Basically, the hard thing about WeMade is figuring out who will come out on what map since they don't really assign anyone to a specific map with the notable exception of Empire of the Sun.
I have a feeling they'll probably gamble with Shine though -- they do need Roro/Shine to perform if they're going to do well in Playoffs. Not too sure about Pure, although Pure did show some amazing games if he's pretty well prepared.
For STX: They need Kal. Period. Even if they win this game (which gets them a spot in the playoffs), Kal's performance is pretty inexcusable. They've been relying on Bogus and a shaky Calm.
Either way, my predictions for the line up below. I'm not going to predict who wins though cause I'll just say 4-0 Fox.
On July 03 2011 09:32 mustaju wrote: The return of the most depressing banner.
It finally gets a public showing. It was made for Week 3 in Round 5, and, somehow, miraculously, it's still relevant. Who could have predicted that STX would continue to disappoint?!
On July 03 2011 09:32 mustaju wrote: The return of the most depressing banner.
It finally gets a public showing. It was made for Week 3 in Round 5, and, somehow, miraculously, it's still relevant. Who could have predicted that STX would continue to disappoint?!
On July 03 2011 09:43 Anomarad wrote: If Wemade wins this do they get into the playoffs?
Nope -- well, only if Oz loses today too. They need to win the next two matches to guarantee (since they have a match against Woongjin). If they lose against Woongjin then it becomes based on match differentials between Oz/Fox since STX's match differentials are pretty bad. Oz and Fox have tied match differentials.
If Oz 4-0s and Fox 4-3s or something, and Fox loses the next game then Oz pretty much has it :p
On July 03 2011 09:57 TranceStorm wrote: Come on Wemadeeee. I really really want them to make their first playoffs since the Pantech days. Sorry Oz, but they have had their glory days.
unfortunately, STX winning would make the other games less exciting.
But certainly carnivorous sheep will be happy like if STX wins. Regardless, the first round opponent in the playoffs will be KT though. Neither team can be too happy about that.
On July 03 2011 10:42 TanGeng wrote: unfortunately, STX winning would make the other games less exciting.
But certainly carnivorous sheep will be happy like if STX wins. Regardless, the first round opponent in the playoffs will be KT though. Neither team can be too happy about that.
If Flash is still on treatment then anyone would be happy about facing KT, anyone knows how violet is doing?
On another note, Wemade Fighting! this match sure hypes to be something very interesting, both teams are highly irregular and inconsistent.
As much as I love Bogus, tonight you, the FOXiest of progaming teams, play not only for your sake, but for the sake of Woongjin passing the first round of playoffs - which we totally won't do if we have to play KHAN, which we probably will have to do if you don't win tonight.
Your selfless efforts to make the playoffs are appreciated.
FOX FIGHTING!~~~ - VGhost
P.S.
On July 03 2011 10:42 TanGeng wrote: Regardless, the first round opponent in the playoffs will be KT though. Neither team can be too happy about that.
Untrue! If KHAN loses out and WeMade wins out (or STX wins tonight at least 4-2, give or take whatever KHAN drops beyond the -2 for losing two matches), then they face Woongjin instead, while KT plays KHAN. Me, if I didn't root for Woongjin, I'd rather play KT than Stars, but hey, if you'd rather face KT that's fine with me, because KHAN scares me right now.
On July 03 2011 09:52 Kipsate wrote: Thing is, Woongjin is now solid in 4th spot aren't they?So they won't care in their match vs WMF and just send rookies probably.
In which case Oz will have trouble QQ.
Nonsense! Do you remember how STX bribed Oz with chicken last year? The exact thing will happen this time around, except Oz will be the one doing the bribing.
On July 03 2011 09:52 Kipsate wrote: Thing is, Woongjin is now solid in 4th spot aren't they?So they won't care in their match vs WMF and just send rookies probably.
In which case Oz will have trouble QQ.
Nonsense! Do you remember how STX bribed Oz with chicken last year? The exact thing will happen this time around, except Oz will be the one doing the bribing.
The trouble is.. they will have to bribe two teams, not one. Maybe jaedong make use of some of the candy furaha sent to him.
Forge first, I think Kal setup the pylon first, went back to mining then forged Greedy Kal, you shall be punished Roro sending out his drone to 3 for his 2nd Probe poking about Ohh Kal, forge into nexus how greedy indeed Back to the nat pls obs I need to see if he put cannons Roro only making a pair of lings
Reaver tech is scouted by a scourge Lings dancing around the 3 slowlots 6th hatch at the 3 oclock is morping in, as is an evo chamber First reaver is out
Sair Reaver force attacking 3 oclock Zealots tanking for the reaver, quite a few hydras killed off Burrow is done, and Kal spots it His citadel is up, as are 4 more gateways, total of 4 +1 for sairs are don Obs warping in
Templar archives is up Observers are out +1 complete for toss ground Sairs taking out some scourge at the back of Roro's main, both types of templar are out 4 more gateways added, 9 total Shuttle and sairs back off from the back of Roro's main, but there sneaking their way into there again Hydras getting baited away by the sairs DT dropped into the main Hydras are pressuring the frontdoor of Kal, but pull back DT gets about 3 drones before dying to a sunken Lurkers are out Roro taking his mineral only
DT loaded into shuttle as reavers are left outside the nat
Corsairs trying to clear a path - 1 DT dropped into the main and now heading into the main mineral line but ovie/sunken stops it from doing too much damage as Kal tried to take Roro's attention with an attack on his main army simultaneously
Storm drop at the 3 oclock Storms the hatchery! & 2 drones Roro pulling drones nicely to avoid whatever is in the shuttles Tons of ground force rallied outside of Kal's nat Looks like its moving out Forge is spinning Hydras get a shuttle and a HT that was dropped But engagement Huge storms and scarabs are destroying the hydra force
Templar dropped at Roro's nat, destroyed before storming? But Kal's goon/zealot/reaver/templar/obs/shuttle/corsair army moving out and so far just walking over Roro's Hydralurk
Zealots are just idling behind the army though Storms and scarabs imba, why the hell can't I win a PvZ T.T Sairs taking out tons of OL's Twenty some kills on a reaver GG from Roro;
On July 03 2011 13:23 maximuspita wrote: Wow, finally a good game from Kal. I hope he brings this form back!
The thing is, he actually does show flashes of brilliance from time to time even during his recent mass of losses - perhaps when he's exceptionally well prepared?
On July 03 2011 13:23 maximuspita wrote: Wow, finally a good game from Kal. I hope he brings this form back!
The thing is, he actually does show flashes of brilliance from time to time even during his recent mass of losses - perhaps when he's exceptionally well prepared?
The skill is there.
From his games this season he seemed to just suddenly play VERY sloppy and the opponent would roll him over. Am I correct?
On July 03 2011 13:23 maximuspita wrote: Wow, finally a good game from Kal. I hope he brings this form back!
The thing is, he actually does show flashes of brilliance from time to time even during his recent mass of losses - perhaps when he's exceptionally well prepared?
The skill is there.
From his games this season he seemed to just suddenly play VERY sloppy and the opponent would roll him over. Am I correct?
I don't know if 'sloppy' adequately describes the comprehensive level of failure exhibited by Kal recently.
Classic scouting down to 5 oclock, did not see the factory; going to be scouting Mind last 2 starports for Classic, 1 for Mind Vulture heading towards Classic's main Marines moving out aswell Marine blocking ramp dies off Classic has a vulture out too though, 3 scvs pulled off to support Tons of scvs pulled off One marine, one vulture left, but Mind is still pressing I love Mind's expression on his face
2 wraiths out for Classic, cloak researching Cloak reseraching for both players Academy going up for Classic 2 wraiths manage to pick off the first wraith from Mind 3 wraiths free to pick off scvs Mind tried pressing with vultures, but the ramp was blocked with 5? vultures
Last has a faster fact, of course scv trying to tank the marine CC is up for Baby scv and marine are pressuring the nat marine dies, but snags an scv, Last's scv is forced out with a few hits left Fact is almost complete for Baby, and he has a bunker set down at the nat
Baby scans on Last's main Vultures have mines, Last's vultures Wraith is out for Baby 3rd fact getting placed down for Last Armory is up for him aswell, academy under construction Baby adding 3 more facts, 4 total
Goliath is out Baby clearing mines too Floating rax is taking hits from Last's goliath Baby has two tanks setup on the high ground Idle scvs Baby -.- Starport still producing, dropship I think 2 facts being added for Last, 5 total
Drop behind Last's nat Goliath goes down, Baby not targeting SCV's Dropship gets AWAY with 1 hit left Baby's drop wasn't that successful Baby taking his mineral only
Baby starting up wraith production again it looks like Last is trying to move through 12 oclock, but only leaves a tank seiged there 6th fact for Last being added Last also claiming his mineral only Dropship runs directly into a goliath Tank dropped on the high ground, Last's scvs getting shelled Baby took a total of 3 scvs Last is pushing Baby's tanks on the high ground Mines clear out the 3 tankjs Wraith are pew pew pewing away at the tanks scvs forced to battle Baby's tanks mid map are getting wrecked Vultures are harrassing the mineral only of Last though Wraiths kill the goliath and are taking out tanks unchecked
Oh hey, someone broke my chain of posts Anyways goliath forces the wraiths away after a few tank kills Mine on 3 tanks Two vultures harassing the mineral only again, kill a tank and a goliath, no scvs 2nd armory for Last, and first starport 6th fact for Baby now
Baby trying to double expand to 11 main and nat Terran equivilant of SairReaver WraithDropship Last expanding to 7 main and nat Dropship drops off 2 vultures and an scv, Doesn't kill much Looks like Baby wanted that expo aswell Wraiths going to work on some golaiths, 2 hidden facts at 7, by Baby 2nd armory for Baby
Vultures clear 9 oclock Baby's vultures Last wants to expand there Tanks getting pew pew pewed 8 starports at 7 oclock are being built Is those 2 hidden facts do anything, they'd better kill them off But they're getting shelled by Last's tanks A fact is forced to lift Last has 3 and looking to take 9 Starport gettinth thrown down for Baby Tons of wraiths Looks like those 2 hidden facts didn't do much 3 ports being added at 1 Baby on 5, Last on like 10
Two vultures wrecking scvs at 6 Last's wraiths are taking out Baby's tanks now 7 starports are at 1 oclock now Baby's shelling 9 ocloock with some tanks Both wraiths are 1-1 Tanks shelling 3 get pew pew pewed by Last's wraiths
Tanks getting pew pew pewed Vultures trying to harass 9 oclock, to no avail Baby sneaks done vultures into 6 nat Reminds me of Bogus vs FBH although, I can't really remember that, I was up till 7 am for that one Baby gets the snipe denied by a scan 2-2 for Last's wraiths Baby's wraiths engage Last's at 3 Goliaths are the deciding factor and Baby pulls out 2-2 for both players Baby coming back in, to snipe the refinery
One single tank popping at some turrets at 7 main, Two turrets down, that tank so hero Baby decides to take the last expo on his third of the map Last looks to be pressing with wraithgol Pulls back
Here have some of my scv's Last Wraiths engage Baby engages, once, twice! All of Last's wraiths die, only goliaths left He must have more from those tons of ports
Wraiths destroying the turrest at 9 oclock CC goes down! Or Baby leaves it to burn, as Last's wriaths try to take his tanks Moar scv slaughter Last's wraiths flying about, into Baby's territory Last's wraiths try to get some of Baby's tanks, but that wraith fleet looks so small compared to Baby's
Take out 7 Baby, you can do it! Starports not producing for Last? Last gets quite a few of Baby's tanks though! Baby has a CC at 9 oclock, landed next to the comsat Baby gets some of Last's tanks out of position Minor wraith engagement Baby's tanks are outside of 3 oclock Last is moving in to Baby's tanks, but they get pick off the goliaths and wraiths pull back Tanks are destroying the turrets at 3 Baby gets alot of Last's wraiths trying to kill the tanks, not the full force was sent though
Those hero tanks are taken out now; More tanks get taken out by Last! Fleet of pew pew pewers for Baby is scary though Last is moving towards 1 oclock Wraiths are cutting off reinforcements; ENGAGEMENT Baby's wraiths are split!
Baby trying to get a CC up and running at 3 oclock Tanks getting lots of scv kills at 1 nat Wraiths finally clean up Last is moving into 1 olock, Baby has his tanks seige Baby forces Last out across the bridge CC's next to each other at 9 oclock, Baby's is going down Vultures getting into 6 oclock Wraiths of Last taking out one or two tanks 6 oclock is clear of scvs ENGAGEMENT Golaiths are taking out tons of wraiths, GG FROM BABY
On July 03 2011 14:29 soujiro_ wrote: Fox so bad :\
baby loses a tvt to a "rookie"
To be fair, Last isn't terrible. He's still got his learning to do, but he's actually doing pretty well with more televised matches. He's turned around his losing record, which is something to commend.
Edit: yeah, basically the same exact thing Mustaju said. >_> Weirdo.
Last has always had great potential, I remember one of his debut games was a super late game BC showdown against Sea and he pulled out the win.
He's definitely shown excellent play in early-mid games, but lac ks the experience to win a lot of late game scenarios. But this game definitely showed that he's learning and improving =]
Hero taking his 2nd gas Spire is complete for Clam; and 2nd gas is being taken Hero's is up now too Pure scourge from Clam, Mutatiming Scourge at the nat, both players bpop a few Clam gets a muta as it pops
Hero going to lose an OL to mutas Hero's mutas are moving out though Two scourge pop One drone kill Both players getting scourge off on each other Clam comes up with more mutas
Clam moving out with his lings and mutas Hero deciding to take a 3rd at 9 ocolck Hero wins the ling battle, barely Another OL pops This time over Hero's nat, a few drones and an OL pop Both muta flocks back off Clam comes in again, tryin gto pick off the gas
Scourge scout out the 3rd of Hero HUGE ENGAGEMENT Hero has more scourge Clam has more mutas Hero getting quite a few mutas with his scourge GG from Hero + Show Spoiler +
Clam has just taken over Shuttle on my STX hate list.
Why the hell does FOX keep sending hero? I think a three-year old could have predicted that either Bogus or Calm would come out in the final set. If you think it's Bogus, you send Midas or Wooki, and if you think Calm, you send Shine. Ughhhhhhhhhhhhh
This is one of the few Matches I have been able to see this season and really WeMade looked like shit. BaBy handing games over, Roro not knowing protoss can make goons and reavers and i dont even know what happened with Mind. this is just getting dumb for WMF.
On July 03 2011 15:10 Shotcoder wrote: This is one of the few Matches I have been able to see this season and really WeMade looked like shit. BaBy handing games over, Roro not knowing protoss can make goons and reavers and i dont even know what happened with Mind. this is just getting dumb for WMF.
Yeah I feel the same here as I also have seen few matches this season. The performance was poor.
On July 03 2011 15:10 Shotcoder wrote: This is one of the few Matches I have been able to see this season and really WeMade looked like shit. BaBy handing games over, Roro not knowing protoss can make goons and reavers and i dont even know what happened with Mind. this is just getting dumb for WMF.
Yeah I feel the same here as I also have seen few matches this season. The performance was poor.
Yeah, some of the choices were rather questionable.
Roro played really passively overall and basically lost the game only reacting to what Kal was doing and got rolled by the Protoss ball. That isn't how Zerg should play in general but yeah ~_~
Mind's decision to cheese was pretty bad. It was the same map against the same player with the same cheese and he BARELY made it successful the last time he did it and he had a BO advantage the last time since Classic expanded.... just really really bad in general. Played stupidly risky for such a highstakes game :p
Baby and hero both failed to push when they had advantages and got rolled. hero shouldn't have engaged like that. Oh well.
Will be looking forward to next season. Hopefully they'll be more solid then
On July 03 2011 15:10 Shotcoder wrote: This is one of the few Matches I have been able to see this season and really WeMade looked like shit. BaBy handing games over, Roro not knowing protoss can make goons and reavers and i dont even know what happened with Mind. this is just getting dumb for WMF.
Yeah I feel the same here as I also have seen few matches this season. The performance was poor.
Yeah, some of the choices were rather questionable.
Roro played really passively overall and basically lost the game only reacting to what Kal was doing and got rolled by the Protoss ball. That isn't how Zerg should play in general but yeah ~_~
Mind's decision to cheese was pretty bad. It was the same map against the same player with the same cheese and he BARELY made it successful the last time he did it and he had a BO advantage the last time since Classic expanded.... just really really bad in general. Played stupidly risky for such a highstakes game :p
Baby and hero both failed to push when they had advantages and got rolled. hero shouldn't have engaged like that. Oh well.
Will be looking forward to next season. Hopefully they'll be more solid then
On July 03 2011 15:10 Shotcoder wrote: This is one of the few Matches I have been able to see this season and really WeMade looked like shit. BaBy handing games over, Roro not knowing protoss can make goons and reavers and i dont even know what happened with Mind. this is just getting dumb for WMF.
Yeah I feel the same here as I also have seen few matches this season. The performance was poor.
Yeah, some of the choices were rather questionable.
Roro played really passively overall and basically lost the game only reacting to what Kal was doing and got rolled by the Protoss ball. That isn't how Zerg should play in general but yeah ~_~
Mind's decision to cheese was pretty bad. It was the same map against the same player with the same cheese and he BARELY made it successful the last time he did it and he had a BO advantage the last time since Classic expanded.... just really really bad in general. Played stupidly risky for such a highstakes game :p
Baby and hero both failed to push when they had advantages and got rolled. hero shouldn't have engaged like that. Oh well.
Will be looking forward to next season. Hopefully they'll be more solid then
That is, if the rumors aren't true.
We can only hope.
rumors are rumors :p
i'm pretty confident that the rumors are nonsense.
On July 03 2011 15:10 Shotcoder wrote: This is one of the few Matches I have been able to see this season and really WeMade looked like shit. BaBy handing games over, Roro not knowing protoss can make goons and reavers and i dont even know what happened with Mind. this is just getting dumb for WMF.
Yeah I feel the same here as I also have seen few matches this season. The performance was poor.
Yeah, some of the choices were rather questionable.
Roro played really passively overall and basically lost the game only reacting to what Kal was doing and got rolled by the Protoss ball. That isn't how Zerg should play in general but yeah ~_~
Mind's decision to cheese was pretty bad. It was the same map against the same player with the same cheese and he BARELY made it successful the last time he did it and he had a BO advantage the last time since Classic expanded.... just really really bad in general. Played stupidly risky for such a highstakes game :p
Baby and hero both failed to push when they had advantages and got rolled. hero shouldn't have engaged like that. Oh well.
Will be looking forward to next season. Hopefully they'll be more solid then
That is, if the rumors aren't true.
We can only hope.
rumors are rumors :p
i'm pretty confident that the rumors are nonsense.
If you say it, I'll believe it. Good luck to WMF in MSL and OSL!
I feel really bad for teams that didnt make playoffs, I really hope STX keeps up the pace and puts on a good performance there and prove that they deserve the spot.
Not sure if someone has pointed this out already, but the OP is incorrect about STX being in as #6. If Samsung beats Ace, this becomes the case. If Samsung loses to Ace, Samsung becomes 6th and STX goes up to #5. The difference would be #5 plays Woonjin and #6 plays KT.
So Khan to a certain extent actually get to choose who they play first in the playoffs. At the very least, they can play very badly against Ace if they want to play KT.
On July 03 2011 19:19 baubo wrote: So Khan to a certain extent actually get to choose who they play first in the playoffs. At the very least, they can play very badly against Ace if they want to play KT.
On July 03 2011 16:52 Torenhire wrote: They don't, really, with the flop they pulled early in the season...but hey, I'll take it.
I suppose I can put my STX tag back on...
compared to every team that didnt make it, yes they do deserve it. that's why theyre in the playoffs and the others arent. its not like they got lucky brackets or something lol
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if STX wins. Regardless, the first round opponent in the playoffs will be KT though. Neither team can be too happy about that.
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