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ZZangDreamjOy
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada959 Posts
October 02 2011 01:36 GMT
#101
Check the Skype logs that JoeKim has posted? Ever since you took over LRM), they've been quite shady. It has been shown that you have abused Admin priviledges on iCCup in order to make brackets better for your team, have been asking for smurfs / mercenaries to play for LRM), and beyond that you seem to have no love for your own teammates, calling people like Bakuryu trash, when they're quite a lot better then you. Unless you can refute any of the claims JoeKim has made, or refute his evidence, please just shut the hell up and take the high road.
HitEmUp
Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
October 02 2011 01:38 GMT
#102
On October 02 2011 10:36 ZZangDreamjOy wrote:
Check the Skype logs that JoeKim has posted? Ever since you took over LRM), they've been quite shady. It has been shown that you have abused Admin priviledges on iCCup in order to make brackets better for your team, have been asking for smurfs / mercenaries to play for LRM), and beyond that you seem to have no love for your own teammates, calling people like Bakuryu trash, when they're quite a lot better then you. Unless you can refute any of the claims JoeKim has made, or refute his evidence, please just shut the hell up and take the high road.

You do realize you're posting in the Gambit Cup thread... correct?
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SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
ZZangDreamjOy
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada959 Posts
October 02 2011 01:42 GMT
#103
You do realize that it doesn't even matter? Look, I dislike Scan as much as you do, but you had him banned from ISL2 for abuse in another tournament. Why should LRM) be allowed to play in Gambit Cup when they've abused in another clan league? Jesus Christ, you can continue being a pompous asshole with an ego larger then the moon, but at least have the decency not to be a fucking hypocrite.
HitEmUp
Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
October 02 2011 01:45 GMT
#104
On October 02 2011 10:42 ZZangDreamjOy wrote:
You do realize that it doesn't even matter? Look, I dislike Scan as much as you do, but you had him banned from ISL2 for abuse in another tournament. Why should LRM) be allowed to play in Gambit Cup when they've abused in another clan league? Jesus Christ, you can continue being a pompous asshole with an ego larger then the moon, but at least have the decency not to be a fucking hypocrite.

More false statements, keep going, you might catch up to JoeKim.
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
ZZangDreamjOy
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada959 Posts
October 02 2011 01:47 GMT
#105
Then how about you enlighten me rather then simply say that everything is false? You're not proving your innocence by simply saying "Oh, none of this is true. All those Skype conversations mean nothing."
HitEmUp
Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
October 02 2011 01:49 GMT
#106
On October 02 2011 10:47 ZZangDreamjOy wrote:
Then how about you enlighten me rather then simply say that everything is false? You're not proving your innocence by simply saying "Oh, none of this is true. All those Skype conversations mean nothing."

I lack a certain part of human characteristics known commonly as "give a shit". In essence, I don't actually care, nor feel the need to dignify what was obviously carefully planned lies. People that know me personally know the reality of the situation, and you sir, are someone I don't know or care about.
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
JoeKim
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States608 Posts
October 02 2011 02:07 GMT
#107
On October 02 2011 10:49 Game wrote:
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On October 02 2011 10:47 ZZangDreamjOy wrote:
Then how about you enlighten me rather then simply say that everything is false? You're not proving your innocence by simply saying "Oh, none of this is true. All those Skype conversations mean nothing."

I lack a certain part of human characteristics known commonly as "give a shit". In essence, I don't actually care, nor feel the need to dignify what was obviously carefully planned lies. People that know me personally know the reality of the situation, and you sir, are someone I don't know or care about.

oh, i've known you for over 10 years and worked with you for 2 years. enlighten me on the reality of the situation. what lies were carefully planned? i copy/pasted our Skype Logs and highlighted the times you've cheated/abused. the only things i had to edit out were personal information on gamers that are not involved with this scandal. you're trying to play an innocent role when your reputation as a player/manager is just as tainted as mine.

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cujo2k
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada1044 Posts
October 02 2011 04:28 GMT
#108
If this league is going to have any integrity at all, then Game needs to at least be banned from the finals. Better to be safe than sorry. Why allow someone with a long history of cheating to organize a clanwar in a finals for cash?
Hell, JoeKim needs to be permabanned as well since joekim.liquidpoker.net kinda proves that the two of them are the shadiest people in foreign bw.
THE ANSWER IS 288
JoeKim
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States608 Posts
October 02 2011 04:30 GMT
#109
On October 02 2011 13:28 cujo2k wrote:
If this league is going to have any integrity at all, then Game needs to at least be banned from the finals. Better to be safe than sorry. Why allow someone with a long history of cheating to organize a clanwar in a finals for cash?
Hell, JoeKim needs to be permabanned as well since joekim.liquidpoker.net kinda proves that the two of them are the shadiest people in foreign bw.

i'm already permabanned, sir.
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
October 02 2011 04:43 GMT
#110
On October 02 2011 13:28 cujo2k wrote:
If this league is going to have any integrity at all, then Game needs to at least be banned from the finals. Better to be safe than sorry. Why allow someone with a long history of cheating to organize a clanwar in a finals for cash?
Hell, JoeKim needs to be permabanned as well since joekim.liquidpoker.net kinda proves that the two of them are the shadiest people in foreign bw.

What Joekim's skype log proves is that he was scrambling for a player and was considering cheating to fill the spot. However, it also proves he didn't cheat in that particular clan war. I have no grounds to ban him on anything he's done in anything I've hosted. iCCup is another story, however, for these finals there will be no opportunity for him to abuse, I'm already taking IPs of the players on both teams and the player shout out system will be made differently and absolutely impossible to abuse on.

Also, don't be so Naive, even if Game is banned, he'll be running the CW on skype with Glory or Jinu.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
cujo2k
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada1044 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-02 05:40:09
October 02 2011 05:34 GMT
#111
So you have logs of Game potentially wanting to cheat in Gambit and logs of him actually cheating in other clanleagues, but that's not enough to ban him?
Or maybe it is, but like you said, he'll still run the CWs through skype. So where do you go from here? I personally think LRM is going to die, so it's a moot point, but obviously anyone running a future clanleague(i.e. Gambit Cup 2) has to strongly consider banning them from participating.

I'm glad that you are taking preventative measures for the finals though, and I will be tuning in
THE ANSWER IS 288
Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
October 02 2011 05:52 GMT
#112
On October 02 2011 14:34 cujo2k wrote:
So you have logs of Game potentially wanting to cheat in Gambit and logs of him actually cheating in other clanleagues, but that's not enough to ban him?
Or maybe it is, but like you said, he'll still run the CWs through skype. So where do you go from here? I personally think LRM is going to die, so it's a moot point, but obviously anyone running a future clanleague(i.e. Gambit Cup 2) has to strongly consider banning them from participating.

I'm glad that you are taking preventative measures for the finals though, and I will be tuning in

Did you just suggest that someone be put in jail for a crime they committed in the past just because you don't want it to happen in the future? I thought we were on an internet forum, not a council meeting in the Vatican or the Roman Empire.
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
October 02 2011 05:57 GMT
#113
On October 02 2011 14:34 cujo2k wrote:
So you have logs of Game potentially wanting to cheat in Gambit and logs of him actually cheating in other clanleagues, but that's not enough to ban him?
Or maybe it is, but like you said, he'll still run the CWs through skype. So where do you go from here? I personally think LRM is going to die, so it's a moot point, but obviously anyone running a future clanleague(i.e. Gambit Cup 2) has to strongly consider banning them from participating.

I'm glad that you are taking preventative measures for the finals though, and I will be tuning in

Now, I let people play in my league until they abuse in my league, I allowed JoeKim and Scan to play even after they had past counts of abuse. To ban LRM)Game would actually show bias. based on my previous decision.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
October 02 2011 06:38 GMT
#114
Due to issues with certain players not being capable of having an OBS in the game, the cast for the finals will only start at 21CET.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
Mazur
Profile Joined July 2011
Poland478 Posts
October 02 2011 07:11 GMT
#115
On October 02 2011 14:52 Game wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 14:34 cujo2k wrote:
So you have logs of Game potentially wanting to cheat in Gambit and logs of him actually cheating in other clanleagues, but that's not enough to ban him?
Or maybe it is, but like you said, he'll still run the CWs through skype. So where do you go from here? I personally think LRM is going to die, so it's a moot point, but obviously anyone running a future clanleague(i.e. Gambit Cup 2) has to strongly consider banning them from participating.

I'm glad that you are taking preventative measures for the finals though, and I will be tuning in

Did you just suggest that someone be put in jail for a crime they committed in the past just because you don't want it to happen in the future? I thought we were on an internet forum, not a council meeting in the Vatican or the Roman Empire.



Wasn't that what you did with Scan ?
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
October 02 2011 07:16 GMT
#116
On October 02 2011 16:11 Mazur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 14:52 Game wrote:
On October 02 2011 14:34 cujo2k wrote:
So you have logs of Game potentially wanting to cheat in Gambit and logs of him actually cheating in other clanleagues, but that's not enough to ban him?
Or maybe it is, but like you said, he'll still run the CWs through skype. So where do you go from here? I personally think LRM is going to die, so it's a moot point, but obviously anyone running a future clanleague(i.e. Gambit Cup 2) has to strongly consider banning them from participating.

I'm glad that you are taking preventative measures for the finals though, and I will be tuning in

Did you just suggest that someone be put in jail for a crime they committed in the past just because you don't want it to happen in the future? I thought we were on an internet forum, not a council meeting in the Vatican or the Roman Empire.



Wasn't that what you did with Scan ?

Not at all. Scan has abused in every tournament he's been allowed in for the past 3 1/2 years.
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
Mazur
Profile Joined July 2011
Poland478 Posts
October 02 2011 07:19 GMT
#117
But if even a part of that what Joekim is writing that means you did too.
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-02 09:07:33
October 02 2011 07:22 GMT
#118
On October 02 2011 16:19 Mazur wrote:
But if even a part of that what Joekim is writing that means you did too.

I cheated for the last 4 months that I ran LRM) in a league that was on a server in which I was banned. JoeKim also taught me how to cheat, and supplied me the admin account to do so. In the same post he expresses that he was also cheating with Scan and showing him the exact same route. I think it's pretty much common sense.
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
Sneazel
Profile Joined May 2011
Poland152 Posts
October 02 2011 07:22 GMT
#119
lol
i have no words to say
im just disappointed at you guys
just shame on you
Mazur
Profile Joined July 2011
Poland478 Posts
October 02 2011 07:57 GMT
#120
http://www.iccup.com/dota/community/thread/168039.html
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
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