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chongu
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2593 Posts
March 14 2012 12:33 GMT
#441
so CJ or at least hydra.. must be pretty confident to take the series no matter what. Or playing that strategy when everbody's sweating balls over 4th place -wouldn't make any sense.
SC2 is to BW, what coke is to wine.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7974 Posts
March 14 2012 12:34 GMT
#442
On March 14 2012 21:33 RJGooner wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 21:30 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On March 14 2012 21:29 RJGooner wrote:
On March 14 2012 21:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Another good trick is not to do ANY anti air for the whole game when your opponent plays valk. It's good cuz you lose all your overlord and you can't build any army.


I often use this strat when I play ZvT. Works really well for me.

Yeah overlords are overrated anyway


Really helps my macro out. Constantly having to reproduce overlords means it's a lot easier to keep my money low

Yeah. That's why I don't build gas. Where the build is really clever is that you don't need gas to make sunken.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
March 14 2012 12:34 GMT
#443
On March 14 2012 21:33 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 21:32 Sinedd wrote:
On March 14 2012 21:32 S2Glow wrote:
firebathero please come out!!!!!

THEROCK !!!


2base carrier rock!

I think this is his last season ?

so they could actually use him just to honor him or something..

they dont have anything to win here
T H C makes ppl happy
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
March 14 2012 12:34 GMT
#444
See his lack of turrets, money saved by having valks... all goes into vults, mines.. mines that can't be cleared without valks killing your overlords. It owns
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50629 Posts
March 14 2012 12:34 GMT
#445
On March 14 2012 21:33 shaftofpleasure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 21:32 Sinedd wrote:
On March 14 2012 21:32 S2Glow wrote:
firebathero please come out!!!!!

THEROCK !!!


Ace needs to win this so CJ can be out. DOWN WITH CJ! PLAY THEROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


hes probably too busy preparing for his wrestlemania match
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
March 14 2012 12:34 GMT
#446
Horang2 vs KaL ?
T H C makes ppl happy
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 12:35:11
March 14 2012 12:35 GMT
#447
An unexpected break of the TvZ trend: Horang2 vs Kal next!
G3CKO
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1430 Posts
March 14 2012 12:35 GMT
#448


ACE, you know who to send out right?
┌⋉⊳∀⊲) ☆ If your soul has not truly given up, then you can hear the sound that races through the end of the world.
shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
March 14 2012 12:35 GMT
#449
On March 14 2012 21:34 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 21:33 RJGooner wrote:
On March 14 2012 21:30 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On March 14 2012 21:29 RJGooner wrote:
On March 14 2012 21:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Another good trick is not to do ANY anti air for the whole game when your opponent plays valk. It's good cuz you lose all your overlord and you can't build any army.


I often use this strat when I play ZvT. Works really well for me.

Yeah overlords are overrated anyway


Really helps my macro out. Constantly having to reproduce overlords means it's a lot easier to keep my money low

Yeah. That's why I don't build gas. Where the build is really clever is that you don't need gas to make sunken.


In ZvT. I realized that you only need less than 2k gas.

All you need are cracklings for zerg to win the match-up
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50629 Posts
March 14 2012 12:35 GMT
#450
On March 14 2012 21:35 Nikon wrote:
An unexpected break of the TvZ trend: Horang2 vs Kal next!


GG ace
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
March 14 2012 12:35 GMT
#451
On March 14 2012 21:35 Nikon wrote:
An unexpected break of the TvZ trend: Horang2 vs Kal next!

guessed it right..

go go KaL I guess !!

decent PvP please !
T H C makes ppl happy
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7974 Posts
March 14 2012 12:36 GMT
#452
On March 14 2012 21:35 shaftofpleasure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 21:34 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On March 14 2012 21:33 RJGooner wrote:
On March 14 2012 21:30 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On March 14 2012 21:29 RJGooner wrote:
On March 14 2012 21:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Another good trick is not to do ANY anti air for the whole game when your opponent plays valk. It's good cuz you lose all your overlord and you can't build any army.


I often use this strat when I play ZvT. Works really well for me.

Yeah overlords are overrated anyway


Really helps my macro out. Constantly having to reproduce overlords means it's a lot easier to keep my money low

Yeah. That's why I don't build gas. Where the build is really clever is that you don't need gas to make sunken.


In ZvT. I realized that you only need less than 2k gas.

All you need are cracklings for zerg to win the match-up

Crackling suck. Pure overlord and sunken, that's the way to go. You need a lot of sunken. At least 8 at each base, and keep putting more. It's very good against tanks
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 12:40:57
March 14 2012 12:36 GMT
#453
On March 14 2012 21:32 shaftofpleasure wrote:
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On March 14 2012 21:31 thopol wrote:
I popped in halfway through, but that looked entertaining as hell. Strategically, Hydra might have been lacking, but he didn't seem to be tactically clumsy. Looked entertaining enough, though without seeing the whole game my opinion doesn't carry much weight.


Wth are you talking about? just watch the game dude. LOL

Well with the not tactically clumsy thing I was mostly referring to the burrow plays, which seemed timely executed. In terms of entertainment value, it seemed like a game where the terran kept things lively while building up a game-winning push, which is certainly more viewer friendly than well-executed defense. Not only did he keep the pressure on, but he did it with both drops and vultures, which didn't feel too rote. I guess I have the opportunity to watch the replay now, but I'll certainly check out the vod.

EDIT: Yeah, it's pretty inscrutable. That generally adds to entertainment value though, in that it's a unique game. Like I said, I only saw the latter portion, but dismissing the game entirely as shitty play doesn't seem warranted. You should try to consider what he was thinking and also appreciate it for the spectacle.
pencil-leads
Profile Joined November 2011
Singapore404 Posts
March 14 2012 12:37 GMT
#454
i want firebathero!! shit it
http://no-more-fairytales.com/scbw
pylonsalad
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada649 Posts
March 14 2012 12:37 GMT
#455
To be fair to Hydra, he got totally meta-gamed. He scouted a rax-depot wall that was not making any marines and he didn't see a fast CC. With that information, he had to assume some sort of vulture/wraith/drop play. He thought he was going against mech right away. By the time he realized it was a 4rax timing attack, he would not even have a lair ready. He had no choice but to make 15+ sunks. Canata was already way ahead just from the fact Hydra had to make so many sunks.
shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
March 14 2012 12:38 GMT
#456
On March 14 2012 21:35 Nikon wrote:
An unexpected break of the TvZ trend: Horang2 vs Kal next!


Now, why would Ace want to do that?

IMO, FBH/Irisvs Horang2 or Snow.

Or

THE ROCK VS ALL!
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7974 Posts
March 14 2012 12:38 GMT
#457
On March 14 2012 21:37 pylonsalad wrote:
To be fair to Hydra, he got totally meta-gamed. He scouted a rax-depot wall that was not making any marines and he didn't see a fast CC. With that information, he had to assume some sort of vulture/wraith/drop play. He thought he was going against mech right away. By the time he realized it was a 4rax timing attack, he would not even have a lair ready. He had no choice but to make 15+ sunks. Canata was already way ahead just from the fact Hydra had to make so many sunks.

You go pure sunken against wraith?
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
March 14 2012 12:38 GMT
#458
On March 14 2012 21:38 shaftofpleasure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 21:35 Nikon wrote:
An unexpected break of the TvZ trend: Horang2 vs Kal next!


Now, why would Ace want to do that?

IMO, FBH/Irisvs Horang2 or Snow.

Or

THE ROCK VS ALL!

Iris is so underused... -.-
T H C makes ppl happy
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
March 14 2012 12:39 GMT
#459
Hydra's idea was to fast +1, fast hive/nydus the far base and crazy-zerg i guess. But maybe he depending on mech opening for that.
RJGooner
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2076 Posts
March 14 2012 12:39 GMT
#460
If Kal wins this then 5th match will probably be FBH or Iris right?


Right?!?
#1 Jaehoon Fan! 김재훈 화팅!
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