EPT[OSL] Prelims Day 2 - Page 62
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
Thank you very much for vod links on youtube!!! | ||
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Chemist391
United States368 Posts
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SCnai
322 Posts
On April 03 2012 04:51 Chemist391 wrote: Horang2 is going to darkhorse this thing. Sadly, too many zergs in this OSL for this to happen. By the way, has Horang2's vT always been good, or has it exploded recently? I always classified him mentally as a vP sniper who can't play anything else. | ||
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
On April 03 2012 05:35 SCnai wrote: Sadly, too many zergs in this OSL for this to happen. By the way, has Horang2's vT always been good, or has it exploded recently? I always classified him mentally as a vP sniper who can't play anything else. Not to be too shameless but if you're interested in learning about Horang2 (and have a fair bit of time to kill), I wrote a thing about him last December or something. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=289418 | ||
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miercat
394 Posts
On April 03 2012 04:01 bearbuddy wrote: Don't think a zerg is capable of taking a game off of Flash. Barring some early game shenanigans, Flash would 3-0 every zerg out there. Jaedong is near 50% against Flash, over a fairly large sample size. Check your facts. | ||
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Chemist391
United States368 Posts
On April 03 2012 05:41 Bibbit wrote: Not to be too shameless but if you're interested in learning about Horang2 (and have a fair bit of time to kill), I wrote a thing about him last December or something. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=289418 Horang2 may just have the gumption necessary to crush 3hatch hydra busts, lurker contains on Sniper Ridge, and other tom-foolery. And then surge across the map with uncountable speedlots. | ||
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bearbuddy
3442 Posts
On April 03 2012 05:42 miercat wrote: Jaedong is near 50% against Flash, over a fairly large sample size. Check your facts. ... And 3 years ago, I would say that Jaedong would beat anyone in a bo5. Times change. | ||
Kiett
United States7639 Posts
On April 03 2012 05:42 miercat wrote: Jaedong is near 50% against Flash, over a fairly large sample size. Check your facts. The most recent JD vs Flash Bo5s: Flash 3-1 Jaedong (Korean Air OSL S2) Flash 3-2 Jaedong (Bigfile MSL) Flash 3-0 Jaedong (Hana Daetoo MSL) Winning a large number of Bo1s over a long period of time is not the same as being able to win a Bo5. The last time Jaedong managed to beat Flash in a BoX was over 2 years ago, and with a power outage to boot. | ||
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Ideas
United States8182 Posts
On April 03 2012 06:20 Kiett wrote: The most recent JD vs Flash Bo5s: Flash 3-1 Jaedong (Korean Air OSL S2) Flash 3-2 Jaedong (Bigfile MSL) Flash 3-0 Jaedong (Hana Daetoo MSL) Winning a large number of Bo1s over a long period of time is not the same as being able to win a Bo5. The last time Jaedong managed to beat Flash in a BoX was over 2 years ago, and with a power outage to boot. Jaedong beat flash in WCG Korea 2010 (Bo3)  | ||
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miercat
394 Posts
On April 03 2012 06:20 Kiett wrote: The most recent JD vs Flash Bo5s: Flash 3-1 Jaedong (Korean Air OSL S2) Flash 3-2 Jaedong (Bigfile MSL) Flash 3-0 Jaedong (Hana Daetoo MSL) Winning a large number of Bo1s over a long period of time is not the same as being able to win a Bo5. The last time Jaedong managed to beat Flash in a BoX was over 2 years ago, and with a power outage to boot. Check the original statement I was refuting: "Barring some early game shenanigans, Flash would 3-0 every zerg out there." Using past history, and the statistics you provided, I don't really see any indication that Flash can be reliably expected to 3-0 Jaedong in a Bo 5. In fact, after losing those BO series to Flash, Jaedong improved his ZvT tremendously, to the point that it could be his best current matchup. If you check the statistics, he is almost 75% for ~ past year vs T (nearly all against top tier terrans), and the improvement has been observable through his play style as well (not just statistically). If Jaedong has retained that form (after dealing with Oz disbanding) would I favour him against Flash? Not specifically, but he should be able to win a fair proportion of the games/matches - and perhaps even hover somewhere around parity. I never originally commented on whether or not Jaedong would currently be able to win a Bo series against Flash, just the significant improbability that Flash would be able to 3-0 him consistently. | ||
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Gescom
Canada3521 Posts
Yeah, but they were messing around for show. Flash won when it counted. XD | ||
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bearbuddy
3442 Posts
On April 03 2012 11:23 miercat wrote: Check the original statement I was refuting: "Barring some early game shenanigans, Flash would 3-0 every zerg out there." Using past history, and the statistics you provided, I don't really see any indication that Flash can be reliably expected to 3-0 Jaedong in a Bo 5. In fact, after losing those BO series to Flash, Jaedong improved his ZvT tremendously, to the point that it could be his best current matchup. If you check the statistics, he is almost 75% for ~ past year vs T (nearly all against top tier terrans), and the improvement has been observable through his play style as well (not just statistically). If Jaedong has retained that form (after dealing with Oz disbanding) would I favour him against Flash? Not specifically, but he should be able to win a fair proportion of the games/matches - and perhaps even hover somewhere around parity. I never originally commented on whether or not Jaedong would currently be able to win a Bo series against Flash, just the significant improbability that Flash would be able to 3-0 him consistently. JD 4 pooled for his lone win in the Korean Air, which is why I had the qualifier "barring some early game shenanigan". This puts it at 2 times out of 3 times where Flash essentially 3-0'd JD in bo5. Also note that this is pre-surgery Flash. Flash has yet to lose to a single zerg this season. While JD's ZvT is astounding the previous year, ask anyone how his ZvT form is this season and you'll get a collective meh. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5913 Posts
On April 03 2012 06:20 Kiett wrote: Flash 3-1 Jaedong (Korean Air OSL S2) Flash 3-2 Jaedong (Bigfile MSL) Flash 3-0 Jaedong (Hana Daetoo MSL) (Jaedong++) % 3. | ||
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Taekwon
United States8155 Posts
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mutton
64 Posts
On April 03 2012 15:19 Taekwon wrote: WHY NO TOSSGIRL WHYYY The player who beat her is the hero we deserve… | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10584 Posts
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Irratonalys
Germany902 Posts
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HQuality
2682 Posts
Horang2 is coming!! won God, now this! this man is made of steel | ||
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PurePwnageofTerran
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