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On February 20 2012 11:44 Keone wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 12:14 Lightwip wrote:
Terran scum.
It ain't easy being cheesy. Wait so is Flash the cheddar terran again Or is he the turtle terran again I'm so confused XD Anyway I just watched set 1 and Flash is making the 2012 BW scene look like 1999 all over again. Bunker rushes against Protoss?? And people complained when Boxer did it vs Zerg... lol.
I wonder what the correct response to that is. I guess adding gate doesn't really help. I think as soon as you scout it you start forge and make cannons.
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Sorry SC2 noob here, but is there a way to watch VODs for this? or do you have to wait a bit?
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On February 20 2012 04:36 Lightwip wrote:
The fact that Bisu has the highest PvP ELO right now proves that no one is really good at that MU.
lol, so true.
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On February 20 2012 13:17 Chickenlegs wrote:
Sorry SC2 noob here, but is there a way to watch VODs for this? or do you have to wait a bit?
www.youtube.com/esportsTV
TL also links to them in the small vod thread in bw discussion
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On February 20 2012 13:24 Kyuukyuu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 13:17 Chickenlegs wrote:
Sorry SC2 noob here, but is there a way to watch VODs for this? or do you have to wait a bit? www.youtube.com/esportsTVTL also links to them in the small vod thread in bw discussion
Ty
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On February 20 2012 04:30 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 04:05 Lightwip wrote:On February 20 2012 03:40 lespostea wrote:On February 19 2012 14:34 Scarecrow wrote:On February 19 2012 14:28 Mobius_1 wrote:
Whaaaaat soO beat Stats but Bisu lost?
World is pretty messed up right now. bisu is SO overrated considering only one of his matchups is S class Strange that nobody ever says this kind of stuff about stork... It's pretty obvious that it's only because Stork isn't a good enough player to have haters. That's why he's everybody's #2. Stork's my #1 all the way but I'm pretty sure that his vT and vP are decent. I dunno much about his vZ recently though.
Stork only loses when Zerg cheese him ;D
+ Show Spoiler +and that's almost every time.
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On February 20 2012 13:45 RezChi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 04:30 IntoTheheart wrote:On February 20 2012 04:05 Lightwip wrote:On February 20 2012 03:40 lespostea wrote:On February 19 2012 14:34 Scarecrow wrote:On February 19 2012 14:28 Mobius_1 wrote:
Whaaaaat soO beat Stats but Bisu lost?
World is pretty messed up right now. bisu is SO overrated considering only one of his matchups is S class Strange that nobody ever says this kind of stuff about stork... It's pretty obvious that it's only because Stork isn't a good enough player to have haters. That's why he's everybody's #2. Stork's my #1 all the way but I'm pretty sure that his vT and vP are decent. I dunno much about his vZ recently though. Stork only loses when Zerg cheese him ;D + Show Spoiler +and that's almost every time.
If everything goes as standard as possible, no Zerg can take him on straight up.
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[QUOTE]On February 20 2012 04:27 Xiphos wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 20 2012 03:40 lespostea wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 19 2012 14:34 Scarecrow wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 19 2012 14:28 Mobius_1 wrote:
Whaaaaat soO beat Stats but Bisu lost?
World is pretty messed up right now.[/QUOTE]
bisu is SO overrated considering only one of his matchups is S class[/QUOTE]
Strange that nobody ever says this kind of stuff about stork...[/QUOTE]
Stork has the 2nd best PvZ after Bisu. Stork has the best PvP and PvT. [/QUOTE
I seriously think Best has the 2nd best PvZ currently. Jangbi has the best PvT and nobody has the best PvP because its such a luck-based matchup.
However Stork is top 3 in every match-up and that's why he get credit for being S class.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Its retarded but Best somehow made a deal with the devil to trade his PvT for his PvZ or something, he has become pretty good at the matchup
then again maybe its also all of the zergs failing.
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I thought i just might point out that Bisu is in the Power Rank top 10, while Jaedong sits right out of the reach.
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The problem with PvP today is the maps. No, it won't lead to an imbalance(because it's impossible), but these maps are very aggressive maps. As such, it becomes very much a "rock paper scissors" matchup, not really rewarding skill nearly as much as a token progamer-level execution of the winning build.
Maps like Polaris and Central Plains are much more defense-oriented, and that's why they make good PvP's that reward the better player. These maps are all about 1 base aggressive shenanigans. That's why they suck.
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On February 21 2012 02:06 Lightwip wrote:
The problem with PvP today is the maps. No, it won't lead to an imbalance(because it's impossible), but these maps are very aggressive maps. As such, it becomes very much a "rock paper scissors" matchup, not really rewarding skill nearly as much as a token progamer-level execution of the winning build.
Maps like Polaris and Central Plains are much more defense-oriented, and that's why they make good PvP's that reward the better player. These maps are all about 1 base aggressive shenanigans. That's why they suck.
I agree. Its more rare to see comeback in PvP from a disadvantaged build than it is in ZvZ.
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On February 21 2012 02:06 Lightwip wrote:
The problem with PvP today is the maps. No, it won't lead to an imbalance(because it's impossible), but these maps are very aggressive maps. As such, it becomes very much a "rock paper scissors" matchup, not really rewarding skill nearly as much as a token progamer-level execution of the winning build.
Maps like Polaris and Central Plains are much more defense-oriented, and that's why they make good PvP's that reward the better player. These maps are all about 1 base aggressive shenanigans. That's why they suck.
I think the best way to play PvP to minimize those imbalances is to play as those doesn't matter. Aka Protoss should ALWAYS cheese each other to bring us the best of entertainment.
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Bisu and PvP makes me sad =( Better luck next time Bisu and SKT1!
... and FlaSh is a monster, still O_O Haven't seen BW for a while...
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Russian Federation3329 Posts
On February 21 2012 05:04 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 02:06 Lightwip wrote:
The problem with PvP today is the maps. No, it won't lead to an imbalance(because it's impossible), but these maps are very aggressive maps. As such, it becomes very much a "rock paper scissors" matchup, not really rewarding skill nearly as much as a token progamer-level execution of the winning build.
Maps like Polaris and Central Plains are much more defense-oriented, and that's why they make good PvP's that reward the better player. These maps are all about 1 base aggressive shenanigans. That's why they suck. I think the best way to play PvP to minimize those imbalances is to play as those doesn't matter. Aka Protoss should ALWAYS cheese each other to bring us the best of entertainment.
ahaha yeah... but Pure vs Bisu on Polaris Rhapsody? You have to admit games like those are amazing....
And I wish for swarm season... The zergs are having a very hard time right now... Since when has P>Z consistently? The P<Z<T<P balance is breaking... and BW is supposed to be the most balanced game ever... Hope that the mapmakers realize that Z players need a small boost from the maps... Plus, I'd love to see Jaedong rip everyone to shreds... And Bisu going on Zerg maps and still winning :D
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Crazy-Hydra beat By.Sun?
SoO beat Stats?
What?
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flash cheesing is a way of him to be on the top
because the more unpredictable his game can be, the more impossible it is to defeat him
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On February 20 2012 18:07 Kipsate wrote:
Its retarded but Best somehow made a deal with the devil to trade his PvT for his PvZ or something, he has become pretty good at the matchup
then again maybe its also all of the zergs failing.
Best's PvZ record this season: wins over Jaedong, Crazy-Hydra, Hydra, Hoejja, Neo.G soulkey, Effort; lost to calm.
Bisu's PvZ record this season: wins over Action, Great, Effort.
Best's PvT record this season: win over light, lost to last, turn, and flash.
Bisu's PvT record this season: win over canata, lost to Bogus and hOn_sin
Best has a better PvZ record than Bisu this season (wins over every top zerg player except zero) and both have bad PvT records. I don't even now what's going on any more.
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T>P>Z>T it seems
game-breaking, I know.
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EPT
