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baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-27 16:14:21
November 27 2011 16:09 GMT
#1781
I find it funny that in the post-game interview, Stork was actually glad that Light had already played before, and that he faced a zerg. Said Sniper Ridge is brutal for protoss in PvT. He also added more tidbits about how the maps are horrible for protoss this season.

Edit: The more things change, the more they stay the same. Bisu and Stork once again winning and talking about map imba. Ah, BW is back.
Meh
Ikonn
Profile Joined October 2009
Netherlands1958 Posts
November 27 2011 16:44 GMT
#1782
On November 28 2011 01:09 baubo wrote:
I find it funny that in the post-game interview, Stork was actually glad that Light had already played before, and that he faced a zerg. Said Sniper Ridge is brutal for protoss in PvT. He also added more tidbits about how the maps are horrible for protoss this season.


yet sHy is so far the only protoss who lost a non-mirror, Khan opens with 3 protoss and SKT wins because of 3 protoss wins
ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
November 27 2011 17:17 GMT
#1783
On November 28 2011 01:44 Ikonn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2011 01:09 baubo wrote:
I find it funny that in the post-game interview, Stork was actually glad that Light had already played before, and that he faced a zerg. Said Sniper Ridge is brutal for protoss in PvT. He also added more tidbits about how the maps are horrible for protoss this season.


yet sHy is so far the only protoss who lost a non-mirror, Khan opens with 3 protoss and SKT wins because of 3 protoss wins


Come now...
- Jaedong clearly played poorly, and im sure Ground Zero doesn't favor Toss the least bit.
- by.Sun and Sea both played well, personally i can't find much to say about Jade.. I ll wait until after games play themselves out on the map a bit more to comment.
- Jangbi is just that much better than Light.. I mean he beat Flash and Fanta recently in BoX
- Though not as much as Jaedong did vs BeSt, Zero is favored vs Stork.. He too played poorly though (lost 3 drones to a slow Zealot at the beginning of the game, for no good reason too)..
Look. Only Forward. See. Only Victory.
stork4ever
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1036 Posts
November 27 2011 17:38 GMT
#1784
Jangbi doesn seem to have missed a beat. Shine on Khan, at least he wont break Stork's heart. Poor Bisu, SHine is coming for you
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
November 27 2011 20:05 GMT
#1785
Roro looked real good in a Samsung jacket. This team is looking scary good right now.
"I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully" -GWB ||
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
November 27 2011 20:53 GMT
#1786
On November 28 2011 02:17 ffreakk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2011 01:44 Ikonn wrote:
On November 28 2011 01:09 baubo wrote:
I find it funny that in the post-game interview, Stork was actually glad that Light had already played before, and that he faced a zerg. Said Sniper Ridge is brutal for protoss in PvT. He also added more tidbits about how the maps are horrible for protoss this season.


yet sHy is so far the only protoss who lost a non-mirror, Khan opens with 3 protoss and SKT wins because of 3 protoss wins


Come now...
- Jaedong clearly played poorly, and im sure Ground Zero doesn't favor Toss the least bit.
- by.Sun and Sea both played well, personally i can't find much to say about Jade.. I ll wait until after games play themselves out on the map a bit more to comment.
- Jangbi is just that much better than Light.. I mean he beat Flash and Fanta recently in BoX
- Though not as much as Jaedong did vs BeSt, Zero is favored vs Stork.. He too played poorly though (lost 3 drones to a slow Zealot at the beginning of the game, for no good reason too)..


He cheesed him out and put Light WAY behind in the early game. Sure, Light's TvP is relatively bad compared to Jangbi's PvT, but I think Light played on par with him throughout the entire rest of the game.

Good thing I was so depressed after Light lost that I stopped watching. Zero losing like that would have made me too sad. -_-
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
November 27 2011 22:05 GMT
#1787
On November 27 2011 08:41 Itachii wrote:
THIS TIME I WON'T OVERSLEEP, SAMSUNG MUTHERFUCKING KHAN IS PLAYING AFTER ALL

HWAITING~!

well i did oversleep, once again -__-
At least Stork and Jangbi got to play, and won their games in a nice way.
Fuck yeah Khan/
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3329 Posts
November 27 2011 22:45 GMT
#1788
HEHE... So far, I've watched every game of the season!!! :D YAY JANGBI!!!!! Legend of the Fall!!!
And the polls were straight on... January's mood was to pick the top three in the poll!!! Same for Woongjin~ TL rocks~
The Revolutionist Shall Rise Again! No. 1 Kim Taek Yong Fan 어헣↗ GO JAEDONG!!!!!!! GO ACE!!! 태연 <3 윤아 <3 승연 <3
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
November 28 2011 00:00 GMT
#1789
On November 28 2011 07:05 Itachii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 08:41 Itachii wrote:
THIS TIME I WON'T OVERSLEEP, SAMSUNG MUTHERFUCKING KHAN IS PLAYING AFTER ALL

HWAITING~!

well i did oversleep, once again -__-
At least Stork and Jangbi got to play, and won their games in a nice way.
Fuck yeah Khan/


It's so hard to not oversleep, horrible times for Europeans
LiquipediaSouma: EU MM is just Russian Roulette. Literally.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
November 28 2011 00:17 GMT
#1790
I agree Qaatar,

I was impressed that Light managed to hold on the way he did. The proxy reaver did a lot of damage and JangBi continued to do great damage with the shuttle play throughout the match. Solid effort by both.
BroodWarHD
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
136 Posts
November 28 2011 00:20 GMT
#1791
On November 27 2011 16:29 baubo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 16:16 MuffinDude wrote:
On November 27 2011 16:06 baubo wrote:
Woohoo! Khan wins.

Mixed feelings about Reality. His early game is amazing. Seemingly flawless decision-making. control, macro. His early push at Shy's 3rd was brilliant. But his 200/200 pushes tend to look like all Samsung Terran pushes. Which is to say it's quite bad. If that had been a more experienced toss, I think he would've lost despite having a huge lead for the entire early game. He really didn't have to wait for the 2/1 upgrades and pushed before Shy had his gateway count up.

IMO, his macro was terrible. It took him a while to get to 200/200 after Shy got to 200/200 even though they had very simlar economy.


I disagree. If you make vultures, it just take longer for you to max than if you turtle with tanks/goliaths. And Shy getting to 200 is because protoss would rather spend money on expos and gateways rather than units at that time. So it's actually BAD that Shy got to 200 quickly.

Technically, vults are the fastest terran unit to max out with I_I

though maybe not so depending on scale of harassment.
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
November 28 2011 01:42 GMT
#1792
On November 28 2011 05:53 Qaatar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2011 02:17 ffreakk wrote:
On November 28 2011 01:44 Ikonn wrote:
On November 28 2011 01:09 baubo wrote:
I find it funny that in the post-game interview, Stork was actually glad that Light had already played before, and that he faced a zerg. Said Sniper Ridge is brutal for protoss in PvT. He also added more tidbits about how the maps are horrible for protoss this season.


yet sHy is so far the only protoss who lost a non-mirror, Khan opens with 3 protoss and SKT wins because of 3 protoss wins


Come now...
- Jaedong clearly played poorly, and im sure Ground Zero doesn't favor Toss the least bit.
- by.Sun and Sea both played well, personally i can't find much to say about Jade.. I ll wait until after games play themselves out on the map a bit more to comment.
- Jangbi is just that much better than Light.. I mean he beat Flash and Fanta recently in BoX
- Though not as much as Jaedong did vs BeSt, Zero is favored vs Stork.. He too played poorly though (lost 3 drones to a slow Zealot at the beginning of the game, for no good reason too)..


He cheesed him out and put Light WAY behind in the early game. Sure, Light's TvP is relatively bad compared to Jangbi's PvT, but I think Light played on par with him throughout the entire rest of the game.


Jangbi saw the Rax->Expo. He saw that Light's scouting SCV went the wrong way. So the build was done with perfect scouting information. That's not cheese so much as a counter. Light OTOH went expo->fact->starport into dropship(skipping wraiths for defense). If anything, that's cheese because it was a blind build where he assumed Jangbi expoed.

After that, if Light wasn't a greedy bastard and tried to kill the robo facility, Jangbi would've never had the chance to once again wipe out Light's army and force him to lift his CC. After that, Light tried to get a quick 3rd after spending like 5 minutes mining on one base compared to Jangbi's 3. What? Did he think Jangbi wouldn't try to bust that 3rd with no defense?

Meh
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
November 28 2011 01:43 GMT
#1793
On November 28 2011 09:20 BroodWarHD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 16:29 baubo wrote:
On November 27 2011 16:16 MuffinDude wrote:
On November 27 2011 16:06 baubo wrote:
Woohoo! Khan wins.

Mixed feelings about Reality. His early game is amazing. Seemingly flawless decision-making. control, macro. His early push at Shy's 3rd was brilliant. But his 200/200 pushes tend to look like all Samsung Terran pushes. Which is to say it's quite bad. If that had been a more experienced toss, I think he would've lost despite having a huge lead for the entire early game. He really didn't have to wait for the 2/1 upgrades and pushed before Shy had his gateway count up.

IMO, his macro was terrible. It took him a while to get to 200/200 after Shy got to 200/200 even though they had very simlar economy.


I disagree. If you make vultures, it just take longer for you to max than if you turtle with tanks/goliaths. And Shy getting to 200 is because protoss would rather spend money on expos and gateways rather than units at that time. So it's actually BAD that Shy got to 200 quickly.

Technically, vults are the fastest terran unit to max out with I_I

though maybe not so depending on scale of harassment.


The problem is that vultures also die.
Meh
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
November 28 2011 04:38 GMT
#1794
On November 28 2011 10:42 baubo wrote: After that, Light tried to get a quick 3rd after spending like 5 minutes mining on one base compared to Jangbi's 3. What? Did he think Jangbi wouldn't try to bust that 3rd with no defense?

Well, by that point he needed to do something to try to crawl back into the game; if he just tried to turtle on 2base and take his third at a normal supply, he would've definitely lost.
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ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
November 28 2011 05:12 GMT
#1795
Cheese by definition primarily refers to a blind early game strategical play, which if fails generally leaves the cheeser in an unrecoverable position. Jangbi did not cheese Light.
ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
November 28 2011 05:14 GMT
#1796
Well in any case, i believe it's safe to say that Jangbi played well, made good decision with the informations that he had, and the game turned out well for him.

I actually had though Light saw the Proxy coming, since his SCV came in late and would have definitely noticed Jangbi is 1 Pylon short, and expected a wraith out of that Starport... But when i saw the control tower i was like.. Aigoo..
Look. Only Forward. See. Only Victory.
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
November 28 2011 06:42 GMT
#1797
On November 28 2011 13:38 Elyvilon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2011 10:42 baubo wrote: After that, Light tried to get a quick 3rd after spending like 5 minutes mining on one base compared to Jangbi's 3. What? Did he think Jangbi wouldn't try to bust that 3rd with no defense?

Well, by that point he needed to do something to try to crawl back into the game; if he just tried to turtle on 2base and take his third at a normal supply, he would've definitely lost.


True. I don't fault him for that so much as his decision to snipe the robo. That was where he lost the game.
Meh
Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-28 19:23:45
November 28 2011 19:23 GMT
#1798
Khaaaaaaaan!
LRSL 2014 Finalist! PartinG | Mvp | Bomber | Creator | NaNiwa | herO
Gara
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada435 Posts
November 29 2011 05:18 GMT
#1799
This new Proleague format is going to be a dream for Trolluary... No other coach has as much experience picking completely random players for ace matches as she does.
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