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KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
February 12 2012 06:41 GMT
#661
taekwon rules for translating
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
February 12 2012 06:41 GMT
#662
On February 12 2012 15:37 mustaju wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2012 15:35 ArvickHero wrote:
I'd say the problem was the Lurkers. They were fairly useless, for the most part, and took away precious gas from what could've been Mutas, upgrades or what-not

Yes, because pure hydra can't just be 1a2a3a-ed by Zealots with stormsupport.

because instead of Lurkers, it should've been Mutas to keep sniping HT .. critical mass Hydras will roll the protoss army without storm support, as we clearly saw in the first huge engagement
Writerptrk
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
February 12 2012 06:41 GMT
#663
On February 12 2012 15:37 Golgotha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2012 15:32 Lightwip wrote:
On February 12 2012 15:30 Golgotha wrote:
On February 12 2012 15:29 Lightwip wrote:
On February 12 2012 15:27 Golgotha wrote:
man i understand why zergs just hydra bust all in most of the times. to beat toss in late game, you gotta somehow get +2 more bases than toss to match army mass. AND, the whole game depends on how well you dodge storms. if you fuck up a storm dodge at crucial moment, you just outright lose.

effort here is ballsy and very impressive for going head to head and dodging storms. but still he is having a very hard time and any battle can be turned with a couple storms. no wonder zergs dont want to risk late game with toss.

lol @ storms...

It's almost like you can pretend that ZvP isn't pretty strongly Z-favored.


uh look at the stats in zvp for this PL. then come back to me kid.

Relax my child. This game is not grounds for whining. Effort was in a position to win that game, he just threw it away through poor play.


how can you say poor play? flanked and dodged his heart out. sorry for the whine though. but give me a break ive seen so many zvp fails this season.

He should've sat back more and better defended his bases after he destroyed Best's third. He overcommitted to harass.

Another reason Z are not really doing great is that they have no leading figure. Jaedong is on a downward spiral, Effort is fresh out of retirement, Zero and Hydra are unimpressive, and everyone else is a bunch of rookies.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
yepenaxa
Profile Joined July 2011
Belarus2280 Posts
February 12 2012 06:42 GMT
#664
both nanashin and dave not working for me
War. Bloody War.
X10A
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada9837 Posts
February 12 2012 06:42 GMT
#665
Yellow toss 1 oclock is Horang2
Sun is the brown toss at 5 oclock
CJ/T8 Fighting//#1 STX and Bisu anti <3//YES X10A is based off the Freedom Gundam
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10341 Posts
February 12 2012 06:42 GMT
#666
Ugh, PvP... the worst of the worst. People complain about ZvZs lack of diversity and BO advantages, but PvP is just a goddamn battle of all-ins. Will it be 3 gate? 4 gate? dts? Proxy gates? Yeesh...
[21:07] <Shock710> whats wrong with her face [20:50] <dAPhREAk> i beat it the day after it came out | <BLinD-RawR> esports is a giant vagina
MegaFonzie
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia1084 Posts
February 12 2012 06:42 GMT
#667
This one's going to 5 games
@x5_MegaFonzie
hp.Shell
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2527 Posts
February 12 2012 06:43 GMT
#668
On February 12 2012 15:42 yepenaxa wrote:
both nanashin and dave not working for me

Try nana again.
Please PM me with any songs you like that you think I haven't heard before!
shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
February 12 2012 06:43 GMT
#669
On February 12 2012 15:42 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Ugh, PvP... the worst of the worst. People complain about ZvZs lack of diversity and BO advantages, but PvP is just a goddamn battle of all-ins. Will it be 3 gate? 4 gate? dts? Proxy gates? Yeesh...


Hoping for ....
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
February 12 2012 06:43 GMT
#670
On February 12 2012 15:41 Taekwon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2012 15:41 mnesthes wrote:
On February 12 2012 15:40 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On February 12 2012 15:37 Zona wrote:
On February 12 2012 15:35 Hero.SP wrote:
On February 12 2012 15:34 mnesthes wrote:
On February 12 2012 15:33 Taekwon wrote:
"I've been losing a lot of my PvTs...netizens have been harping about my PvZ/T switch. I will work much harder and balance out both of them to perfection"
lol you can't you can only be good at 1 MU at a time

Unless you are God.

You know why Flash fans are considered obnoxious? Here you are. WTF does your comment have to do with the discussion at hand?

A fine observation. You always wonder how you-know-who gets brought up in matches where his team isn't even playing...
I'm sure I didn't expect my comment to be quoted and then followed with a Flash reference.


i did
ok, i apologize for my fellow fan's uncalled for behavior.
<+LighTofHeaveN> Ppl call this "Indigo Children"
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
February 12 2012 06:43 GMT
#671
On February 12 2012 15:42 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Ugh, PvP... the worst of the worst. People complain about ZvZs lack of diversity and BO advantages, but PvP is just a goddamn battle of all-ins. Will it be 3 gate? 4 gate? dts? Proxy gates? Yeesh...


Don't forget that cannon rush game Bisu vs Wooki.
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
February 12 2012 06:43 GMT
#672
LOSE RAIN

BISU V HYDRA ZOMG
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
February 12 2012 06:43 GMT
#673
rofl

"OoooooooOOooo"
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Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
February 12 2012 06:43 GMT
#674
On February 12 2012 15:42 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Ugh, PvP... the worst of the worst. People complain about ZvZs lack of diversity and BO advantages, but PvP is just a goddamn battle of all-ins. Will it be 3 gate? 4 gate? dts? Proxy gates? Yeesh...

Bring back Central Plains for macro PvP!
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
February 12 2012 06:43 GMT
#675
RIP Nana + whitney.
"DONT UNDERESTIMATE MY CARRY OR YOU WILL BE CARRIED INTO THE ABYSS OF SUFFERING" - Tyler 'TC' Cook
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10175 Posts
February 12 2012 06:43 GMT
#676
On February 12 2012 15:40 Golgotha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2012 15:33 Jealous wrote:
On February 12 2012 15:30 Golgotha wrote:
On February 12 2012 15:29 Lightwip wrote:
On February 12 2012 15:27 Golgotha wrote:
man i understand why zergs just hydra bust all in most of the times. to beat toss in late game, you gotta somehow get +2 more bases than toss to match army mass. AND, the whole game depends on how well you dodge storms. if you fuck up a storm dodge at crucial moment, you just outright lose.

effort here is ballsy and very impressive for going head to head and dodging storms. but still he is having a very hard time and any battle can be turned with a couple storms. no wonder zergs dont want to risk late game with toss.

lol @ storms...

It's almost like you can pretend that ZvP isn't pretty strongly Z-favored.


uh look at the stats in zvp for this PL. then come back to me kid.

You've already admitted that you are new to the scene. 1 season, maybe 2 of P holding their own against Z does little to counteract the 10 preceding years of sheer Z dominance. The brief golden age of Toss, and the Bisu revolution period, still both had around 50% WR for P. Statistically, Z > P is still the most imbalanced matchup I believe.

Also lol@'kid' why throw trash into argument? Weakens your voice.


my apologies you are right. just frustrated watching zvp.

No worries, I understand all too well, from watching ZvP in prior years. This brings a tear to my eye, how at least the best Tosses of the current era are consistently winning... It's like we've left years of oppression... T-T;

So, I have to defend PvZ when it's talked about like it's super imba or something Thanks for being manner.

Three cheers for BW!
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
February 12 2012 06:43 GMT
#677
IMO, the default BO in PvP should be DT-forge-expo
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
February 12 2012 06:43 GMT
#678
On February 12 2012 15:40 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2012 15:38 ArvickHero wrote:
On February 12 2012 15:35 red4ce wrote:
11 mutas for 2 high templar wasn't worth it at all. The mutas should have come earlier so that Effort could have sniped high templar when they were in the middle of the map and not when BeSt's army was knocking on his front door.

sure it could've been used earlier, but effort would've rolled over and totally lost if he didnt snipe those HT. Muta sniping is an integral part of mass Hydra strategies, and getting those Lurkers honestly was the mistake I thought. Refer to the 09-10 era when Zergs were facerolling Protosses with Muta/Hydra compositions

To be fair, that is exactly the reason why toss opts for such high goon/sair counts nowadays, something I believe Bisu did on HBR which picked up after a while. Before, Zergs were facerolling especially hard because they were actually preserving some amount of their muta stack, whereas now they know they will lose all of it.

toss did the same thing back in 09-10 (mass goon for HT support, accompanied with high sair count sometimes), except with less finesse in their Corsair control. Once Protoss loses his Corsairs, its Zerg's time to shine
Writerptrk
friendbg
Profile Joined November 2010
Bulgaria576 Posts
February 12 2012 06:43 GMT
#679
On February 12 2012 15:42 MegaFonzie wrote:
This one's going to 5 games

if the 5th set is bisu vs hydra, i'll be fine with that.
Why leave today's work for tomorrow, when you can do it the day after
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
February 12 2012 06:44 GMT
#680
On February 12 2012 15:41 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2012 15:37 Golgotha wrote:
On February 12 2012 15:32 Lightwip wrote:
On February 12 2012 15:30 Golgotha wrote:
On February 12 2012 15:29 Lightwip wrote:
On February 12 2012 15:27 Golgotha wrote:
man i understand why zergs just hydra bust all in most of the times. to beat toss in late game, you gotta somehow get +2 more bases than toss to match army mass. AND, the whole game depends on how well you dodge storms. if you fuck up a storm dodge at crucial moment, you just outright lose.

effort here is ballsy and very impressive for going head to head and dodging storms. but still he is having a very hard time and any battle can be turned with a couple storms. no wonder zergs dont want to risk late game with toss.

lol @ storms...

It's almost like you can pretend that ZvP isn't pretty strongly Z-favored.


uh look at the stats in zvp for this PL. then come back to me kid.

Relax my child. This game is not grounds for whining. Effort was in a position to win that game, he just threw it away through poor play.


how can you say poor play? flanked and dodged his heart out. sorry for the whine though. but give me a break ive seen so many zvp fails this season.

He should've sat back more and better defended his bases after he destroyed Best's third. He overcommitted to harass.

Another reason Z are not really doing great is that they have no leading figure. Jaedong is on a downward spiral, Effort is fresh out of retirement, Zero and Hydra are unimpressive, and everyone else is a bunch of rookies.


yeah both j and effort now lost to best. i remember that game and how EVERYONE was saying best is going to get bested and stomped. but then jae got stomped....so no one to learn zvp from. i really want to see soulkey vs bisu though. or another good toss. i think he can turn this around for z this season.
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