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[SPL] Grand Final: SK Telecom T1 vs KT Rolster - Page 19

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Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
April 08 2012 06:56 GMT
#361
Such a long delay, I feel for the players. The audience seems frustrated as well.

Going to take a break and get some food.
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pschiu
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore410 Posts
April 08 2012 06:57 GMT
#362
On April 08 2012 15:52 Release wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 15:50 pschiu wrote:
On April 08 2012 15:42 hydrogg wrote:
On April 08 2012 15:34 pschiu wrote:
On April 08 2012 15:26 Ryo wrote:
On April 08 2012 15:18 NicksonReyes wrote:
On April 08 2012 15:04 Release wrote:
CJ 1-0 SKT i nthe SF2 finals.
Hope this demoralizes SKT.

1-6 would surely be demoralizing. I hope they'll win the next set though, the third set is always exciting.
But if they don't, Dual Silvers isn't bad at all.

It's Bo5, so this might take awhile.

I'm curious about the balance of these maps. It seems that one side (usually the blue side) has a huge advantage. This wouldn't be a problem since they switch sides after 5 shootouts... except when there is a tiebreaker. So it would seem one team would have some X% advantage over the other based purely on which side they started at.

I suppose they would then swap starting-sides in the next map, but then the value of X would also be different for different maps. And eventually with odd number of maps there is still gonna be a tiebreaker which may give one team another advantage.

So who chooses the map order and how much did they consider all of these factors?


not sure how it is in SF2 but in counter strike tiebreakers are 3 rounds on each side, so both teams has the same amount of rounds on each side. If it is a tie again, there is another tiebreaker. The finals for CS at copenhagen games today had 4 tiebreakers

I watched some previous matches, including the (semis?) CJ vs KT. It seems tiebreakers are simply just one more round/shootout. So in this case it seems one team really has a huge advantage.

Although I'm also perplexed, cos depending on which two teams are playing, the same map could sometimes be a 5-0 for the blue side (whichever of the two teams are playing that side atm) and for another two teams it could become a more even 3-2 for the blue side (again for both teams playing that side).

Tried to find some thread on TL that discusses this (are there timing attacks, gambits, different strats/gun combis that counter each other?) but couldn't find any.

Each round is completely independent from the previous, so an advantage on one side is, well..., just that: an advantage.
In CS, they would do the 3 round, switch, 3 round thing. In SF1, i believe they played another match on the map with a lower round count. However, i'm not sure about SF1 since Baezzi's account got deleted.

Yeah I get that they are independent. Just thinking that if team A plays blue wins 5 times for 5-0, and then plays red loses 5 times for 5-5, as a spectator it doesn't feel "fair" that they're gonna be playing the tiebreaker for 1 more time as red again (and I seem to see this quite abit). The method you describe for CS seems fairer.
Aim 4 My Head
Profile Joined October 2010
New Zealand69 Posts
April 08 2012 07:01 GMT
#363
Dumb question (sorry if it has already been asked) - is the final just a bo1 or is it a bo3 like the other playoff stages?
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
April 08 2012 07:04 GMT
#364
On April 08 2012 16:01 Aim 4 My Head wrote:
Dumb question (sorry if it has already been asked) - is the final just a bo1 or is it a bo3 like the other playoff stages?

SC final? 1 day only. Bo7 match.
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NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 07:09:12
April 08 2012 07:06 GMT
#365
CJ 2-0 SKT
That long delay due to disconnections might be made up by a quick 3-0 or 3-1 win for CJ.
Edit: It's my first time watching SF2 live and it's really exciting. Btw, SKT Lost to STX in the SF2 PL finals last year right?
"Start yo" -FlaSh
reminisce12
Profile Joined March 2012
Australia318 Posts
April 08 2012 07:08 GMT
#366
KT 4-2
Ksquared
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1748 Posts
April 08 2012 07:08 GMT
#367
Why is the pro league final so late T_T
eSports for life.
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
April 08 2012 07:12 GMT
#368
Watching every Pimpest play from now until 2am
☺
jaQi
Profile Joined December 2010
1121 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 07:14:10
April 08 2012 07:13 GMT
#369
This will be an amazing final! Something extraordinary will happen!
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 07:17:15
April 08 2012 07:14 GMT
#370
SKTELECOOOOOOOOOOOM !!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

edit : watching SF2 now and I dont see much people there ! -.-

hope its gonna change for BW
T H C makes ppl happy
Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
April 08 2012 07:16 GMT
#371
THIS IS TONIGHT, THIS IS HAPPENING

The last time I watched bw was the week before Flash lost his first game, where he dominated ezpz.

This will be the same.

KT FIGHTING
OKAY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
April 08 2012 07:17 GMT
#372
Does anyone know if they'll do interviews straight after the game like they did during the season?
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
April 08 2012 07:17 GMT
#373
Excited for this! Go KT!
Maruprime.
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
April 08 2012 07:18 GMT
#374
On April 08 2012 16:08 Ksquared wrote:
Why is the pro league final so late T_T

I suppose it will attract heaps more viewers since it's on a good korean timeslot. Fantasy is the player I'm expecting most from. He should be able to beat everyone on the KT bench.
"I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully" -GWB ||
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
April 08 2012 07:21 GMT
#375
On April 08 2012 16:14 Sinedd wrote:
SKTELECOOOOOOOOOOOM !!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

edit : watching SF2 now and I dont see much people there ! -.-

hope its gonna change for BW

everyone is sleeping
☺
shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
April 08 2012 07:22 GMT
#376
OMG THIS IS TAKING TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO LONG q___________________q
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
jaQi
Profile Joined December 2010
1121 Posts
April 08 2012 07:24 GMT
#377
Where are you guys watching the SF2 game? I am on nanashins stream but it keeps loading and never stops?!
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
April 08 2012 07:24 GMT
#378
On April 08 2012 16:18 Emon_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 16:08 Ksquared wrote:
Why is the pro league final so late T_T

I suppose it will attract heaps more viewers since it's on a good korean timeslot. Fantasy is the player I'm expecting most from. He should be able to beat everyone on the KT bench.

I want flash vs fantasy on Ground Zero

I want epic TvT, been too long since the last 1
In the woods, there lurks..
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 07:28:16
April 08 2012 07:26 GMT
#379
On April 08 2012 16:24 jaQi wrote:
Where are you guys watching the SF2 game? I am on nanashins stream but it keeps loading and never stops?!

Try EsportsTV on youtube.

Is this another delay in the SF2 final? Geesh.

On April 08 2012 16:14 Sinedd wrote:
SKTELECOOOOOOOOOOOM !!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

edit : watching SF2 now and I dont see much people there ! -.-

hope its gonna change for BW

No worries, you gotta get separate tickets for SC and SF2 finals. SF league typically has fewer spectators.
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Vuk_91
Profile Joined September 2010
Serbia1690 Posts
April 08 2012 07:29 GMT
#380
On April 08 2012 15:55 BLinD-RawR wrote:
it seems like I may have a chance of watching....come on luck....

I thought I won`t be able to watch the finals. When I found out I will watch it after all I was so happy...Really hope that the same thing will happen to you!
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