EPT[OSL] Ro8 Day 1 - Page 51
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champignones
Panama160 Posts
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On August 13 2011 09:55 Djabanete wrote: He's lost plenty of games to carriers. He's lost to carriers against Shuttle. He's lost to carriers against Jangbi. He's lost to carriers against Tyson on this very map. He's lost to carriers against Kal. I'm just thinking of these games off the top of my head. Anyway, what strategy is good against Flash? probably the one that makes him use the most apm now >_< | ||
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Motivate
2860 Posts
On August 13 2011 09:55 Djabanete wrote: He's lost plenty of games to carriers. He's lost to carriers against Shuttle. He's lost to carriers against Jangbi. He's lost to carriers against Tyson on this very map. He's lost to carriers against Kal. I'm just thinking of these games off the top of my head. Anyway, what strategy is good against Flash? jaedong has torn flash a new one with early aggression recently. i'd say the weakest part of flash's game is his early game. even flash's aggression is weak early game, he lost his whole push to jangbi in that game. he just managed to overcome it by taking a smart risk by securing his 3rd early, macroing up, etc. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
On August 13 2011 11:35 Motivate wrote: jaedong has torn flash a new one with early aggression recently. i'd say the weakest part of flash's game is his early game. even flash's aggression is weak early game, he lost his whole push to jangbi in that game. he just managed to overcome it by taking a smart risk by securing his 3rd early, macroing up, etc. The times that Jaedong beat Flash, it was usually a silly mistake Flash made. I'd say try to exploit a map or metagame. If nothing else, some cheese. Killer is showing some ZvZ brilliance lol. | ||
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moopie
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Winechu
Singapore1186 Posts
Flash vs. Jangbi was sick. Hope Jangbi can take a game off Flash so we get to see more high-level TvP. That timing and control was unbelievable to watch. Jangbi played great as well, sick micro. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19295 Posts
On August 13 2011 02:08 Release wrote: first time i have been 4 for 4 on liquibet in a long time. The LB is for the whole bo3 series not just the first game. | ||
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deafhobbit
United States828 Posts
1 - Sloppy play from both players, i was yelling at Fantasy when his vulture harrass on Hyuk's nat was doing nothing. Still, the better player won. Reaffirmed my love of Pathfinder, the map's architecture really makes games interesting. 2 - Hydra making ZvZ look easy. Nothing special, but if you're in the mood for a ZvZ it's a cool game 3 - BO loss, but what a BO loss. For me the moment of the game was when Soo messed up and pulled his lings back to his ramp when Killer was going after his natural for the second time. Really shows the importance of position in ZvZ, as Killer was able to split his lings, using half to contain Soo behind his ramp while the other half killed the hatch. 4 - Wow, what a great game. Flash's first push was awesome to watch, as was Jangbi's defense of it. I'm amazed Flash was able to come back - Jangbi was up 4.5 bases to his 3, with a bigger army, 2 speed shuttles with reavers, and had Flash pinned back. The decision to go for a carrier switch was correct, but seeing Flash spot it from his FP view and immediatly push at the 10 was amazing. Overall, a good first day. While it sucks that Flash and Jangbi had to hit each other in the Ro8, at least the number of zergs is getting cut down. | ||
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Toadily
United States837 Posts
On August 13 2011 15:42 deafhobbit wrote: 3 - BO loss, but what a BO loss. For me the moment of the game was when Soo messed up and pulled his lings back to his ramp when Killer was going after his natural for the second time. Really shows the importance of position in ZvZ, as Killer was able to split his lings, using half to contain Soo behind his ramp while the other half killed the hatch. wat killer 9 pooled while soo 12 pooled, where the BO loss, the fast expo? he could've easily defended that if he pulled drones earlier or even canceled his hatch and probably still be ahead or reacted fast enough not to lose a set of lings | ||
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
I am still having a hard time figuring out exactly where jangbi lost that game -.- To me it initally seemed like he soft countered everything flash did, well right up until the big engagment->loss buisness. I would say he simply got out microed, flash empd too many of his templars even though he had shuttles for them. The way flash played 3 base t vs 5 base p today was kind of remniscent of his old tvp style no? Usually these days he either ends the game off 2 bases or takes a super early fourth? Anyway, great games today imo. BW for life~~ | ||
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deafhobbit
United States828 Posts
On August 13 2011 17:21 Toadily wrote: wat killer 9 pooled while soo 12 pooled, where the BO loss, the fast expo? he could've easily defended that if he pulled drones earlier or even canceled his hatch and probably still be ahead or reacted fast enough not to lose a set of lings Guess i missed that, must have been looking away when they had a shot of SoO's base. Sorry for the mistake. | ||
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Emon_
3925 Posts
On August 13 2011 11:35 Motivate wrote: jaedong has torn flash a new one with early aggression recently. i'd say the weakest part of flash's game is his early game. even flash's aggression is weak early game, he lost his whole push to jangbi in that game. he just managed to overcome it by taking a smart risk by securing his 3rd early, macroing up, etc. Let's not forget Effort beating Flash three games in a row with sick early aggression and winning the OSL title. | ||
Womwomwom
5930 Posts
Just like this very game, he took a ridiculously risky third expo but it gave him enough of an economic advantage to build a billion tanks and doom push to victory. I really hate it when people try and prop up that OSL finals as some suggestion that Flash is shit against early aggression - a blind BBS and blind greedy 14CC are both entirely risky but they're reasons why he wins so many games. There was a good post by Heyoka that looked into Flash's 14CC win rates and despite his reputation for losing with it (don't 14CC Flash, you will lose!), the figures suggested that he had an overall 65% win rate with that build. Which is extremely good considering all things. | ||
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Existential
Australia2107 Posts
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reincremate
China2216 Posts
On August 13 2011 21:55 Existential wrote: Congrats to all the winners. I think this is the first time in a long long time I've gotten a round right in liquibets. A lot of people got it this time because all of the favoured players won. | ||
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xarthaz
1704 Posts
On August 13 2011 11:35 Motivate wrote: jaedong has torn flash a new one with early aggression recently. i'd say the weakest part of flash's game is his early game. even flash's aggression is weak early game, he lost his whole push to jangbi in that game. he just managed to overcome it by taking a smart risk by securing his 3rd early, macroing up, etc. Also, flash does not have the strongest late-game management style on the scene. So guys like Zero who are management style specialists tend to take flash out in late game, putting the pressure on flash to do something before hive tech. | ||
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hellbound
United Kingdom2242 Posts
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On August 13 2011 22:53 xarthaz wrote: Also, flash does not have the strongest late-game management style on the scene. So guys like Zero who are management style specialists tend to take flash out in late game, putting the pressure on flash to do something before hive tech. I think not many terrans want to get to the late game because you know defilers + ultras + crackling + scourge + lurkers + plague = death for terran so yup . I do understand why terrans would want to kill the zerg as fast as possible or damage them so much they can't macro up on 5 base gas to kill you in a huge swarm. | ||
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littlefighter
43 Posts
I was yelling in my head for him to go fast arbiter and end it D: | ||
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Count9
China10928 Posts
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