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pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5098 Posts
February 20 2012 03:07 GMT
#1401
On February 20 2012 11:44 Keone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2012 12:14 Lightwip wrote:
Terran scum.
It ain't easy being cheesy.

Wait so is Flash the cheddar terran again
Or is he the turtle terran again
I'm so confused XD

Anyway I just watched set 1 and Flash is making the 2012 BW scene look like 1999 all over again. Bunker rushes against Protoss?? And people complained when Boxer did it vs Zerg... lol.

I wonder what the correct response to that is. I guess adding gate doesn't really help. I think as soon as you scout it you start forge and make cannons.
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
Chickenlegs
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden451 Posts
February 20 2012 04:17 GMT
#1402
Sorry SC2 noob here, but is there a way to watch VODs for this? or do you have to wait a bit?
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
February 20 2012 04:20 GMT
#1403
On February 20 2012 04:36 Lightwip wrote:
The fact that Bisu has the highest PvP ELO right now proves that no one is really good at that MU.



lol, so true.
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-20 04:24:29
February 20 2012 04:24 GMT
#1404
On February 20 2012 13:17 Chickenlegs wrote:
Sorry SC2 noob here, but is there a way to watch VODs for this? or do you have to wait a bit?


www.youtube.com/esportsTV

TL also links to them in the small vod thread in bw discussion
Chickenlegs
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden451 Posts
February 20 2012 04:25 GMT
#1405
On February 20 2012 13:24 Kyuukyuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2012 13:17 Chickenlegs wrote:
Sorry SC2 noob here, but is there a way to watch VODs for this? or do you have to wait a bit?


www.youtube.com/esportsTV

TL also links to them in the small vod thread in bw discussion


Ty
RezChi
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2368 Posts
February 20 2012 04:45 GMT
#1406
On February 20 2012 04:30 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2012 04:05 Lightwip wrote:
On February 20 2012 03:40 lespostea wrote:
On February 19 2012 14:34 Scarecrow wrote:
On February 19 2012 14:28 Mobius_1 wrote:
Whaaaaat soO beat Stats but Bisu lost?

World is pretty messed up right now.

bisu is SO overrated considering only one of his matchups is S class


Strange that nobody ever says this kind of stuff about stork...

It's pretty obvious that it's only because Stork isn't a good enough player to have haters.
That's why he's everybody's #2.


Stork's my #1 all the way but I'm pretty sure that his vT and vP are decent. I dunno much about his vZ recently though.

Stork only loses when Zerg cheese him ;D
+ Show Spoiler +
and that's almost every time.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
February 20 2012 04:49 GMT
#1407
On February 20 2012 13:45 RezChi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2012 04:30 IntoTheheart wrote:
On February 20 2012 04:05 Lightwip wrote:
On February 20 2012 03:40 lespostea wrote:
On February 19 2012 14:34 Scarecrow wrote:
On February 19 2012 14:28 Mobius_1 wrote:
Whaaaaat soO beat Stats but Bisu lost?

World is pretty messed up right now.

bisu is SO overrated considering only one of his matchups is S class


Strange that nobody ever says this kind of stuff about stork...

It's pretty obvious that it's only because Stork isn't a good enough player to have haters.
That's why he's everybody's #2.


Stork's my #1 all the way but I'm pretty sure that his vT and vP are decent. I dunno much about his vZ recently though.

Stork only loses when Zerg cheese him ;D
+ Show Spoiler +
and that's almost every time.


If everything goes as standard as possible, no Zerg can take him on straight up.
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cabarkapa
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1013 Posts
February 20 2012 05:57 GMT
#1408
On February 20 2012 04:21 Vargavaka wrote:
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On February 20 2012 00:37 bentnormal wrote:
But those games were from the OSL. Is the 15 game streak proleague only? Because Bisu's TLPD states 12 games win streak, which isn't 15 at all.

I'm not sure where the 15 wins comes from I admit, but to me the only longest streak that matters is an actually uninterrupted streak. "Longest streak versus race X or Y" or "longest proleague streak" are all selective sample sizes to skew the data and not particularly interesting (in my opinion).

It's really cool to watch Flash play this season though. It's just as if he said he's not going to lose, and then he doesn't. Just like that.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=125&part=games&vs=all&league=team&map=any&from_year=2005&from_month=9&from_day=28&to_year=2012&to_month=2&to_day=19&action=Update#tblt-3186-2-1-DESC

Setting his games to "Team Leagues" will show a 15 game streak.

They probably don't carry over Flash's two games against Best because it was either playoffs or just because it was last season. Though I don't know, just guessing.
Jaehoon - Master strategist
pylonsalad
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada649 Posts
February 20 2012 08:18 GMT
#1409
[QUOTE]On February 20 2012 04:27 Xiphos wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 20 2012 03:40 lespostea wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 19 2012 14:34 Scarecrow wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 19 2012 14:28 Mobius_1 wrote:
Whaaaaat soO beat Stats but Bisu lost?

World is pretty messed up right now.[/QUOTE]
bisu is SO overrated considering only one of his matchups is S class[/QUOTE]

Strange that nobody ever says this kind of stuff about stork...[/QUOTE]

Stork has the 2nd best PvZ after Bisu. Stork has the best PvP and PvT. [/QUOTE

I seriously think Best has the 2nd best PvZ currently. Jangbi has the best PvT and nobody has the best PvP because its such a luck-based matchup.

However Stork is top 3 in every match-up and that's why he get credit for being S class.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
February 20 2012 09:07 GMT
#1410
Its retarded but Best somehow made a deal with the devil to trade his PvT for his PvZ or something, he has become pretty good at the matchup

then again maybe its also all of the zergs failing.
WriterXiao8~~
Gairbear
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States80 Posts
February 20 2012 10:56 GMT
#1411
I thought i just might point out that Bisu is in the Power Rank top 10, while Jaedong sits right out of the reach.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
February 20 2012 17:06 GMT
#1412
The problem with PvP today is the maps. No, it won't lead to an imbalance(because it's impossible), but these maps are very aggressive maps. As such, it becomes very much a "rock paper scissors" matchup, not really rewarding skill nearly as much as a token progamer-level execution of the winning build.
Maps like Polaris and Central Plains are much more defense-oriented, and that's why they make good PvP's that reward the better player. These maps are all about 1 base aggressive shenanigans. That's why they suck.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
pylonsalad
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada649 Posts
February 20 2012 19:22 GMT
#1413
On February 21 2012 02:06 Lightwip wrote:
The problem with PvP today is the maps. No, it won't lead to an imbalance(because it's impossible), but these maps are very aggressive maps. As such, it becomes very much a "rock paper scissors" matchup, not really rewarding skill nearly as much as a token progamer-level execution of the winning build.
Maps like Polaris and Central Plains are much more defense-oriented, and that's why they make good PvP's that reward the better player. These maps are all about 1 base aggressive shenanigans. That's why they suck.


I agree. Its more rare to see comeback in PvP from a disadvantaged build than it is in ZvZ.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
February 20 2012 20:04 GMT
#1414
On February 21 2012 02:06 Lightwip wrote:
The problem with PvP today is the maps. No, it won't lead to an imbalance(because it's impossible), but these maps are very aggressive maps. As such, it becomes very much a "rock paper scissors" matchup, not really rewarding skill nearly as much as a token progamer-level execution of the winning build.
Maps like Polaris and Central Plains are much more defense-oriented, and that's why they make good PvP's that reward the better player. These maps are all about 1 base aggressive shenanigans. That's why they suck.


I think the best way to play PvP to minimize those imbalances is to play as those doesn't matter. Aka Protoss should ALWAYS cheese each other to bring us the best of entertainment.
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
arew
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Lithuania1861 Posts
February 20 2012 20:50 GMT
#1415
Bisu and PvP makes me sad =( Better luck next time Bisu and SKT1!
... and FlaSh is a monster, still O_O Haven't seen BW for a while...
750/750 emotions fully stacked
Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3339 Posts
February 20 2012 22:42 GMT
#1416
On February 21 2012 05:04 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2012 02:06 Lightwip wrote:
The problem with PvP today is the maps. No, it won't lead to an imbalance(because it's impossible), but these maps are very aggressive maps. As such, it becomes very much a "rock paper scissors" matchup, not really rewarding skill nearly as much as a token progamer-level execution of the winning build.
Maps like Polaris and Central Plains are much more defense-oriented, and that's why they make good PvP's that reward the better player. These maps are all about 1 base aggressive shenanigans. That's why they suck.


I think the best way to play PvP to minimize those imbalances is to play as those doesn't matter. Aka Protoss should ALWAYS cheese each other to bring us the best of entertainment.

ahaha yeah... but Pure vs Bisu on Polaris Rhapsody? You have to admit games like those are amazing....
And I wish for swarm season... The zergs are having a very hard time right now... Since when has P>Z consistently? The P<Z<T<P balance is breaking... and BW is supposed to be the most balanced game ever... Hope that the mapmakers realize that Z players need a small boost from the maps... Plus, I'd love to see Jaedong rip everyone to shreds... And Bisu going on Zerg maps and still winning :D
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sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
February 21 2012 00:00 GMT
#1417
Crazy-Hydra beat By.Sun?

SoO beat Stats?


What?
Come play Android Netrunner - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409008
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
February 21 2012 00:17 GMT
#1418
flash cheesing is a way of him to be on the top

because the more unpredictable his game can be, the more impossible it is to defeat him
BW is back
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
February 21 2012 00:31 GMT
#1419
On February 20 2012 18:07 Kipsate wrote:
Its retarded but Best somehow made a deal with the devil to trade his PvT for his PvZ or something, he has become pretty good at the matchup

then again maybe its also all of the zergs failing.


Best's PvZ record this season: wins over Jaedong, Crazy-Hydra, Hydra, Hoejja, Neo.G soulkey, Effort; lost to calm.
Bisu's PvZ record this season: wins over Action, Great, Effort.

Best's PvT record this season: win over light, lost to last, turn, and flash.
Bisu's PvT record this season: win over canata, lost to Bogus and hOn_sin

Best has a better PvZ record than Bisu this season (wins over every top zerg player except zero) and both have bad PvT records. I don't even now what's going on any more.
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greggy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom1483 Posts
February 21 2012 00:39 GMT
#1420
T>P>Z>T it seems

game-breaking, I know.
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