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corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
July 13 2012 10:02 GMT
#2301
ZerO threw away game 4 and played like shit in the late game 5. Horrible army control/multitasking. He was well prepared, but his play in itself was -_-
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NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
July 13 2012 10:12 GMT
#2302
Jangbi wouldn't be able to go down his ramp if only Zero didn't decide to pull his hydra army back for no reason at all and tried to kill some probes(even though he's already miles ahead in econ, only needs to worry about a timing attack), costing him 2 of his 5(?)remaining lurkers guarding the ramp. He could've held the contain and be able to drone a little bit more until he could expand while reinforcing the contain just like in game 2.
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18727 Posts
July 13 2012 13:13 GMT
#2303
yeah game 4 was horrible from Zero, horrible decision making from the spot
WaterTower
Profile Joined May 2011
France138 Posts
July 13 2012 13:44 GMT
#2304
On July 13 2012 19:02 corumjhaelen wrote:
ZerO threw away game 4 and played like shit in the late game 5. Horrible army control/multitasking. He was well prepared, but his play in itself was -_-


I mostly agree with this. Jaedong in his top form would have managed to pull off victories in both games.

Game 4: Zero clearly had enough hydras to take take out Jangbi's army in the final battle. Instead, his micro was bad enough to lose all the hydras to storm on low ground. On the other hand, Jangbi's micro, while not as good as BeSt's was enough to defeat a layabout Zero.

Game 5: Sloppy Zero.

You just do not lose 17 drones to one DT when you already have an overlord and lings nearby. Zero's decline in play reminds me of how SaviOr fell into that final unrecoverable slump.

Tsutchie
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia951 Posts
July 13 2012 14:03 GMT
#2305
On July 13 2012 22:44 WaterTower wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 19:02 corumjhaelen wrote:
ZerO threw away game 4 and played like shit in the late game 5. Horrible army control/multitasking. He was well prepared, but his play in itself was -_-


I mostly agree with this. Jaedong in his top form would have managed to pull off victories in both games.

Game 4: Zero clearly had enough hydras to take take out Jangbi's army in the final battle. Instead, his micro was bad enough to lose all the hydras to storm on low ground. On the other hand, Jangbi's micro, while not as good as BeSt's was enough to defeat a layabout Zero.

Game 5: Sloppy Zero.

You just do not lose 17 drones to one DT when you already have an overlord and lings nearby. Zero's decline in play reminds me of how SaviOr fell into that final unrecoverable slump.



i really really can't blame the players for sloppy plays this season because they have to pratice for sc2 aswell as bw. Zero is definitely a top player. he beat bisu when bisu was near invincible using the turtle zerg style he displayed in game 5.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-13 14:07:13
July 13 2012 14:06 GMT
#2306
On July 13 2012 22:44 WaterTower wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 19:02 corumjhaelen wrote:
ZerO threw away game 4 and played like shit in the late game 5. Horrible army control/multitasking. He was well prepared, but his play in itself was -_-


I mostly agree with this. Jaedong in his top form would have managed to pull off victories in both games.

Game 4: Zero clearly had enough hydras to take take out Jangbi's army in the final battle. Instead, his micro was bad enough to lose all the hydras to storm on low ground. On the other hand, Jangbi's micro, while not as good as BeSt's was enough to defeat a layabout Zero.

Game 5: Sloppy Zero.

You just do not lose 17 drones to one DT when you already have an overlord and lings nearby. Zero's decline in play reminds me of how SaviOr fell into that final unrecoverable slump.


Jaedong in his prime also lost many games to Bisu and Stork, thats a moot point. Stop downplaying it, there is no comeback without opponent mistake. And only top players were capable of seizing them. OSL and epic series are also about mental fortitude and JangBi proved to be one of the best fighters in this area. And zero got manhandled by lategame JangBi in game 5. Outmultitasked and outmacroed plain and simple. We can say IF that was jaedong from time machine, but the fact it was not.
Stork[gm]
Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
July 13 2012 16:04 GMT
#2307
On July 13 2012 18:10 sharkie wrote:
did we ever have a same pairings OSL final in a row?


No. The OSL has only even had the same finalists, not in a row, once (Stork vs Fantasy).
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Potling
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway298 Posts
July 13 2012 16:26 GMT
#2308
On July 13 2012 22:44 WaterTower wrote:
Game 4: Zero clearly had enough hydras to take take out Jangbi's army in the final battle. Instead, his micro was bad enough to lose all the hydras to storm on low ground. On the other hand, Jangbi's micro, while not as good as BeSt's was enough to defeat a layabout Zero.

Not just the micro. He threw away his lurker contain to kill some probes when he was already ahead.
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
July 13 2012 16:45 GMT
#2309
Watched this series 3 times already.
Once in Korean, once with Sayle and lastly with Nukethestars.

=]
NguN
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1322 Posts
July 13 2012 17:36 GMT
#2310
Had watched this after reading the OSL Kespa prelims, and had acidentally clicked the spoiler. I saw the name Zero and had assumed he won the match. Was so surprised when Jangbi won!

Great series!
Azriel
Profile Joined December 2010
Mexico462 Posts
July 13 2012 20:11 GMT
#2311
On July 14 2012 01:45 ShadeR wrote:
Watched this series 3 times already.
Once in Korean, once with Sayle and lastly with Nukethestars.

=]

Ah wait, you can watch this in english? thanks for telling me!
Wonders
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Australia753 Posts
July 13 2012 23:37 GMT
#2312
I REALLY enjoyed this series, haven't been so emotionally invested in the outcome of some Starcraft games for ages. As a zerg player I need to get something off my chest though. I hate to take anything away from Jangbi since he's a great player and definitely deserves his spot in the finals, but Zero played like an ASS in game 5.
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
July 14 2012 00:03 GMT
#2313
On July 14 2012 08:37 Wonders wrote:
I REALLY enjoyed this series, haven't been so emotionally invested in the outcome of some Starcraft games for ages. As a zerg player I need to get something off my chest though. I hate to take anything away from Jangbi since he's a great player and definitely deserves his spot in the finals, but Zero played like an ASS in game 5.

Yeah, his play was really depressing and tilting to watch.

(although it's better than seeing him 3-0'd in the finals anyways)
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
July 14 2012 00:56 GMT
#2314
On July 14 2012 09:03 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2012 08:37 Wonders wrote:
I REALLY enjoyed this series, haven't been so emotionally invested in the outcome of some Starcraft games for ages. As a zerg player I need to get something off my chest though. I hate to take anything away from Jangbi since he's a great player and definitely deserves his spot in the finals, but Zero played like an ASS in game 5.

Yeah, his play was really depressing and tilting to watch.

(although it's better than seeing him 3-0'd in the finals anyways)


The crowd's cheer for JangBi probably crippled him.

He looked STUNNED after that comeback.

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MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
July 14 2012 01:14 GMT
#2315
"Oh Jaedong wouldn't have lost that, hurr"

Well Jaedong got eliminated by Hyvaa, so blow me lol

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Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
July 14 2012 01:56 GMT
#2316
On July 14 2012 01:45 ShadeR wrote:
Watched this series 3 times already.
Once in Korean, once with Sayle and lastly with Nukethestars.

=]

i'd skip sayle tbh and watch Nuke twice if anything. Or korean 3 times.
☺
iyoo
Profile Joined January 2009
Korea (South)2 Posts
July 14 2012 02:05 GMT
#2317
Yeah, this was a badass series,
but when i watch games 4+5 i get really suspicious about Zero's loss...

I mean, wtf is happening there?
Instead of containing jangbi he takes back his hydras, and throws lurks+hyds into battle
like he has 200/200 o_O

im really glad for jangbi, i luv him,
but i cant understand what has happened there...
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-14 02:57:26
July 14 2012 02:56 GMT
#2318
On July 14 2012 11:05 iyoo wrote:
Yeah, this was a badass series,
but when i watch games 4+5 i get really suspicious about Zero's loss...

I mean, wtf is happening there?
Instead of containing jangbi he takes back his hydras, and throws lurks+hyds into battle
like he has 200/200 o_O

im really glad for jangbi, i luv him,
but i cant understand what has happened there...

Game 4: Shit micro.
Game 5: Shit play. Look at the part where he loses near 50 supply to a handful of cannons and two reavers, w/o even damaging the economy. Don't forget losing 2 bases of mining time to 1 DT per base when OL and lings are nearby.
☺
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
July 14 2012 07:27 GMT
#2319
Game 4 was unbelievable. And don't hate on Zero for game 5. It must suck having the crowd cheer against you like that

On June 22 2012 01:48 Djabanete wrote:
Prediction: Jangbi 3-2 Zero.

Nailed it! :D
May the BeSt man win.
Vazze
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden279 Posts
July 14 2012 07:48 GMT
#2320
Was Jangbi really that behind in game 4? After Zeros attack and JangBi lost his nnexus at his nat, they were at even supply. But Jangbi had so few probes so his army was still quite strong, not to mention he had storm tech, while zero still only had hydras after investing in the hydra bust.

While Jangbi Was very behind economically, I'm not sure the outcome of the last attack was SO surprising.
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