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Motivate
Profile Joined June 2011
2860 Posts
July 20 2011 12:41 GMT
#661
On July 20 2011 21:40 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 21:39 Motivate wrote:
On July 20 2011 21:37 DarkMatter_ wrote:
On July 20 2011 21:33 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:
On July 20 2011 21:32 Holgerius wrote:
If Hyuk hyuks another LeeSsang out from an OSL I will cry.

This. -_-

So aside from the BO disadvantage, why'd Jaedong lose? I just got here.

Hyuk played well and didn't make any mistakes. Jaedong didn't do anything extraordinary. Better economy led to Hyuk have a much higher muta count and with some good micro, he was able to easily overcome JD in the air battle.

JD built far too many scourges and relied on hyuk having inferior micro.

He built too many scourges because he didn't have the minerals for mutas and making scourge was the only way he could use all his gas.

ah true

i would question whether he needed that sunken. either that or less lings.
TheOnly92
Profile Joined September 2010
Malaysia804 Posts
July 20 2011 12:41 GMT
#662
Too many zerglings->Too little drones->Too little minerals to build mutas->GG

T.T Why is ZvZ so cruel?
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-20 12:49:20
July 20 2011 12:43 GMT
#663
On July 20 2011 21:41 Motivate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 21:40 DarkMatter_ wrote:
On July 20 2011 21:39 Motivate wrote:
On July 20 2011 21:37 DarkMatter_ wrote:
On July 20 2011 21:33 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:
On July 20 2011 21:32 Holgerius wrote:
If Hyuk hyuks another LeeSsang out from an OSL I will cry.

This. -_-

So aside from the BO disadvantage, why'd Jaedong lose? I just got here.

Hyuk played well and didn't make any mistakes. Jaedong didn't do anything extraordinary. Better economy led to Hyuk have a much higher muta count and with some good micro, he was able to easily overcome JD in the air battle.

JD built far too many scourges and relied on hyuk having inferior micro.

He built too many scourges because he didn't have the minerals for mutas and making scourge was the only way he could use all his gas.

ah true

i would question whether he needed that sunken. either that or less lings.

You need a sunken when you go 12 pool and the opponent goes 12 hatch and attempts a mass ling bust. I think he could've gotten away with making fewer lings though.
Spica
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5582 Posts
July 20 2011 12:43 GMT
#664
On July 20 2011 21:38 infinitestory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 21:35 Seraphic wrote:
So, Fantasy and Hyuk has a strong chance of advancing? Flash obviously is in there. Baby?

What in heck just happened... o.O

So how many times in a row are we going to see Fantasy vs Hyuk in individual leagues? ;---;

*Fist pump*
How to pronounce the name: "SPY-ka" | Proud to share the same birthday with Shin (神) Dong Won and the almighty BoxeR | 리쌍도 나무에서 떨어진다. | To YellOw: "2位じゃダメなんですか?" ㅋㅋㅋ | Rest in peace, Violet. 08/23/12
kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
July 20 2011 12:43 GMT
#665
On July 20 2011 21:40 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 21:39 Motivate wrote:
On July 20 2011 21:37 DarkMatter_ wrote:
On July 20 2011 21:33 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:
On July 20 2011 21:32 Holgerius wrote:
If Hyuk hyuks another LeeSsang out from an OSL I will cry.

This. -_-

So aside from the BO disadvantage, why'd Jaedong lose? I just got here.

Hyuk played well and didn't make any mistakes. Jaedong didn't do anything extraordinary. Better economy led to Hyuk have a much higher muta count and with some good micro, he was able to easily overcome JD in the air battle.

JD built far too many scourges and relied on hyuk having inferior micro.

He built too many scourges because he didn't have the minerals for mutas and making scourge was the only way he could use all his gas.

He should rotate drones from his gas to his minerals then. There's no point to wasting gas like that. Or maybe he should have put 3 drones in his nat gas instead of 4. Maybe even only 2.

On the other hand, Hyuk has superb muta micro and won the BO, so there wasn't much JD could do once the game evolved into air battles.
Fly Jaedong, fly!
shucklesors
Profile Joined May 2010
Singapore1176 Posts
July 20 2011 12:58 GMT
#666
i feel devastated..
legaton
Profile Joined December 2010
France1763 Posts
July 20 2011 12:59 GMT
#667
I hate ZvZ so much
No GG, No Skill - Jaedong <3
Koka-kola
Profile Joined May 2011
241 Posts
July 20 2011 13:00 GMT
#668
skt1 bastards ruining the fun again
JD! Noooooo!
well it was a bo loss, at least this softens the pain
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
July 20 2011 13:04 GMT
#669
--- Nuked ---
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3516 Posts
July 20 2011 13:05 GMT
#670
On July 20 2011 21:43 Spica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 21:38 infinitestory wrote:
On July 20 2011 21:35 Seraphic wrote:
So, Fantasy and Hyuk has a strong chance of advancing? Flash obviously is in there. Baby?

What in heck just happened... o.O

So how many times in a row are we going to see Fantasy vs Hyuk in individual leagues? ;---;

*Fist pump*

Double fist pump! I knew Hyuk had the right stuff today.
Jaedong Hyuk || Bisu Jangbi || Fantasy Flash
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5617 Posts
July 20 2011 13:10 GMT
#671
wp by Hyuk. Really nothing to do zvz is such a luck fest.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
July 20 2011 13:11 GMT
#672
On July 20 2011 22:10 Elroi wrote:
wp by Hyuk. Really nothing to do zvz is such a luck fest.


You can't really say that when Jaedong was such a beast at ZvZ before
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3516 Posts
July 20 2011 13:17 GMT
#673
On July 20 2011 22:10 Elroi wrote:
wp by Hyuk. Really nothing to do zvz is such a luck fest.

Lol, that's such a shit attitude.
Jaedong Hyuk || Bisu Jangbi || Fantasy Flash
Severus_
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
759 Posts
July 20 2011 13:21 GMT
#674
As once was said:
"Corpses and mine shrapnel litter the fields
The victory slipped through his hands
But he returns, like a phoenix from the ashes
To terrorize the chinfidel
To destroy the Greatest of Zergs
For he is Hyuk
Survivor, Minesweeper, Bonjwa"
kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
July 20 2011 13:30 GMT
#675
On July 20 2011 22:04 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 21:43 kuroshiroi wrote:
On July 20 2011 21:40 DarkMatter_ wrote:
On July 20 2011 21:39 Motivate wrote:
On July 20 2011 21:37 DarkMatter_ wrote:
On July 20 2011 21:33 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:
On July 20 2011 21:32 Holgerius wrote:
If Hyuk hyuks another LeeSsang out from an OSL I will cry.

This. -_-

So aside from the BO disadvantage, why'd Jaedong lose? I just got here.

Hyuk played well and didn't make any mistakes. Jaedong didn't do anything extraordinary. Better economy led to Hyuk have a much higher muta count and with some good micro, he was able to easily overcome JD in the air battle.

JD built far too many scourges and relied on hyuk having inferior micro.

He built too many scourges because he didn't have the minerals for mutas and making scourge was the only way he could use all his gas.

He should rotate drones from his gas to his minerals then. There's no point to wasting gas like that. Or maybe he should have put 3 drones in his nat gas instead of 4. Maybe even only 2.

On the other hand, Hyuk has superb muta micro and won the BO, so there wasn't much JD could do once the game evolved into air battles.


he wouldnt have enough gas for mutas then
what he did allowed him to have the normal amount of gas but if he did what you suggested he'd have a subpar amount of gas AND a subpar amount of minerals (although a bit more than he did this game)
either way it doesnt matter because mutas take up more gas than scourge but he didnt have enough min or gas for it.

scourge 25/75, mutas 100/100

What? Let's say you have 7 drones on gas and 4 on mins, yhen you have to make a lot of scourge to burn through the gas. But if you have 6 drones on gas and 5 on mins... then you can make slightly more mutas and even have some leftover mins for drones or lings or whatever. He doesn't have to mine all that gas if he's just going to waste it on scourge that do nothing. It's not about burning gas, it's about getting the right units.

JD had maybe 3-4 mutas at the end and 12 scourge, which is 450gas for the scourge and 150 mins or 600 resources in total. Skip 8 scourge, i.e. 400 resources in total and you have 2 more mutas. I'd think it'd be better to have 5-6 mutas and 4 scourge against what Hyuk had.

There's no point to making more than 4 scourge against a competent microer like Hyuk or Hydra or JD. But for some reason, JD seems to think he can out-micro everybody. This may have been true 2 years ago, but it's not true any more since a lot of people have caught up.

But again, he was down on econ and the only way he was getting ahead anyway was with some very, very lucky scourges. Which didn't happen. I'd personally still try to use mutas instead of scourge but either way is pretty uphill.
Fly Jaedong, fly!
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2349 Posts
July 20 2011 13:40 GMT
#676

Jaedong vs. Hyuk


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XDD
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
July 20 2011 13:56 GMT
#677
poor jd, his zvz isnt what it used to be, nowadays i am always like "FUCK JD GONNA LOSE" =(
The only virgins in kpop left are the fans
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
July 20 2011 14:01 GMT
#678
Wait. Hyuk. Really?
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
blahblahblahwhatever
Profile Joined June 2011
Armenia52 Posts
July 20 2011 14:03 GMT
#679
Well at least it wasn't a 12 hatch again. Call me crazy but I think things are looking up for Jaedong. I mean it will probably only take about 5 more eliminations from individual leagues caused by bo losses for his ego to finally disintegrate and for him to finally put that goddamn pool down at 9.
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2349 Posts
July 20 2011 14:04 GMT
#680
On July 20 2011 23:01 sixfour wrote:
Wait. Hyuk. Really?


Is it really a surprise to you? Playing against hyuk in ZvZ is like playing the russian roulette. you never know, when he will nuke hyuk.
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
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