even close to how good he was 2 years ago (or is it more now?). I still think Nada is the favorite over Casy though.
You have to be fucking kidding with me. Nada? at his best? favorite over anyone? Yes?
lol. FUCK NO. Remember last OSL where...Nada won the third and got the golden mouse? yes?. Oh! Remember what happen after? he played "SuperFight" match against sAviOr!. Guess what...savior didn't lose  .
pd: I had to pull a Peruvian-kind of style post~.
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On February 02 2007 03:24 puLs.ReADy wrote:
Seriously July is the biggest noob in the pro scene atm...
Whcih is why he got thsi far.
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On February 04 2007 00:52 Gryffindor_us wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2007 00:24 Orome wrote:On February 03 2007 13:48 RivetHead wrote:On February 02 2007 22:10 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
hahahahahaha iris stands no chance against zergman thats true, iris's tvz is his rather poor matchup, and zergman has been playing great lately. zergman could be the dark horse to win this whole thing, although i would doubt that would happen. unfortunatly for casy, he is going to have to face nada in the semi's, and i doubt he will be able to beat him. hopefully it wont be as bad as nada vs. goodfriend last osl (i doubt it will be). Nada is not playing like the Nada of last OSL. Granted, his last game against Up was well played, but if you consider how brilliant Casy's been playing this OSL, my money's on him if they meet. Zergman has chances to win, but Yarnc would have to make the finals. I like Casy but he won't trick NaDa. IF anything, the last game has proven that even when confronted with an inferior position he comes out on top. Rarely, do tricks work on him. He has too much experience to lose to such things.
Up did have the superior position, but it was more him throwing it away with a weird build than Nada playing that brilliant (he did play well though, as I said). The thing is, Casy's TvT isn't really built on tricks as you make it out to be, but rather on nonstop aggression and completely controlling the pace of the game.
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