I've been away for some time, please tell me, is this the state of BW LRs now? I've been in 3 so far since Saturday, and there's practically noone in the thread anymore.
On July 16 2012 15:19 Abort Retry Fail wrote: hi Ribbon,
I've been away for some time, please tell me, is this the state of BW LRs now? I've been in 3 so far since Saturday, and there's practically noone in the thread anymore.
I don't know why you're asking me, I've been banned for the past week. ;_;
It's Monday, so it's super dead. The weekend LRs are a bit more lively, but still not much. Though, with the huge exception of the OSL finals, LR threads in the BW section have been kind of slow since I started watching BW live. (I watched only VODs in 2009), so I'm not sure what to compare it to. This is a little slower than normal, though.
Though, if the LR threads have been dead without me, I guess I'm the life of the party *sparkly heart shades*
On July 16 2012 15:19 Abort Retry Fail wrote: hi Ribbon,
I've been away for some time, please tell me, is this the state of BW LRs now? I've been in 3 so far since Saturday, and there's practically noone in the thread anymore.
I don't know why you're asking me, I've been banned for the past week. ;_;
It's Monday, so it's super dead. The weekend LRs are a bit more lively, but still not much. Though, with the huge exception of the OSL finals, LR threads in the BW section have been kind of slow since I started watching BW live. (I watched only VODs in 2009), so I'm not sure what to compare it to. This is a little slower than normal, though.
Though, if the LR threads have been dead without me, I guess I'm the life of the party *sparkly heart shades*
Ok. I asked you because on page 1 I saw only you me and the OP
On July 16 2012 15:29 N.geNuity wrote: shy is so fucking....well, shy .
he even asks for help (sos) and no one helps him. Commentators make him saw "yyyaaaaaaaahhhh" and stuff awkwardly
I liked it when they were encouraging him to do the "yaaaahh" stuff, seems like a good way to try to get him to open up. Looks like it didn't transform him since the interview just now was super shy!
I liked the clips they were showing awhile back where the guy was just going on and on, and the commentators were just laughing and letting him go. Dunno what he was saying but he was enthusiastic about it.
Piano does a cute low ground siege attack, but doesn't retreat after losing vision, and loses two tanks for it. Bit of a derp, but he's still ahead. He's taking a third, as the bio player is more zergy in this matchup.
Piano sieges all his tanks in a tight clump under enemy ravens. Light doesn't think to drop two auto-turrets in the center as a bomb and kill them all via splash . He doesn't need PDDs, he has 50 valks.
Piano tries to take a fourth, but Valks shoot it down.
Big air battle. Light has dark swarm and Piano doesn't, so piano loses all his valks and Light loses an hp or 2. That's a bad idea. Light double expands, with a tight contain.
Piano runs his army into sieged tanks. That's a bad idea, too. gg
KeSPA needs to get with the program and do Red vs Yellow instead of Red vs Blue. Blue Zerg is so hard to see on the minimap.
Standard openings. FBH no Naniwa fan.
Slightly old standard, actually. The SC2 metagame's been getting greedier and greedier.
FBH going Stargate off 2base, which gets scouted. Zero going Hydras in response, but FBH is obviously going Tripods, so I don't care much for that choice.
FBH does a 4 zealot....er....drop...and focuses a spore colony. Loses a corsair needlessly. Zero's counter to FBH's third doesn't do much. So neither player took much damage.
Good thing that SC2's units are easier to control and macro as well , so that Zero can't choke an advantage with bad decisions/control ala vs JangBi . He is gonna own in SC2 if he can get better in ZvZ .
Yeah I agree that SC2 matches are so much harder to come back from. A lot of the time BO loss completely screws you over, full stop; a mistake in the early game makes it so that your opponent must make many more later on to give you a chance; your opponent can easily build a lead if he's already ahead, etc. But FBH did almost come back several times there
On July 16 2012 16:48 MrRicewife wrote: Holy shit!!
This is the first time I watched bw pros play sc2...
Marine King, Stephano, DRG, Symbol... These players are jokes in comparison. This is ridiculous.
not sure if srs cause GSL players are still better right now just by experience and having resources
What does having resources mean ? Their only advantage is the experience . Strategy wise most of the Kespa players are up to date with the current metagame .
On July 16 2012 16:48 MrRicewife wrote: Holy shit!!
This is the first time I watched bw pros play sc2...
Marine King, Stephano, DRG, Symbol... These players are jokes in comparison. This is ridiculous.
not sure if srs cause GSL players are still better right now just by experience and having resources
What does having resources mean ? Their only advantage is the experience . Strategy wise most of the Kespa players are up to date with the current metagame .
Yeah its actually scary how fast these guys got up to pace o0 And these blokes have 2 games to play... wtf?
On July 16 2012 16:48 MrRicewife wrote: Holy shit!!
This is the first time I watched bw pros play sc2...
Marine King, Stephano, DRG, Symbol... These players are jokes in comparison. This is ridiculous.
not sure if srs cause GSL players are still better right now just by experience and having resources
What does having resources mean ? Their only advantage is the experience . Strategy wise most of the Kespa players are up to date with the current metagame .
experience with SC2.... also resources as in training partners and coaching and financial back up/sponsorship, team 8 is still operating on a basically no salary basis
On July 16 2012 17:02 Aerisky wrote: Yeah, they've been improving at ridiculous speeds.
At first SPL was being made fun of by everybody, but we might soon see who has the last laugh as the brood war pros really begin to get good at SC2.
I wouldn't be so quick to use the past tense, there. There's still a pretty severe quality gap between GSL and SPL. I don't know if any of the SPL players could take a Bo7 against Scarlett, let alone Symbol.
On July 16 2012 16:48 MrRicewife wrote: Holy shit!!
This is the first time I watched bw pros play sc2...
Marine King, Stephano, DRG, Symbol... These players are jokes in comparison. This is ridiculous.
not sure if srs cause GSL players are still better right now just by experience and having resources
What does having resources mean ? Their only advantage is the experience . Strategy wise most of the Kespa players are up to date with the current metagame .
experience with SC2.... also resources as in training partners and coaching and financial back up/sponsorship, team 8 is still operating on a basically no salary basis
SC2 teams have like no money at all, that's why they keep collapsing. oGs and Zenex fell in just the last few months.
On July 16 2012 17:02 Aerisky wrote: Yeah, they've been improving at ridiculous speeds.
At first SPL was being made fun of by everybody, but we might soon see who has the last laugh as the brood war pros really begin to get good at SC2.
I wouldn't be so quick to use the past tense, there. There's still a pretty severe quality gap between GSL and SPL. I don't know if any of the SPL players could take a Bo7 against Scarlett, let alone Symbol.
Mm fair enough, SPL games are still a long shot off from the level of the SC2 pros' games for sure.
I can't wait for the day when (I hope) they finally get really good and are able to invade GSL etc though~ The unfortunate thing about GSL is how few players are able to be in Code A/S, so you get many extremely good players stuck in Code A because of a bad day (or just losing to an even better player) or fantastic players falling to Code B etc. Though the dual tournament format may(?) help to remedy this a bit.
On July 16 2012 17:02 Aerisky wrote: Yeah, they've been improving at ridiculous speeds.
At first SPL was being made fun of by everybody, but we might soon see who has the last laugh as the brood war pros really begin to get good at SC2.
I wouldn't be so quick to use the past tense, there. There's still a pretty severe quality gap between GSL and SPL. I don't know if any of the SPL players could take a Bo7 against Scarlett, let alone Symbol.
On July 16 2012 16:48 MrRicewife wrote: Holy shit!!
This is the first time I watched bw pros play sc2...
Marine King, Stephano, DRG, Symbol... These players are jokes in comparison. This is ridiculous.
not sure if srs cause GSL players are still better right now just by experience and having resources
What does having resources mean ? Their only advantage is the experience . Strategy wise most of the Kespa players are up to date with the current metagame .
experience with SC2.... also resources as in training partners and coaching and financial back up/sponsorship, team 8 is still operating on a basically no salary basis
SC2 teams have like no money at all, that's why they keep collapsing. oGs and Zenex fell in just the last few months.
Anyway, I'm out.
I think most of the Kespa pros are already at the level of Scarlet and above . Most of them are korean GMs and high masters after all . Symbol's skill level is pretty high , but not out of reach for some of the top players in Kespa . I could see him droping games by some top Kespa players favourible vs Z MU , but yeah Symbol is still a level above them , but certainly not out of reach .
You can't really measure the skills , because PL uses a different system then other tournaments and they only play other Kespa players . They are completely blind to who they have to play against and they don't have the option of loser picking the next map . The skill of the coach and the team of predicting who will play on each map is pivotal for geting a favourible MU against the other team .Not to mention that they only play in PL with such a small sample of games from each player in Bo1 you can only get an overall feel where they are at , but certainly not messure in depth their skill level in Bo X>1 series .
I am pretty sure that Jaedong gets like a 100 000 $ yearly salary at least from Kespa and the other players in team 8 get like 50 000 $ salary or something. Most of the A-teamers i think have at least 50 000 $ yearly salary . I don't think Kespa will cut their salaries just because they've started playing SC2 . It doesn't make sense , since Kespa forced it on them . They can get pretty good training from ladder and in house training also between other Kespa teams .
On July 16 2012 17:02 Aerisky wrote: Yeah, they've been improving at ridiculous speeds.
At first SPL was being made fun of by everybody, but we might soon see who has the last laugh as the brood war pros really begin to get good at SC2.
I wouldn't be so quick to use the past tense, there. There's still a pretty severe quality gap between GSL and SPL. I don't know if any of the SPL players could take a Bo7 against Scarlett, let alone Symbol.
On July 16 2012 17:03 Caihead wrote:
On July 16 2012 16:57 raga4ka wrote:
On July 16 2012 16:49 Caihead wrote:
On July 16 2012 16:48 MrRicewife wrote: Holy shit!!
This is the first time I watched bw pros play sc2...
Marine King, Stephano, DRG, Symbol... These players are jokes in comparison. This is ridiculous.
not sure if srs cause GSL players are still better right now just by experience and having resources
What does having resources mean ? Their only advantage is the experience . Strategy wise most of the Kespa players are up to date with the current metagame .
experience with SC2.... also resources as in training partners and coaching and financial back up/sponsorship, team 8 is still operating on a basically no salary basis
SC2 teams have like no money at all, that's why they keep collapsing. oGs and Zenex fell in just the last few months.
Anyway, I'm out.
I am pretty sure that Jaedong gets like a 100 000 $ yearly salary at least from Kespa and the other players in team 8 get like 50 000 $ salary or something. Most of the A-teamers i think have at least 50 000 $ yearly salary . I don't think Kespa will cut their salaries just because they've started playing SC2 . It doesn't make sense , since Kespa forced it on them . They can get pretty good training from ladder and in house training also between other Kespa teams .
I read Caihead's post as saying SC2 teams had more money than BW teams, which may've been wrong.
On July 16 2012 17:02 Aerisky wrote: Yeah, they've been improving at ridiculous speeds.
At first SPL was being made fun of by everybody, but we might soon see who has the last laugh as the brood war pros really begin to get good at SC2.
I wouldn't be so quick to use the past tense, there. There's still a pretty severe quality gap between GSL and SPL. I don't know if any of the SPL players could take a Bo7 against Scarlett, let alone Symbol.
On July 16 2012 17:03 Caihead wrote:
On July 16 2012 16:57 raga4ka wrote:
On July 16 2012 16:49 Caihead wrote:
On July 16 2012 16:48 MrRicewife wrote: Holy shit!!
This is the first time I watched bw pros play sc2...
Marine King, Stephano, DRG, Symbol... These players are jokes in comparison. This is ridiculous.
not sure if srs cause GSL players are still better right now just by experience and having resources
What does having resources mean ? Their only advantage is the experience . Strategy wise most of the Kespa players are up to date with the current metagame .
experience with SC2.... also resources as in training partners and coaching and financial back up/sponsorship, team 8 is still operating on a basically no salary basis
SC2 teams have like no money at all, that's why they keep collapsing. oGs and Zenex fell in just the last few months.
Anyway, I'm out.
I am pretty sure that Jaedong gets like a 100 000 $ yearly salary at least from Kespa and the other players in team 8 get like 50 000 $ salary or something. Most of the A-teamers i think have at least 50 000 $ yearly salary . I don't think Kespa will cut their salaries just because they've started playing SC2 . It doesn't make sense , since Kespa forced it on them . They can get pretty good training from ladder and in house training also between other Kespa teams .
I read Caihead's post as saying SC2 teams had more money than BW teams, which may've been wrong.
Wasn't really the point of my post though, point was just that the established players who had been playing SC2 for 2 years and have resources in terms of coaching and practice partners and their own system of leagues etc vs Kespa players who are facing complete uncertainty. Kespa players are retiring left and right due to the transition. SC2 generally has financially uncertainty, it applies to both GSL and Kespa players once they fully switch over. Companies like MBC had more than enough to spare to financially support the teams, they just chose not to and focus else where, these salaries are indeed high, but the uncertainty is alot more scary than a pay deduction.
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