EPTWTF STX Coach? seriously WTF?
I bet mustaju can done better job than currently STX coach.
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MuK_x
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WTF STX Coach? seriously WTF? I bet mustaju can done better job than currently STX coach. | ||
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
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hitthat
Poland2349 Posts
On December 07 2011 21:20 Navi wrote: His point being that he doesn't judge by peak performance only, but also by stability and consistency. Sure, zero dominated flash in that game. but look at the stat that you quoted: 4-7. It's flash, granted, but you make it sound like zero's "stronger zvt" is consistently at that level. Any avid BW viewer will tell you, no, it isn't. If we were judging by peak performances, TBLS, fantasy, zero, effort, calm, and a few notable others would be up there in the S-class. However, the reason TBLS have been put in a class of their own for a long time is that they have had relevant stability and high standard of performance. Fantasy, Calm, and Zero emphasize this difference; with preparation they are capable of similar feats but do not stick to that standard. Stork? STABILITY?! Are you provoking us? Since when Stork outclases Fantasy/Zero/Effort with his performance? As I see his time gone in 2009. TBLS is kinda wishfull thinking ATM. | ||
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Qaatar
1409 Posts
On December 07 2011 18:20 konadora wrote: lol light's vz arguably 2nd or 3rd best TvZer in the world If we go by ELO and the skill progression across eras, Light actually has the second best TvZ in history, and arguably the third best "vZ" overall behind Flash and Bisu. Although, I'd still put JD's ZvZ above his as well. | ||
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
On December 07 2011 23:40 Zona wrote: That's sweet. But the commentators actually critique the observers during the match? Only with those two because the commentators like to poke fun at each other. The real observer is currently preparing for WCG. | ||
mustaju
Estonia4505 Posts
On December 08 2011 00:29 MuK_x wrote: STX coach is high or something? He is know Woongjin will send Light as last player but still sending zerg against him? WTF STX Coach? seriously WTF? I bet mustaju can done better job than currently STX coach. Honestly? No. I expected Light to come out on Ground ZerO or Chain Reaction. I also think that the lineups are pretty much predetermined, and hyvaa at 5th makes sense. Why? a) In a bo5 format, you want your heavy hitters to play early to prevent a 3-0. Light is one of the strongest players if not the strongest player on Woongjin against a team with a weak Protoss lineup. b) if you rely heavily on your Zergs, you can lose unexpectedly to a BO loss in ZvZ. Hence you should try to play them on maps that are less likely to get sniped. It would only make sense that Woongjin sent out their weaker players on Sniper Ridge, and I would have expected Shy or Free on that map, making Hyvaa with his pretty darn good ZvP the best choice. | ||
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StarStruck
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VGhost
United States3621 Posts
On December 08 2011 00:56 StarStruck wrote: The lineups are predetermined before the actual games start. They submit it to the refs, so they cannot change it on the fly. -.- Can we get a source one way or the other? You're saying this, Ideas has said they're not predetermined... now I'm just confused. | ||
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Hyde
Australia14568 Posts
On December 08 2011 00:56 StarStruck wrote: The lineups are predetermined before the actual games start. They submit it to the refs, so they cannot change it on the fly. -.- I was under the impression they can change it on the fly, they submit which player they want to play before the set begins. (It's predetermined in the sense that the coach knows which player he'd like to send out on which map, so he has a line up in mind.) | ||
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sinistral
Singapore859 Posts
hyvaa's probably more prepared playing on that last map compared to the rest of his teammates, even if the opponent is a TvZ monster. | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
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mustaju
Estonia4505 Posts
On December 08 2011 01:57 amazingxkcd wrote: How was Zer0 vs Calm game? I don't have access to the vods now and want to know how Zer0 lost. BO loss. | ||
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KamMoye
United States721 Posts
On December 07 2011 19:07 L_Master wrote: That cherry picking is there. Over 2/3 of SK's ZvT's are against terrans with a 60%+ career vT. Not sure why but he has faced the absolute cream of the crop when it comes to terrans. SK's played 54 matches v Terran. The Terran's he's faced with a 60% win-rate: BaBy x1 Sea x1 Light x2 Flash x4 Leta x7 That's 15 of his 54 matches, which isn't anywhere near two-thirds. What the heck? Why are you repeating something ad nauseam without even bothering to check it? That makes it sound like you have an agenda. He went 2-5 v Leta, 0-4 v Flash, 0-2 v Light, 1-0 v Sea, 0-1 v Baby. Three wins, 12 losses. Dump those results and he's 25-15, giving him a 62.5% winning percentage. That took a whole lot of cherry-picking to get us there, though -- a 13% winning percentage against players who average out to, off my head, about a 63-64% win-rate in the matchup means SK lost significantly more often than you would expect him to. Small sample size, sure, but maybe he's just outclassed versus the best Terrans. Is Zero? He's faced those guys 28 times since January 1, 2009. (Arbitrary cut-off point on my point. -shrugs-) He's won 11 times and lost 17 times. That's a poor 39.2% win-rate, which, although far from ideal, is still three times better than Soulkey's win-rate against the same elite Terrans. Is SK on another level from ZerO? Hell no. Is he the better all around player? Definitely. I agree, but it's close. Zero has won 200 games, maintaining a win-rate close to 55%. There's a lot to be said for sample size and longevity. Right now Soulkey may be the slightly better Z, but even that's arguable and not "definite." In the last "season" (starting from October 1, 2010, about the beginning of last year's Proleague, 'til now) Zero's played 112 games with a 58% win-rate. SK's played 89 games with a 59.5% percent win-rate. Slight advantage to Zero there. More than anything it's ZerO's inconsistency that holds him back. You're overblowing it. Almost everyone in StarCraft is inconsistent. Bisu was far off his established norms for a year. Then he was far above his established norms for a year. Has ZerO really displayed more inconsistency than that relative to his established norms in the past two seasons? Kal was Protoss of the Year two years ago; he blew chunks last year. That's just the way the game goes. Neo.G_SoulKey has had five losing streaks of at least three games (longest losing streak: four). ZerO has had three (longest losing streak: four) while playing 23 more games in that span. Your perception is biased. I see little proof to suggest ZerO is significantly more inconsistent than any other top pro. | ||
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garlicface
Canada4196 Posts
Edit: Wait, do players not earn points for simply being on a winning team anymore? | ||
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gen.Sun
United States539 Posts
On December 08 2011 00:34 hitthat wrote: Stork? STABILITY?! Are you provoking us? Since when Stork outclases Fantasy/Zero/Effort with his performance? As I see his time gone in 2009. TBLS is kinda wishfull thinking ATM. Stork is extremely stable. When he has a bad round he falls from his usual 65 to 50%. He never slumped as much as Bisu did. | ||
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gorchiza
Bulgaria200 Posts
O mighty probe ! + Show Spoiler + the probe which killed a reaver ! | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
damnit why did i opt for Die_Soo instead of SoulKey in my fantasy league! =( | ||
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KamMoye
United States721 Posts
On December 08 2011 03:52 gen.Sun wrote: Stork is extremely stable. When he has a bad round he falls from his usual 65 to 50%. He never slumped as much as Bisu did. When exactly did Bisu's slump begin? From 9.1.09 to 10.15.10 he was sporting a 57% win-rate. Gets higher the earlier in '09 you go. | ||
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Ideas
United States8178 Posts
On December 08 2011 01:13 VGhost wrote: Can we get a source one way or the other? You're saying this, Ideas has said they're not predetermined... now I'm just confused. we need to get someone who speaks korean to tweet like every progamer until we get an answer lol | ||
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soujiro_
Uruguay5195 Posts
thanks to the streamers | ||
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