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Poetic[AoV]
Profile Joined November 2009
United Kingdom183 Posts
August 29 2012 18:40 GMT
#101
It seems to me like mca was trying to help, and phrased it badly. Seems very harsh to ban him... But im sure it's not the end of the world.

Can't wait for the tourney to start!!
Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
August 29 2012 18:52 GMT
#102
If I were Shimy I'd simply ask that the 2 people constantly derailing this thread with no actual input be warned about posting in this thread, as they've earned it at this point.
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
aquados
Profile Joined August 2012
Netherlands180 Posts
August 29 2012 19:17 GMT
#103
i think its a overreaction to ban mca without even a counter argument. still want to see hes proof thou.

..... sas.zimpTT hes so good
the power of an outside source is that it comes from the inside. sabas[aov] c-/c toss
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10783 Posts
August 29 2012 20:00 GMT
#104
On August 30 2012 03:11 Shotcoder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 02:12 GGzerG wrote:
On August 29 2012 22:33 Shimy wrote:
On August 29 2012 12:51 GGzerG wrote:
Well GL to all, that is kind of unfortunate I wasn't allowed to play because the organizer holds a personal vendetta against me lol, oh well what can you do, Wish all the best in this league. Gogo nina~!

LOL

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Sorry bud, but you were late by almost 2 hours :/


Do you realize how immature and ridiculous it is that you answer my post with a "LOL" ? How am i , let alone anyone else supposed to take you seriously with what you are doing for the community when I write the absolute truth and the reply I am given is a "LOL" and then an abrupt straight up lie? I submitted my information IMMEDIATELY after you're post in the ASL original thread where you said " Hurry up guys, 3 hours left for signups!" , the fact you are telling me my signup was late is just a outright lie, it is so obvious because when I asked shotcoder last night if I would be allowed to play in ASL, all he said was " QQ ".

It is unprofessional of you to respond the way you did, and it is absolutely ridiculous to lie and say I submitted my info 2 hours late, when I know for a fact I submitted it before the deadline, the only way I wouldn't have was if the email was recieved later than I sent it. The fact that you reply with a "LOL" just lets me know how obvious it is that you are in on the fact that I am not being allowed to play because of a personal vendetta that shotcoder has with me. Why not man up and just say it that i'm not being allowed to play because of a persons personal grudges against me?

When I am just trying to play in this league and enjoy it like everyone else, why would I not be treated with the same respect? The least you could have done was explain why I wasn't allowed to play without a negative demeanor, or maybe a more mature way of explaining the situation besides a "LOL", so sickening and pathetic the way that people act sometimes due to the influences of other people, can you not think for yourself?

Also there is still people being replaced for the tournament, even if my email was received a little late even though I sent it on time, I guess you would rather have Bye's in this tournament than a player? makes sense.... -_- Regardless gl hf to all in the tournament, i'm hoping to see some interesting results. Thanks.


Tue, Aug 28, 2012 11:58 pm

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I just want to clear things up. I was never contacted by Telecom or GGzerG or whoever about this league. Also I never responded to anyone other than LRM)Noone with the phrase QQ in the past week or so. Can I have the message and or the skype log regarding this?

Also I don't have any discretion with who and who not has been allowed to participate. I am merely a sponsor.


lol shotcoder you are such a liar and you know it...

Remember last night telling me on iCCup under you're "ASL.Chocolate" ID all that BM stuff you said to me, and all that other random things you felt like saying out of no where?( I know / remember this is you because this is the ID we spoke to each other before during the previous SM thing that never happened, others have told me and i'm sure a lot of people know it is you, and on top of that you bassically admit it in the VOD, for you to deny this is you would just be another sick lie.)

I asked you if i'd be let in ASL, and you responded with "QQ" , the only reason I am posting this is because you are blatantly lying, and asking me what was said / for proof of what was said, so I am posting this to refresh you're memory, and to answer you're questions.

Here is proof of some of the things you are denying and trying to pretend you didn't do(lol, and on iCCup you . at 51:54, bassically 52:00 minutes is when you start BMing me, at 53:37 you say " qq " , at 54:40 you say " wow you're bad " out of no where, at 44:20 -/+ you bassically admit you are shotcoder, and before that you say " play me scrub " and then tell me " fuck you ").

http://www.twitch.tv/telecomgaming/b/330313807

This is what one of the "Sponsor's" of the ASL's is like, I'm sure you don't treat everyone like this, but I think that you should at least have enough honesty, integrity, and respect for yourself and the people of this community to not lie, and just admit the fact that you aren't letting me play in this league for personal reasons, do you honestly want me to believe you have nothing else to do with anything going on besides the money?

Even if that were true, you guys are being so strict on mca for trying to help with legitimacy of the tournament, that one would think that it is taken very seriously how someone's conduct / manner is within the community when taking into consideration the administrators and or sponsor's of this tournament, noise / shotcoder, should also be punished for this ridiculous behavior for a sponsor / admin of this tournament right? I mean it would only be fair when taking into consideration mca64 I think. - -;;;

I understand I will not be allowed to play in the asl, the main issue here for me is the fact that shotcoder is proving to be an insane liar, you asked for proof, you asked for the information, so here it is ASL.Chocolate / shotcoder / noise, or who ever you are. gl hf gg.
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Shimy
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States771 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 20:52:56
August 29 2012 20:51 GMT
#105
On August 30 2012 02:12 GGzerG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 22:33 Shimy wrote:
On August 29 2012 12:51 GGzerG wrote:
Well GL to all, that is kind of unfortunate I wasn't allowed to play because the organizer holds a personal vendetta against me lol, oh well what can you do, Wish all the best in this league. Gogo nina~!

LOL

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1:58 PM (19 hours ago)


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Sorry bud, but you were late by almost 2 hours :/


Do you realize how immature and ridiculous it is that you answer my post with a "LOL" ? How am i , let alone anyone else supposed to take you seriously with what you are doing for the community when I write the absolute truth and the reply I am given is a "LOL" and then an abrupt straight up lie? I submitted my information IMMEDIATELY after you're post in the ASL original thread where you said " Hurry up guys, 3 hours left for signups!" , the fact you are telling me my signup was late is just a outright lie, it is so obvious because when I asked shotcoder last night if I would be allowed to play in ASL, all he said was " QQ ".

It is unprofessional of you to respond the way you did, and it is absolutely ridiculous to lie and say I submitted my info 2 hours late, when I know for a fact I submitted it before the deadline, the only way I wouldn't have was if the email was recieved later than I sent it. The fact that you reply with a "LOL" just lets me know how obvious it is that you are in on the fact that I am not being allowed to play because of a personal vendetta that shotcoder has with me. Why not man up and just say it that i'm not being allowed to play because of a persons personal grudges against me?

When I am just trying to play in this league and enjoy it like everyone else, why would I not be treated with the same respect? The least you could have done was explain why I wasn't allowed to play without a negative demeanor, or maybe a more mature way of explaining the situation besides a "LOL", so sickening and pathetic the way that people act sometimes due to the influences of other people, can you not think for yourself?

Also there is still people being replaced for the tournament, even if my email was received a little late even though I sent it on time, I guess you would rather have Bye's in this tournament than a player? makes sense.... -_- Regardless gl hf to all in the tournament, i'm hoping to see some interesting results. Thanks.


Tue, Aug 28, 2012 11:58 pm

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Just got home from school and have only read this, but I thought I should explain.

I LOL'd at the

Well GL to all, that is kind of unfortunate I wasn't allowed to play because the organizer holds a personal vendetta against me


That is absolutely laughable to me.
I in no way hold any sort of grudge towards anyone except those who try to bring down the organization of the StarLeague. You have done nothing wrong. The signups were posted with plenty of time. Waiting so long to sign up even though you knew of it was completely your fault.

GGzerG United States. August 18 2012 18:07. Posts 2748 PM Profile Blog Quote #
Wow this is so epic and huge for the bw foreign scene, thanks so much for hosting this , thanks to the sponsors, casters and everyone involved, this is quite easily the most epic BW tournament i've seen in awhile. Thanks for all of you're hard work, it's paying off!!


^Waiting 10 days to sign up for a league is LOLable.

Sorry if I offended you, but if you truly showed interest, I would advise you to sign up as soon as you can.

EDIT: I don't know if this has been mentioned, but this has nothing to do with Shotcoder. He's not on the staff of this league, but graciously sponsoring it. He has had no involvement with any of the organizing, decisions, or sign ups.
Eywa-: "What would it take in order for there to be an upset?" Largo: "The players of sas got cancer and died, what else could happen?"
BulgarianToss
Profile Joined May 2011
Bulgaria492 Posts
August 29 2012 21:14 GMT
#106
On August 30 2012 00:52 BulgarianToss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 00:29 Shimy wrote:
Incident Report



Due to the recent actions from the player mca64[KDV], he will no longer be allowed to play in the StarLeague and is from here on out banned from NoisE ASL 2. His offense was blackmailing the league. His message:

From: mca64[KDV] [ 73 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: hey
Date: 8/29/12 22:08
hey, ive got proofs that Rush = Bibian. Dont want to make a topic with it first, please talk to him and let him admit yourself thats he played for Rush... if not i will create topic within few days
Reply


The league rules state that any actions of this sort are banable offences. Sending blackmail messaged to league admins is entirely unacceptable and will not be tolerated. The offence results in a termination of mca64[KDV]'s right to participate in the NoisE ASL 2 and possible restriction from future events. The actions are still under review, however, the league would like to put a stop to any actions of this sort immediately.

Secondly, the accusations are entirely false, while it is possible to question his skill... Bibiane and RuSh' replays were analysed during ASL and the conclusion which zimp drew was that Bibiane and RuSh are indeed different players. zimp's conclusions cannot be seen as biased because he himself did not like RuSh's participation in the ASL.

Any further discussion about the matter from mca64[KDV] will be reviewed by the league and added to the database which could result in a longer suspension from play and/or permanent ban from any future events.

This decision is final.


ASL Administration


Hey, Shimy, come on.. how is this fair? mca was probably the most active player during the ladder stage and I think he has the highest amount of games played. First you guys say the reason behind this league is to inspire people to play and get better then you ban the most active of us for something very small. If he has proof that Bibiane is playing with Rush isn't it more considerable to investigate that first and then conclude that this is blackmail? For one thing, if he is right he is actually helping the league by removing a player that is way above other's skill. Sure you guys checked his hotkeys and did what was up to you, but he might have found out something using other methods. And even you admit that Rush's skill is questionable. I just feel banning mca is unnecessary at this point..


I'm an idiot O.O
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SlowBullets
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States839 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 21:29:48
August 29 2012 21:29 GMT
#107
Telecom, just get out and let the ASL go on in peace. We don't need your unnecessary drama.

Go host your own tournament or something.

1:1 go sc2 LAN? Oh wait...
Shimy
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States771 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-30 13:20:15
August 29 2012 22:16 GMT
#108
UPDATED FORMAT!

It is mandatory to read. Please make others aware if I fail to do this.



REVISED FORMAT!
The qualifiers will take place over the course of four days. Divisions A,B, and C will play 5 games on September 1st @ 19 CET and the remaining 5 games on September 2nd @ 17 CET. Likewise, groups D, E, and F will play 5 games on September 8th @ 19 CET and their remaining 5 games on September 9th @ 17 CET. Each player will be required to make an account on Fish server with the title ASL2 in front of it (e.g. ASL2.Shimy, ASL2)Eywa(, ASL2-NoisE, ASL2[Quirinus], etc) and meet in op ASL2 on the Fish server.
Eywa-: "What would it take in order for there to be an upset?" Largo: "The players of sas got cancer and died, what else could happen?"
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 22:26:42
August 29 2012 22:25 GMT
#109
On August 30 2012 05:00 GGzerG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 03:11 Shotcoder wrote:
On August 30 2012 02:12 GGzerG wrote:
On August 29 2012 22:33 Shimy wrote:
On August 29 2012 12:51 GGzerG wrote:
Well GL to all, that is kind of unfortunate I wasn't allowed to play because the organizer holds a personal vendetta against me lol, oh well what can you do, Wish all the best in this league. Gogo nina~!

LOL

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1:58 PM (19 hours ago)


Most well-known ID: TelecoM
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Sorry bud, but you were late by almost 2 hours :/


Do you realize how immature and ridiculous it is that you answer my post with a "LOL" ? How am i , let alone anyone else supposed to take you seriously with what you are doing for the community when I write the absolute truth and the reply I am given is a "LOL" and then an abrupt straight up lie? I submitted my information IMMEDIATELY after you're post in the ASL original thread where you said " Hurry up guys, 3 hours left for signups!" , the fact you are telling me my signup was late is just a outright lie, it is so obvious because when I asked shotcoder last night if I would be allowed to play in ASL, all he said was " QQ ".

It is unprofessional of you to respond the way you did, and it is absolutely ridiculous to lie and say I submitted my info 2 hours late, when I know for a fact I submitted it before the deadline, the only way I wouldn't have was if the email was recieved later than I sent it. The fact that you reply with a "LOL" just lets me know how obvious it is that you are in on the fact that I am not being allowed to play because of a personal vendetta that shotcoder has with me. Why not man up and just say it that i'm not being allowed to play because of a persons personal grudges against me?

When I am just trying to play in this league and enjoy it like everyone else, why would I not be treated with the same respect? The least you could have done was explain why I wasn't allowed to play without a negative demeanor, or maybe a more mature way of explaining the situation besides a "LOL", so sickening and pathetic the way that people act sometimes due to the influences of other people, can you not think for yourself?

Also there is still people being replaced for the tournament, even if my email was received a little late even though I sent it on time, I guess you would rather have Bye's in this tournament than a player? makes sense.... -_- Regardless gl hf to all in the tournament, i'm hoping to see some interesting results. Thanks.


Tue, Aug 28, 2012 11:58 pm

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I just want to clear things up. I was never contacted by Telecom or GGzerG or whoever about this league. Also I never responded to anyone other than LRM)Noone with the phrase QQ in the past week or so. Can I have the message and or the skype log regarding this?

Also I don't have any discretion with who and who not has been allowed to participate. I am merely a sponsor.


lol shotcoder you are such a liar and you know it...

Remember last night telling me on iCCup under you're "ASL.Chocolate" ID all that BM stuff you said to me, and all that other random things you felt like saying out of no where?( I know / remember this is you because this is the ID we spoke to each other before during the previous SM thing that never happened, others have told me and i'm sure a lot of people know it is you, and on top of that you bassically admit it in the VOD, for you to deny this is you would just be another sick lie.)

I asked you if i'd be let in ASL, and you responded with "QQ" , the only reason I am posting this is because you are blatantly lying, and asking me what was said / for proof of what was said, so I am posting this to refresh you're memory, and to answer you're questions.

Here is proof of some of the things you are denying and trying to pretend you didn't do(lol, and on iCCup you . at 51:54, bassically 52:00 minutes is when you start BMing me, at 53:37 you say " qq " , at 54:40 you say " wow you're bad " out of no where, at 44:20 -/+ you bassically admit you are shotcoder, and before that you say " play me scrub " and then tell me " fuck you ").

http://www.twitch.tv/telecomgaming/b/330313807

This is what one of the "Sponsor's" of the ASL's is like, I'm sure you don't treat everyone like this, but I think that you should at least have enough honesty, integrity, and respect for yourself and the people of this community to not lie, and just admit the fact that you aren't letting me play in this league for personal reasons, do you honestly want me to believe you have nothing else to do with anything going on besides the money?

Even if that were true, you guys are being so strict on mca for trying to help with legitimacy of the tournament, that one would think that it is taken very seriously how someone's conduct / manner is within the community when taking into consideration the administrators and or sponsor's of this tournament, noise / shotcoder, should also be punished for this ridiculous behavior for a sponsor / admin of this tournament right? I mean it would only be fair when taking into consideration mca64 I think. - -;;;

I understand I will not be allowed to play in the asl, the main issue here for me is the fact that shotcoder is proving to be an insane liar, you asked for proof, you asked for the information, so here it is ASL.Chocolate / shotcoder / noise, or who ever you are. gl hf gg.

That was me btw... Sorry for the confusion. Tried to tell you, but you wouldn't listen. PuppyKiller and AleC can confirm this. You keep throwing vendetta around as though you're not the one with the problem o_o afaik shotcoder doesn't really care about you, yet you talk about him all the time... I'm just sayin.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
SlowBullets
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States839 Posts
August 29 2012 22:31 GMT
#110
Shimy, this actually helps me so much because I was moving houses by the first of September.

Thank you!!
1:1 go sc2 LAN? Oh wait...
Messi
Profile Joined September 2011
United States212 Posts
August 29 2012 23:02 GMT
#111
nuuuuuuu... delayed until september 8th? when my school started? T_T_T_T_T
ENWL-Purple
Profile Joined November 2010
Hungary32 Posts
August 29 2012 23:25 GMT
#112
On August 30 2012 07:16 Shimy wrote:
UPDATED FORMAT!

It is mandatory to read. Please make others aware if I fail to do this.



REVISED FORMAT!
The qualifiers will take place over the course of four days. Divisions A,B, and C will play 5 games on September 1st @ 19 CET and the remaining 5 games on September 8th @ 17 CET. Likewise, groups D, E, and F will play 5 games on September 8th @ 19 CET and their remaining 5 games on September 9th @ 17 CET. Each player will be required to make an account on Fish server with the title ASL2 in front of it (e.g. ASL2.Shimy, ASL2)Eywa(, ASL2-NoisE, ASL2[Quirinus], etc) and meet in op ASL2 on the Fish server.


nice to see, then i can play all of my games^^
GO sas! GO F2F! GO nfteam! hungary fightin'
MaD[AoV]
Profile Joined August 2011
Norway170 Posts
August 29 2012 23:32 GMT
#113
On August 29 2012 22:56 mca64[KDV] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 22:50 Shimy wrote:
On August 29 2012 22:49 mca64[KDV] wrote:
On August 29 2012 22:37 Shimy wrote:
On August 29 2012 20:06 mca64[KDV] wrote:
one more question:
is there any race picker in Division B? or just race as shown


There are race pickers in every division. The little fine print states this:

Some players race pick certain match ups. The race by their name is the race they will be playing against that opponent in Round 1. After this, it is possible their races will change due to the race of their next opponent. If there is a disagreement, the referee will have the race of each player and verify what he/she has signed up with and has to use.


On August 29 2012 20:36 mca64[KDV] wrote:
i checked profile Munkie[wOk] and how guy who won vs Julia (aka Kinslayer, one of the best polish player for many many years, who won lans over Mistrzzz, Raven etc http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/Julia.html ) 2;0 and won 2 iccup tournamnets (and only in two he was played) is suposed to play in yellow ranks tournamnet? but thats ok for me, cause i still gonna win whole tourney...If you will win with Julia 2;0 at CLan wars for sure you are b-/b at least... while You checkin players do you only looks at max ranks? not looks at reps, eapm etc?


I've looked at all this stuff. People beat gosu's from time to time. This doesn't mean they are that level, it just means they can beat people. We've gone over this a lot in the past tournament.





thats your opinion, my is diffrent and im sure i am right, but you are admin so gl to him


I love how people just BM and then say "Oh, but you're admin so good luck and I'm sure you got everything under control".


its not bm. If You had checked Julia gamelist that you will see he doeasnt tose to Yellow ranks. In this season he go B- with 50;0 but nevermind. I just posted my thoughts


Not that my word counts, but Julia is a trash player who plays ranks -3 below him to acchieve ranks higher than he really is. I've asked him several times when we've been the same rank and he's either "afk" won't play or call me a hacker and leaves channel. He's REALLY a sad player.. 50-0 B-? With 50-0 vs equal ranks he should be B+.. No respect for players like that.

Good luck to everyone who participate!
C'est la vie.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10783 Posts
August 30 2012 01:08 GMT
#114
On August 30 2012 07:25 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 05:00 GGzerG wrote:
On August 30 2012 03:11 Shotcoder wrote:
On August 30 2012 02:12 GGzerG wrote:
On August 29 2012 22:33 Shimy wrote:
On August 29 2012 12:51 GGzerG wrote:
Well GL to all, that is kind of unfortunate I wasn't allowed to play because the organizer holds a personal vendetta against me lol, oh well what can you do, Wish all the best in this league. Gogo nina~!

LOL

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1:58 PM (19 hours ago)


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Sorry bud, but you were late by almost 2 hours :/


Do you realize how immature and ridiculous it is that you answer my post with a "LOL" ? How am i , let alone anyone else supposed to take you seriously with what you are doing for the community when I write the absolute truth and the reply I am given is a "LOL" and then an abrupt straight up lie? I submitted my information IMMEDIATELY after you're post in the ASL original thread where you said " Hurry up guys, 3 hours left for signups!" , the fact you are telling me my signup was late is just a outright lie, it is so obvious because when I asked shotcoder last night if I would be allowed to play in ASL, all he said was " QQ ".

It is unprofessional of you to respond the way you did, and it is absolutely ridiculous to lie and say I submitted my info 2 hours late, when I know for a fact I submitted it before the deadline, the only way I wouldn't have was if the email was recieved later than I sent it. The fact that you reply with a "LOL" just lets me know how obvious it is that you are in on the fact that I am not being allowed to play because of a personal vendetta that shotcoder has with me. Why not man up and just say it that i'm not being allowed to play because of a persons personal grudges against me?

When I am just trying to play in this league and enjoy it like everyone else, why would I not be treated with the same respect? The least you could have done was explain why I wasn't allowed to play without a negative demeanor, or maybe a more mature way of explaining the situation besides a "LOL", so sickening and pathetic the way that people act sometimes due to the influences of other people, can you not think for yourself?

Also there is still people being replaced for the tournament, even if my email was received a little late even though I sent it on time, I guess you would rather have Bye's in this tournament than a player? makes sense.... -_- Regardless gl hf to all in the tournament, i'm hoping to see some interesting results. Thanks.


Tue, Aug 28, 2012 11:58 pm

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I just want to clear things up. I was never contacted by Telecom or GGzerG or whoever about this league. Also I never responded to anyone other than LRM)Noone with the phrase QQ in the past week or so. Can I have the message and or the skype log regarding this?

Also I don't have any discretion with who and who not has been allowed to participate. I am merely a sponsor.


lol shotcoder you are such a liar and you know it...

Remember last night telling me on iCCup under you're "ASL.Chocolate" ID all that BM stuff you said to me, and all that other random things you felt like saying out of no where?( I know / remember this is you because this is the ID we spoke to each other before during the previous SM thing that never happened, others have told me and i'm sure a lot of people know it is you, and on top of that you bassically admit it in the VOD, for you to deny this is you would just be another sick lie.)

I asked you if i'd be let in ASL, and you responded with "QQ" , the only reason I am posting this is because you are blatantly lying, and asking me what was said / for proof of what was said, so I am posting this to refresh you're memory, and to answer you're questions.

Here is proof of some of the things you are denying and trying to pretend you didn't do(lol, and on iCCup you . at 51:54, bassically 52:00 minutes is when you start BMing me, at 53:37 you say " qq " , at 54:40 you say " wow you're bad " out of no where, at 44:20 -/+ you bassically admit you are shotcoder, and before that you say " play me scrub " and then tell me " fuck you ").

http://www.twitch.tv/telecomgaming/b/330313807

This is what one of the "Sponsor's" of the ASL's is like, I'm sure you don't treat everyone like this, but I think that you should at least have enough honesty, integrity, and respect for yourself and the people of this community to not lie, and just admit the fact that you aren't letting me play in this league for personal reasons, do you honestly want me to believe you have nothing else to do with anything going on besides the money?

Even if that were true, you guys are being so strict on mca for trying to help with legitimacy of the tournament, that one would think that it is taken very seriously how someone's conduct / manner is within the community when taking into consideration the administrators and or sponsor's of this tournament, noise / shotcoder, should also be punished for this ridiculous behavior for a sponsor / admin of this tournament right? I mean it would only be fair when taking into consideration mca64 I think. - -;;;

I understand I will not be allowed to play in the asl, the main issue here for me is the fact that shotcoder is proving to be an insane liar, you asked for proof, you asked for the information, so here it is ASL.Chocolate / shotcoder / noise, or who ever you are. gl hf gg.

That was me btw... Sorry for the confusion. Tried to tell you, but you wouldn't listen. PuppyKiller and AleC can confirm this. You keep throwing vendetta around as though you're not the one with the problem o_o afaik shotcoder doesn't really care about you, yet you talk about him all the time... I'm just sayin.



Wait so this whole time during when me and shotcoder were about to have our SM, u pretended to be shotcoder on asl.chocolate then too, and now you admit that was you and admit that was YOU starting all the drama / badmanner? Do you realize how unprofessional and ridiculous it is of you to act this way, and on top of that, would you even play me?

....

If that was you and not shotcoder i'm really surprized at you and you're behavior, and honestly that is even worse considering you do have a lot ot do with these organizations and " companies " , the way you act really helps you're "company" and the legitimacy of this tournament and you're organizations eywa, really impressed by you.

Really looking forward to us playing as well. gl hfgg.
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 30 2012 01:21 GMT
#115
On August 30 2012 10:08 GGzerG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 07:25 Eywa- wrote:
On August 30 2012 05:00 GGzerG wrote:
On August 30 2012 03:11 Shotcoder wrote:
On August 30 2012 02:12 GGzerG wrote:
On August 29 2012 22:33 Shimy wrote:
On August 29 2012 12:51 GGzerG wrote:
Well GL to all, that is kind of unfortunate I wasn't allowed to play because the organizer holds a personal vendetta against me lol, oh well what can you do, Wish all the best in this league. Gogo nina~!

LOL

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Sorry bud, but you were late by almost 2 hours :/


Do you realize how immature and ridiculous it is that you answer my post with a "LOL" ? How am i , let alone anyone else supposed to take you seriously with what you are doing for the community when I write the absolute truth and the reply I am given is a "LOL" and then an abrupt straight up lie? I submitted my information IMMEDIATELY after you're post in the ASL original thread where you said " Hurry up guys, 3 hours left for signups!" , the fact you are telling me my signup was late is just a outright lie, it is so obvious because when I asked shotcoder last night if I would be allowed to play in ASL, all he said was " QQ ".

It is unprofessional of you to respond the way you did, and it is absolutely ridiculous to lie and say I submitted my info 2 hours late, when I know for a fact I submitted it before the deadline, the only way I wouldn't have was if the email was recieved later than I sent it. The fact that you reply with a "LOL" just lets me know how obvious it is that you are in on the fact that I am not being allowed to play because of a personal vendetta that shotcoder has with me. Why not man up and just say it that i'm not being allowed to play because of a persons personal grudges against me?

When I am just trying to play in this league and enjoy it like everyone else, why would I not be treated with the same respect? The least you could have done was explain why I wasn't allowed to play without a negative demeanor, or maybe a more mature way of explaining the situation besides a "LOL", so sickening and pathetic the way that people act sometimes due to the influences of other people, can you not think for yourself?

Also there is still people being replaced for the tournament, even if my email was received a little late even though I sent it on time, I guess you would rather have Bye's in this tournament than a player? makes sense.... -_- Regardless gl hf to all in the tournament, i'm hoping to see some interesting results. Thanks.


Tue, Aug 28, 2012 11:58 pm

ASL registration
From joey streetsweeper113@aol.comhide details
To ASL2Register ASL2Register@gmail.com


I just want to clear things up. I was never contacted by Telecom or GGzerG or whoever about this league. Also I never responded to anyone other than LRM)Noone with the phrase QQ in the past week or so. Can I have the message and or the skype log regarding this?

Also I don't have any discretion with who and who not has been allowed to participate. I am merely a sponsor.


lol shotcoder you are such a liar and you know it...

Remember last night telling me on iCCup under you're "ASL.Chocolate" ID all that BM stuff you said to me, and all that other random things you felt like saying out of no where?( I know / remember this is you because this is the ID we spoke to each other before during the previous SM thing that never happened, others have told me and i'm sure a lot of people know it is you, and on top of that you bassically admit it in the VOD, for you to deny this is you would just be another sick lie.)

I asked you if i'd be let in ASL, and you responded with "QQ" , the only reason I am posting this is because you are blatantly lying, and asking me what was said / for proof of what was said, so I am posting this to refresh you're memory, and to answer you're questions.

Here is proof of some of the things you are denying and trying to pretend you didn't do(lol, and on iCCup you . at 51:54, bassically 52:00 minutes is when you start BMing me, at 53:37 you say " qq " , at 54:40 you say " wow you're bad " out of no where, at 44:20 -/+ you bassically admit you are shotcoder, and before that you say " play me scrub " and then tell me " fuck you ").

http://www.twitch.tv/telecomgaming/b/330313807

This is what one of the "Sponsor's" of the ASL's is like, I'm sure you don't treat everyone like this, but I think that you should at least have enough honesty, integrity, and respect for yourself and the people of this community to not lie, and just admit the fact that you aren't letting me play in this league for personal reasons, do you honestly want me to believe you have nothing else to do with anything going on besides the money?

Even if that were true, you guys are being so strict on mca for trying to help with legitimacy of the tournament, that one would think that it is taken very seriously how someone's conduct / manner is within the community when taking into consideration the administrators and or sponsor's of this tournament, noise / shotcoder, should also be punished for this ridiculous behavior for a sponsor / admin of this tournament right? I mean it would only be fair when taking into consideration mca64 I think. - -;;;

I understand I will not be allowed to play in the asl, the main issue here for me is the fact that shotcoder is proving to be an insane liar, you asked for proof, you asked for the information, so here it is ASL.Chocolate / shotcoder / noise, or who ever you are. gl hf gg.

That was me btw... Sorry for the confusion. Tried to tell you, but you wouldn't listen. PuppyKiller and AleC can confirm this. You keep throwing vendetta around as though you're not the one with the problem o_o afaik shotcoder doesn't really care about you, yet you talk about him all the time... I'm just sayin.



Wait so this whole time during when me and shotcoder were about to have our SM, u pretended to be shotcoder on asl.chocolate then too, and now you admit that was you and admit that was YOU starting all the drama / badmanner? Do you realize how unprofessional and ridiculous it is of you to act this way, and on top of that, would you even play me?

....

If that was you and not shotcoder i'm really surprized at you and you're behavior, and honestly that is even worse considering you do have a lot ot do with these organizations and " companies " , the way you act really helps you're "company" and the legitimacy of this tournament and you're organizations eywa, really impressed by you.

Really looking forward to us playing as well. gl hfgg.

I told you that it wasn't shotcoder (Hence I didn't pretend to be him).
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
August 30 2012 01:51 GMT
#116
On August 30 2012 10:08 GGzerG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 07:25 Eywa- wrote:
On August 30 2012 05:00 GGzerG wrote:
On August 30 2012 03:11 Shotcoder wrote:
On August 30 2012 02:12 GGzerG wrote:
On August 29 2012 22:33 Shimy wrote:
On August 29 2012 12:51 GGzerG wrote:
Well GL to all, that is kind of unfortunate I wasn't allowed to play because the organizer holds a personal vendetta against me lol, oh well what can you do, Wish all the best in this league. Gogo nina~!

LOL

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1:58 PM (19 hours ago)


Most well-known ID: TelecoM
Race*: ***********
Your MAX achieved rank: *********
IP address**: ***************
Easiest form of contact***: ********


Sorry bud, but you were late by almost 2 hours :/


Do you realize how immature and ridiculous it is that you answer my post with a "LOL" ? How am i , let alone anyone else supposed to take you seriously with what you are doing for the community when I write the absolute truth and the reply I am given is a "LOL" and then an abrupt straight up lie? I submitted my information IMMEDIATELY after you're post in the ASL original thread where you said " Hurry up guys, 3 hours left for signups!" , the fact you are telling me my signup was late is just a outright lie, it is so obvious because when I asked shotcoder last night if I would be allowed to play in ASL, all he said was " QQ ".

It is unprofessional of you to respond the way you did, and it is absolutely ridiculous to lie and say I submitted my info 2 hours late, when I know for a fact I submitted it before the deadline, the only way I wouldn't have was if the email was recieved later than I sent it. The fact that you reply with a "LOL" just lets me know how obvious it is that you are in on the fact that I am not being allowed to play because of a personal vendetta that shotcoder has with me. Why not man up and just say it that i'm not being allowed to play because of a persons personal grudges against me?

When I am just trying to play in this league and enjoy it like everyone else, why would I not be treated with the same respect? The least you could have done was explain why I wasn't allowed to play without a negative demeanor, or maybe a more mature way of explaining the situation besides a "LOL", so sickening and pathetic the way that people act sometimes due to the influences of other people, can you not think for yourself?

Also there is still people being replaced for the tournament, even if my email was received a little late even though I sent it on time, I guess you would rather have Bye's in this tournament than a player? makes sense.... -_- Regardless gl hf to all in the tournament, i'm hoping to see some interesting results. Thanks.


Tue, Aug 28, 2012 11:58 pm

ASL registration
From joey streetsweeper113@aol.comhide details
To ASL2Register ASL2Register@gmail.com


I just want to clear things up. I was never contacted by Telecom or GGzerG or whoever about this league. Also I never responded to anyone other than LRM)Noone with the phrase QQ in the past week or so. Can I have the message and or the skype log regarding this?

Also I don't have any discretion with who and who not has been allowed to participate. I am merely a sponsor.


lol shotcoder you are such a liar and you know it...

Remember last night telling me on iCCup under you're "ASL.Chocolate" ID all that BM stuff you said to me, and all that other random things you felt like saying out of no where?( I know / remember this is you because this is the ID we spoke to each other before during the previous SM thing that never happened, others have told me and i'm sure a lot of people know it is you, and on top of that you bassically admit it in the VOD, for you to deny this is you would just be another sick lie.)

I asked you if i'd be let in ASL, and you responded with "QQ" , the only reason I am posting this is because you are blatantly lying, and asking me what was said / for proof of what was said, so I am posting this to refresh you're memory, and to answer you're questions.

Here is proof of some of the things you are denying and trying to pretend you didn't do(lol, and on iCCup you . at 51:54, bassically 52:00 minutes is when you start BMing me, at 53:37 you say " qq " , at 54:40 you say " wow you're bad " out of no where, at 44:20 -/+ you bassically admit you are shotcoder, and before that you say " play me scrub " and then tell me " fuck you ").

http://www.twitch.tv/telecomgaming/b/330313807

This is what one of the "Sponsor's" of the ASL's is like, I'm sure you don't treat everyone like this, but I think that you should at least have enough honesty, integrity, and respect for yourself and the people of this community to not lie, and just admit the fact that you aren't letting me play in this league for personal reasons, do you honestly want me to believe you have nothing else to do with anything going on besides the money?

Even if that were true, you guys are being so strict on mca for trying to help with legitimacy of the tournament, that one would think that it is taken very seriously how someone's conduct / manner is within the community when taking into consideration the administrators and or sponsor's of this tournament, noise / shotcoder, should also be punished for this ridiculous behavior for a sponsor / admin of this tournament right? I mean it would only be fair when taking into consideration mca64 I think. - -;;;

I understand I will not be allowed to play in the asl, the main issue here for me is the fact that shotcoder is proving to be an insane liar, you asked for proof, you asked for the information, so here it is ASL.Chocolate / shotcoder / noise, or who ever you are. gl hf gg.

That was me btw... Sorry for the confusion. Tried to tell you, but you wouldn't listen. PuppyKiller and AleC can confirm this. You keep throwing vendetta around as though you're not the one with the problem o_o afaik shotcoder doesn't really care about you, yet you talk about him all the time... I'm just sayin.



Wait so this whole time during when me and shotcoder were about to have our SM, u pretended to be shotcoder on asl.chocolate then too, and now you admit that was you and admit that was YOU starting all the drama / badmanner? Do you realize how unprofessional and ridiculous it is of you to act this way, and on top of that, would you even play me?

....

If that was you and not shotcoder i'm really surprized at you and you're behavior, and honestly that is even worse considering you do have a lot ot do with these organizations and " companies " , the way you act really helps you're "company" and the legitimacy of this tournament and you're organizations eywa, really impressed by you.

Really looking forward to us playing as well. gl hfgg.


No during ASL it was me, I just havent logged on to that account since then.

Also, I would like to point out we were never about to have a Showmatch as you bitched out. Just wanted to clarify that one little point so everyone can remember how hilarious my Grudgematch thread was.
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SilSol
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden2744 Posts
August 30 2012 02:47 GMT
#117
I'm quite excited for the matchs! might be fun to watch hehe
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Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9110 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-30 06:40:34
August 30 2012 06:40 GMT
#118
On August 30 2012 07:16 Shimy wrote:
UPDATED FORMAT!

It is mandatory to read. Please make others aware if I fail to do this.



REVISED FORMAT!
The qualifiers will take place over the course of four days. Divisions A,B, and C will play 5 games on September 1st @ 19 CET and the remaining 5 games on September 8th @ 17 CET. Likewise, groups D, E, and F will play 5 games on September 8th @ 19 CET and their remaining 5 games on September 9th @ 17 CET. Each player will be required to make an account on Fish server with the title ASL2 in front of it (e.g. ASL2.Shimy, ASL2)Eywa(, ASL2-NoisE, ASL2[Quirinus], etc) and meet in op ASL2 on the Fish server.



How about groups A, B, and C play all their games on the 1st/2nd instead
Archaeo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States397 Posts
August 30 2012 06:43 GMT
#119
Was looking forward to playing soon, guess I have to wait ;;
Yo my chingu!!!
aquados
Profile Joined August 2012
Netherlands180 Posts
August 30 2012 11:47 GMT
#120
On August 30 2012 07:16 Shimy wrote:
UPDATED FORMAT!

It is mandatory to read. Please make others aware if I fail to do this.



REVISED FORMAT!
The qualifiers will take place over the course of four days. Divisions A,B, and C will play 5 games on September 1st @ 19 CET and the remaining 5 games on September 8th @ 17 CET. Likewise, groups D, E, and F will play 5 games on September 8th @ 19 CET and their remaining 5 games on September 9th @ 17 CET. Each player will be required to make an account on Fish server with the title ASL2 in front of it (e.g. ASL2.Shimy, ASL2)Eywa(, ASL2-NoisE, ASL2[Quirinus], etc) and meet in op ASL2 on the Fish server.

wait 4 days? i see A,B,C on september 1th and september 8th, and D,E,F need to play on september 8th aswell, and on september 9th. so we have 3 days lol?

i hope the play dates for a,b,c keep being seperated for a week so i have more time to prepare:D
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