On July 31 2012 12:17 KenNage wrote: someone kind enough to link me the ogn ling stream for VLC player?, the eSportsTV channel in youtube doesnt work for me
On July 31 2012 12:27 6NR wrote: I think jaedong forgot tank power in bw after playing so much sc2
I think he just forgot defilers existed and went like ok i'll attack now.
That or he suddenly had a illumination and went like "fuck it I want to play an Ace match"
Doubt it. He had all the time and resources to delay and go hive if he wanted. He just thought "meh I hav nuff, gg over for diz nub! lol" and then 1as and perpares to celebrate... and then "fuck bw tanks + stim marines! fuck gg"
jaehoon made the smart decision to pull probes and he also was really patient before engaging, and had some really close warps in at the end to hold the push!
but i like the build, i think it had potential if he had tried to harass + expand instead of pulling his scvs he could have bunkered up and still done a lot of damage.
lol wtf what game was that??? that was crazy hahaha
On July 31 2012 13:29 figq wrote: I think "head chef" is just a fancy way to say "the other head coach". The sponsor ICA's website seems legit, so.
did you read the flavor text about providing naniwa with nutritious foods, ICA is legit because it's a legit supermarket chain, lol
yeah, apparently there were open chats that lead to the whole thing, so it's gotta be confirmed troll then i was pretty sold at first though ^_^ swedish people are capable of playing it close to the troll edge without it being troll
Don't know if it was mentioned or anyone saw, but Jaedong's infestor control was beautiful. I'm not sure if he individually selects the closest one or it just happened by chance, but he also shift queues them back after laying on the fungals, instead of having all his infestors headbutting the toss army. Exxxxxcellent.
jd looks young again When he was getting owned by flash in '11 he just looked old and depressed all the time. sc2 seems to give him new hope and refresh his spirit
On July 31 2012 14:34 lichter wrote: Don't know if it was mentioned or anyone saw, but Jaedong's infestor control was beautiful. I'm not sure if he individually selects the closest one or it just happened by chance, but he also shift queues them back after laying on the fungals, instead of having all his infestors headbutting the toss army. Exxxxxcellent.
i saw it too. pretty scary what these bw guys can do to sc2 once they get really comfortable with it.
They are doing it the Jaedong way - lose first, get pissed, destroy the ground with them. (I've always wanted to get full stats of all time for winning a series after losing the first game - which I think Jaedong may come on top of - and also something that he shares with his idol, Stephano)
On July 31 2012 14:38 Hier wrote: Really hope Jaehoon/Baby are getting ready to take over in ACE matches. As it stands EVERYBODY is going to be preparing against Jaedong.
On July 31 2012 14:37 figq wrote: They are doing it the Jaedong way - lose first, get pissed, destroy the ground with them. (I've always wanted to get full stats of all time for winning a series after losing the first game - which I think Jaedong may come on top of - and also something that he shares with his idol, Stephano)
On July 31 2012 14:38 Hier wrote: Really hope Jaehoon/Baby are getting ready to take over in ACE matches. As it stands EVERYBODY is going to be preparing against Jaedong.
I actually think BaBy is better at SC2 than Jaedong. Jaedong just has the Ace Match Magic.
On July 31 2012 14:38 Hier wrote: Really hope Jaehoon/Baby are getting ready to take over in ACE matches. As it stands EVERYBODY is going to be preparing against Jaedong.
I actually think BaBy is better at SC2 than Jaedong. Jaedong just has the Ace Match Magic.
Well he was the Ace of Oz for several years he got lots of experience.
On July 31 2012 14:34 lichter wrote: Don't know if it was mentioned or anyone saw, but Jaedong's infestor control was beautiful. I'm not sure if he individually selects the closest one or it just happened by chance, but he also shift queues them back after laying on the fungals, instead of having all his infestors headbutting the toss army. Exxxxxcellent.
lol, this is nothing to him, he already does it all the time in BW. FUCK I NEED A CIGARETTE
On July 31 2012 14:35 eviltomahawk wrote: Cezanne doing great work as a coach, and the players definitely improving tremendously. Especially Jaedong.
Here's hoping Clide does similar wonders to KT and Flash in the near future.
While it's probably too late to matter this season, I imagine Clide will do similar things for KT.
I have a feeling the suddenly and mysteriously teamless Naniwa will end up on a KeSPA team soon, since he's not technically a GSL Player. I doubt they'll use him this season, but just to have an experienced SC2 pro in the house and have him for next season.
On July 31 2012 14:34 lichter wrote: Don't know if it was mentioned or anyone saw, but Jaedong's infestor control was beautiful. I'm not sure if he individually selects the closest one or it just happened by chance, but he also shift queues them back after laying on the fungals, instead of having all his infestors headbutting the toss army. Exxxxxcellent.
lol, this is nothing to him, he already does it all the time in BW. FUCK I NEED A CIGARETTE
Not a lot of players do it in SC2 because of the convenience of smart-casting
Jaedong is also one of the few Zergs to use multiple (more than 2) army hotkeys, even among BW players. For some odd reason a lot of BW players have developed 1-hotkey syndrome, which makes little sense considering they've been using multiple hotkeys for years.
On July 31 2012 14:34 lichter wrote: Don't know if it was mentioned or anyone saw, but Jaedong's infestor control was beautiful. I'm not sure if he individually selects the closest one or it just happened by chance, but he also shift queues them back after laying on the fungals, instead of having all his infestors headbutting the toss army. Exxxxxcellent.
lol, this is nothing to him, he already does it all the time in BW. FUCK I NEED A CIGARETTE
Not a lot of players do it in SC2 because of the convenience of smart-casting
Jaedong is also one of the few Zergs to use multiple (more than 2) army hotkeys, even among BW players. For some odd reason a lot of BW players have developed 1-hotkey syndrome, which makes little sense considering they've been using multiple hotkeys for years.
Don't all zergs use at least 3 hotkeys? I use 3. 1 for lings/baneling, 2 for muta or baneling if no muta, 3 for infestor. I saw flash games, he used 1 but he boxes his units a lot
On July 31 2012 14:38 Hier wrote: Really hope Jaehoon/Baby are getting ready to take over in ACE matches. As it stands EVERYBODY is going to be preparing against Jaedong.
It doesn't matter .
Also the games are so new they dont know his style yet
well aggressive.... but theyre probably gonna just try and send out zerg snipers and then theyre gonna get a curveball baby to the face.
On July 31 2012 14:34 lichter wrote: Don't know if it was mentioned or anyone saw, but Jaedong's infestor control was beautiful. I'm not sure if he individually selects the closest one or it just happened by chance, but he also shift queues them back after laying on the fungals, instead of having all his infestors headbutting the toss army. Exxxxxcellent.
lol, this is nothing to him, he already does it all the time in BW. FUCK I NEED A CIGARETTE
Not a lot of players do it in SC2 because of the convenience of smart-casting
Jaedong is also one of the few Zergs to use multiple (more than 2) army hotkeys, even among BW players. For some odd reason a lot of BW players have developed 1-hotkey syndrome, which makes little sense considering they've been using multiple hotkeys for years.
Don't all zergs use at least 3 hotkeys? I use 3. 1 for lings/baneling, 2 for muta or baneling if no muta, 3 for infestor. I saw flash games, he used 1 but he boxes his units a lot
Not until I stop seeing infestors headbutting marines will I believe they use multiple hotkeys :p
On July 31 2012 14:34 lichter wrote: Don't know if it was mentioned or anyone saw, but Jaedong's infestor control was beautiful. I'm not sure if he individually selects the closest one or it just happened by chance, but he also shift queues them back after laying on the fungals, instead of having all his infestors headbutting the toss army. Exxxxxcellent.
lol, this is nothing to him, he already does it all the time in BW. FUCK I NEED A CIGARETTE
Not a lot of players do it in SC2 because of the convenience of smart-casting
Jaedong is also one of the few Zergs to use multiple (more than 2) army hotkeys, even among BW players. For some odd reason a lot of BW players have developed 1-hotkey syndrome, which makes little sense considering they've been using multiple hotkeys for years.
SC2 has a lot of easy ways to do things that are pretty good, but not really good. You don't need multiple hotkeys until you've been playing long enough that 1A is instinctive. I remember Destiny saying once that he had a playstyle that got destroyed by drops, and was about to abandon it entirely before discovering "2". You start doing things the easy way, and don't stop until it's getting in your way.
On July 31 2012 14:38 Hier wrote: Really hope Jaehoon/Baby are getting ready to take over in ACE matches. As it stands EVERYBODY is going to be preparing against Jaedong.
I actually think BaBy is better at SC2 than Jaedong. Jaedong just has the Ace Match Magic.
While I agree I think JD is closing the gap. I also think that Baby has been eased into SC2 in a way JD hasn't. For the most part I feel like Baby has gotten more favorable matchups to slowly build up his confidence whereas it has felt, at least to me, that JD has just kind of been tossed into the fire.
Baby is so fun to watch though and I can't wait to see his progression. I hope he gains a level of consistency he never really developed in the BW. He was always kind of streaky and never seemed to reach his ceiling.
Anyway... this has been the happiest I've been as a JD fan in a LONG time.
On July 31 2012 14:34 lichter wrote: Don't know if it was mentioned or anyone saw, but Jaedong's infestor control was beautiful. I'm not sure if he individually selects the closest one or it just happened by chance, but he also shift queues them back after laying on the fungals, instead of having all his infestors headbutting the toss army. Exxxxxcellent.
lol, this is nothing to him, he already does it all the time in BW. FUCK I NEED A CIGARETTE
Not a lot of players do it in SC2 because of the convenience of smart-casting
Jaedong is also one of the few Zergs to use multiple (more than 2) army hotkeys, even among BW players. For some odd reason a lot of BW players have developed 1-hotkey syndrome, which makes little sense considering they've been using multiple hotkeys for years.
I think that is where Jaedong usually trump other sc2 players.. Using single hotkey can never be as good as using multiples...and jaedong's insane apm helps him to do multitask perfectly in sc2 where in sc its very hard.. I can see when HOTS will come out...Jaedong will be the first sc2 bonjwa (if he can delay,military service hopefully)
On July 31 2012 14:34 lichter wrote: Don't know if it was mentioned or anyone saw, but Jaedong's infestor control was beautiful. I'm not sure if he individually selects the closest one or it just happened by chance, but he also shift queues them back after laying on the fungals, instead of having all his infestors headbutting the toss army. Exxxxxcellent.
lol, this is nothing to him, he already does it all the time in BW. FUCK I NEED A CIGARETTE
Not a lot of players do it in SC2 because of the convenience of smart-casting
Jaedong is also one of the few Zergs to use multiple (more than 2) army hotkeys, even among BW players. For some odd reason a lot of BW players have developed 1-hotkey syndrome, which makes little sense considering they've been using multiple hotkeys for years.
Don't all zergs use at least 3 hotkeys? I use 3. 1 for lings/baneling, 2 for muta or baneling if no muta, 3 for infestor. I saw flash games, he used 1 but he boxes his units a lot
Not until I stop seeing infestors headbutting marines will I believe they use multiple hotkeys :p
True fact: There was a patch that reduced the speed of the infestor, and Idra said it was a buff because it meant your infestors wouldn't run ahead of your army and get killed, and it was the most depressing SC2 related thing I ever heard him say
On July 31 2012 14:38 Hier wrote: Really hope Jaehoon/Baby are getting ready to take over in ACE matches. As it stands EVERYBODY is going to be preparing against Jaedong.
I actually think BaBy is better at SC2 than Jaedong. Jaedong just has the Ace Match Magic.
While I agree I think JD is closing the gap. I also think that Baby has been eased into SC2 in a way JD hasn't. For the most part I feel like Baby has gotten more favorable matchups to slowly build up his confidence whereas it has felt, at least to me, that JD has just kind of been tossed into the fire.
Baby is so fun to watch though and I can't wait to see his progression. I hope he gains a level of consistency he never really developed in the BW. He was always kind of streaky and never seemed to reach his ceiling.
Anyway... this has been the happiest I've been as a JD fan in a LONG time.
Actually, I hope they do switch out the aces now.. Its starting to get apparent they are targeting Jaedong with the builds they chose. I trust Jaedong will pull through, but you can only get so far with skill/talent/good looks until snipers start appearing to take you down
On July 31 2012 14:38 Hier wrote: Really hope Jaehoon/Baby are getting ready to take over in ACE matches. As it stands EVERYBODY is going to be preparing against Jaedong.
I actually think BaBy is better at SC2 than Jaedong. Jaedong just has the Ace Match Magic.
While I agree I think JD is closing the gap. I also think that Baby has been eased into SC2 in a way JD hasn't. For the most part I feel like Baby has gotten more favorable matchups to slowly build up his confidence whereas it has felt, at least to me, that JD has just kind of been tossed into the fire.
Baby is so fun to watch though and I can't wait to see his progression. I hope he gains a level of consistency he never really developed in the BW. He was always kind of streaky and never seemed to reach his ceiling.
Anyway... this has been the happiest I've been as a JD fan in a LONG time.
Actually, I hope they do switch out the aces now.. Its starting to get apparent they are targeting Jaedong with the builds they chose. I trust Jaedong will pull through, but you can only get so far with skill/talent/good looks until snipers start appearing to take you down
Only so far? It took Hwaseung to Gwangahnli in 2009.
Sadface when two teams I want wins for have to play each other =/
On July 31 2012 14:55 ImNightmare wrote: I trust Jaedong will pull through, but you can only get so far with skill/talent/good looks until snipers start appearing to take you down
I agree yeah, the threat of using someone other than Jaedong should always be there to make enemy prep harder. I think Baby or Jaehoon are the two other candidates for this.
On July 31 2012 17:23 oBlade wrote:Only so far? It took Hwaseung to Gwangahnli in 2009.
This was during JD's reign at the top though (I'm pretty sure JvZ was in full effect and his other matchups were still scary as hell). Is it even possible to have that sort of SC2 dominance given how SC2 is designed?
On July 31 2012 14:55 ImNightmare wrote: I trust Jaedong will pull through, but you can only get so far with skill/talent/good looks until snipers start appearing to take you down
I agree yeah, the threat of using someone other than Jaedong should always be there to make enemy prep harder. I think Baby or Jaehoon are the two other candidates for this.
On July 31 2012 17:23 oBlade wrote:Only so far? It took Hwaseung to Gwangahnli in 2009.
This was during JD's reign at the top though (I'm pretty sure JvZ was in full effect and his other matchups were still scary as hell). Is it even possible to have that sort of SC2 dominance given how SC2 is designed?
It's definetly possible to achieve something similar or at least close in SC2 even if you consider the game flawed...there used to be NvZ in SC2 for quite a while but it's been long gone.
On July 31 2012 19:09 scrubtastic wrote: Sadface when two teams I want wins for have to play each other =/
On July 31 2012 14:55 ImNightmare wrote: I trust Jaedong will pull through, but you can only get so far with skill/talent/good looks until snipers start appearing to take you down
I agree yeah, the threat of using someone other than Jaedong should always be there to make enemy prep harder. I think Baby or Jaehoon are the two other candidates for this.
On July 31 2012 17:23 oBlade wrote:Only so far? It took Hwaseung to Gwangahnli in 2009.
This was during JD's reign at the top though (I'm pretty sure JvZ was in full effect and his other matchups were still scary as hell). Is it even possible to have that sort of SC2 dominance given how SC2 is designed?
It's definetly possible to achieve something similar or at least close in SC2 even if you consider the game flawed...there used to be NvZ in SC2 for quite a while but it's been long gone.
Don't forget Stephano's vP, he had like 90% winrate in EU
On July 31 2012 19:09 scrubtastic wrote: Sadface when two teams I want wins for have to play each other =/
On July 31 2012 14:55 ImNightmare wrote: I trust Jaedong will pull through, but you can only get so far with skill/talent/good looks until snipers start appearing to take you down
I agree yeah, the threat of using someone other than Jaedong should always be there to make enemy prep harder. I think Baby or Jaehoon are the two other candidates for this.
On July 31 2012 17:23 oBlade wrote:Only so far? It took Hwaseung to Gwangahnli in 2009.
This was during JD's reign at the top though (I'm pretty sure JvZ was in full effect and his other matchups were still scary as hell). Is it even possible to have that sort of SC2 dominance given how SC2 is designed?
It's definetly possible to achieve something similar or at least close in SC2 even if you consider the game flawed...there used to be NvZ in SC2 for quite a while but it's been long gone.
Don't forget Stephano's vP, he had like 90% winrate in EU
Ladder winrate is one thing, televised matches winrate is a completely different thing
On July 31 2012 14:55 ImNightmare wrote: I trust Jaedong will pull through, but you can only get so far with skill/talent/good looks until snipers start appearing to take you down
I agree yeah, the threat of using someone other than Jaedong should always be there to make enemy prep harder. I think Baby or Jaehoon are the two other candidates for this.
On July 31 2012 17:23 oBlade wrote:Only so far? It took Hwaseung to Gwangahnli in 2009.
This was during JD's reign at the top though (I'm pretty sure JvZ was in full effect and his other matchups were still scary as hell). Is it even possible to have that sort of SC2 dominance given how SC2 is designed?
Well they did send Jaehoon against Flash in the Ace and Jaehoon lost. And he had beaten Flash handedly in SC2 earlier in the day.
On July 31 2012 14:38 Hier wrote: Really hope Jaehoon/Baby are getting ready to take over in ACE matches. As it stands EVERYBODY is going to be preparing against Jaedong.
It doesn't matter .
Reminds me of the days when coaches wouldn't even field other zerg players because Jaedong had over 80% winrate vZ.
On August 01 2012 00:45 awwnuts07 wrote: Yes! JD is getting into SC2 groove.
But unfortunately also losing his BW groove ^^
Far from it. Hes still favored in a bo5 vs most players including fantasy.
No way man. Flash and Fantasy are unbeatable TvZ
Flash yes. Fantasy has improved a hell of a lot in TvZ, especially his bio play (so sad too since his bw career is being forced to a sudden stop when hes at his peak) but if both JD and Fanta had three weeks to prepare for a bo5 JD's ZvT is far superior to any TvZ Fantasy has ever played. Dont get me wrong though.. fantas is still a beast at vP and vT (lol flash) and is probably favored vs Jangbiiiiiiii
And yes if Fanta Jaedong play THIS MINUTE fanta might win cause hes probably playing BW like a madman while everyone else is focusing on proleague and winning ACE matches left and right. (o wait was that last part about ACE just JD? :D)
On August 01 2012 00:45 awwnuts07 wrote: Yes! JD is getting into SC2 groove.
But unfortunately also losing his BW groove ^^
Far from it. Hes still favored in a bo5 vs most players including fantasy.
No way man. Flash and Fantasy are unbeatable TvZ
Flash yes. Fantasy has improved a hell of a lot in TvZ, especially his bio play (so sad too since his bw career is being forced to a sudden stop when hes at his peak) but if both JD and Fanta had three weeks to prepare for a bo5 JD's ZvT is far superior to any TvZ Fantasy has ever played. Dont get me wrong though.. fantas is still a beast at vP and vT (lol flash) and is probably favored vs Jangbiiiiiiii
And yes if Fanta Jaedong play THIS MINUTE fanta might win cause hes probably playing BW like a madman while everyone else is focusing on proleague and winning ACE matches left and right. (o wait was that last part about ACE just JD? :D)
ehhhh... flash's vT peak dominace would have crushed fanta tbh.
On August 01 2012 00:45 awwnuts07 wrote: Yes! JD is getting into SC2 groove.
But unfortunately also losing his BW groove ^^
Far from it. Hes still favored in a bo5 vs most players including fantasy.
No way man. Flash and Fantasy are unbeatable TvZ
Flash yes. Fantasy has improved a hell of a lot in TvZ, especially his bio play (so sad too since his bw career is being forced to a sudden stop when hes at his peak) but if both JD and Fanta had three weeks to prepare for a bo5 JD's ZvT is far superior to any TvZ Fantasy has ever played. Dont get me wrong though.. fantas is still a beast at vP and vT (lol flash) and is probably favored vs Jangbiiiiiiii
And yes if Fanta Jaedong play THIS MINUTE fanta might win cause hes probably playing BW like a madman while everyone else is focusing on proleague and winning ACE matches left and right. (o wait was that last part about ACE just JD? :D)
ehhhh... flash's vT peak dominace would have crushed fanta tbh.
Well yeah... taking your name and team bias out of the equation, flash's peak dominance stomped on everyone TPZ alike
On August 01 2012 00:45 awwnuts07 wrote: Yes! JD is getting into SC2 groove.
But unfortunately also losing his BW groove ^^
Far from it. Hes still favored in a bo5 vs most players including fantasy.
No way man. Flash and Fantasy are unbeatable TvZ
Flash yes. Fantasy has improved a hell of a lot in TvZ, especially his bio play (so sad too since his bw career is being forced to a sudden stop when hes at his peak) but if both JD and Fanta had three weeks to prepare for a bo5 JD's ZvT is far superior to any TvZ Fantasy has ever played. Dont get me wrong though.. fantas is still a beast at vP and vT (lol flash) and is probably favored vs Jangbiiiiiiii
And yes if Fanta Jaedong play THIS MINUTE fanta might win cause hes probably playing BW like a madman while everyone else is focusing on proleague and winning ACE matches left and right. (o wait was that last part about ACE just JD? :D)
ehhhh... flash's vT peak dominace would have crushed fanta tbh.
Flash has very rarely ever crushed Fantasy. Their games have always been close.
On August 01 2012 00:45 awwnuts07 wrote: Yes! JD is getting into SC2 groove.
But unfortunately also losing his BW groove ^^
Far from it. Hes still favored in a bo5 vs most players including fantasy.
No way man. Flash and Fantasy are unbeatable TvZ
Flash yes. Fantasy has improved a hell of a lot in TvZ, especially his bio play (so sad too since his bw career is being forced to a sudden stop when hes at his peak) but if both JD and Fanta had three weeks to prepare for a bo5 JD's ZvT is far superior to any TvZ Fantasy has ever played. Dont get me wrong though.. fantas is still a beast at vP and vT (lol flash) and is probably favored vs Jangbiiiiiiii
And yes if Fanta Jaedong play THIS MINUTE fanta might win cause hes probably playing BW like a madman while everyone else is focusing on proleague and winning ACE matches left and right. (o wait was that last part about ACE just JD? :D)
Uhh I want JD to succeed too but you're nuts.
Have you seen JD's BW ZvT?
JD's ZvT over the last two PL seasons is hovering around 50%, including two terrible losses to fucking Canata. One of those losses was to a +3 air attack valkyrie build. Shameful. JD's last OSL ZvT was to Rush where he threw away a midgame advantage and didn't even make it out of the ODT.
JD's doing just fine in SC2. Shit, I'm happy for that and have been cheering him on. But JD's BW ZvT has gone from great to mediocre *before* the SC2 transition and it's only gotten worse, while Fantasy has only been getting better. Saying stuff like "favored in a bo5 vs most players including fantasy" will only get you laughed at.
On August 01 2012 00:45 awwnuts07 wrote: Yes! JD is getting into SC2 groove.
But unfortunately also losing his BW groove ^^
Far from it. Hes still favored in a bo5 vs most players including fantasy.
No way man. Flash and Fantasy are unbeatable TvZ
Flash yes. Fantasy has improved a hell of a lot in TvZ, especially his bio play (so sad too since his bw career is being forced to a sudden stop when hes at his peak) but if both JD and Fanta had three weeks to prepare for a bo5 JD's ZvT is far superior to any TvZ Fantasy has ever played. Dont get me wrong though.. fantas is still a beast at vP and vT (lol flash) and is probably favored vs Jangbiiiiiiii
And yes if Fanta Jaedong play THIS MINUTE fanta might win cause hes probably playing BW like a madman while everyone else is focusing on proleague and winning ACE matches left and right. (o wait was that last part about ACE just JD? :D)
Uhh I want JD to succeed too but you're nuts.
Have you seen JD's BW ZvT?
JD's ZvT over the last two PL seasons is hovering around 50%, including two terrible losses to fucking Canata. One of those losses was to a +3 air attack valkyrie build. Shameful. JD's last OSL ZvT was to Rush where he threw away a midgame advantage and didn't even make it out of the ODT.
JD's doing just fine in SC2. Shit, I'm happy for that and have been cheering him on. But JD's BW ZvT has gone from great to mediocre *before* the SC2 transition and it's only gotten worse, while Fantasy has only been getting better. Saying stuff like "favored in a bo5 vs most players including fantasy" will only get you laughed at.
At this stage, I'll favor Leta over Jaedong in a Best of 5.
I accept that JD is not as good in BW as he was in 2009-2010. But its for the greater good for him, I mean the transition is going to full SC2 so him being better in SC2 is great
On August 01 2012 00:45 awwnuts07 wrote: Yes! JD is getting into SC2 groove.
But unfortunately also losing his BW groove ^^
Far from it. Hes still favored in a bo5 vs most players including fantasy.
No way man. Flash and Fantasy are unbeatable TvZ
Flash yes. Fantasy has improved a hell of a lot in TvZ, especially his bio play (so sad too since his bw career is being forced to a sudden stop when hes at his peak) but if both JD and Fanta had three weeks to prepare for a bo5 JD's ZvT is far superior to any TvZ Fantasy has ever played. Dont get me wrong though.. fantas is still a beast at vP and vT (lol flash) and is probably favored vs Jangbiiiiiiii
And yes if Fanta Jaedong play THIS MINUTE fanta might win cause hes probably playing BW like a madman while everyone else is focusing on proleague and winning ACE matches left and right. (o wait was that last part about ACE just JD? :D)
Uhh I want JD to succeed too but you're nuts.
Have you seen JD's BW ZvT?
JD's ZvT over the last two PL seasons is hovering around 50%, including two terrible losses to fucking Canata. One of those losses was to a +3 air attack valkyrie build. Shameful. JD's last OSL ZvT was to Rush where he threw away a midgame advantage and didn't even make it out of the ODT.
JD's doing just fine in SC2. Shit, I'm happy for that and have been cheering him on. But JD's BW ZvT has gone from great to mediocre *before* the SC2 transition and it's only gotten worse, while Fantasy has only been getting better. Saying stuff like "favored in a bo5 vs most players including fantasy" will only get you laughed at.
At this stage, I'll favor Leta over Jaedong in a Best of 5.
Well...Everyone has their peak..Its so sad that Jeadong passed his peak(08-09) not playing player like flash and fantasy..And also anti zerg map also kicked in that time.... Flash dominated 10 and 11..but his play has dropped this year...well we can say that sc2 is the reason... but fantasy still couldnt create that aura that jaedong and flashed created...
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Jaedong < Neo Ground Zero > 
Canata
Sang < Neo Jade > ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/KQmps.png)
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So uncharacteristic of him.
gg
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