SKT has been kicking a lot of ass, but MBC has been no slouch either. I think this will turn into a pretty tough match that'll end in a 4-3, with either team taking home the win.
Here's hoping MBC will start a four-match winning streak. It'll fire up contention for the remaining three playoff positions, as well as for the number one position.
On June 20 2011 17:03 Ryo wrote: Shark's retirement ceremony is before the match today. Not sure if he's going to get a game but they will be presenting him with flowers etc etc.
Foru's game was pretty nice to watch. Hopefully he will get a chance.
Too tired to watch today's match since my health is turning for the worse tonight, haha. Gotta go to sleep soon or else I'm going to collapse from exhaustion! x.x But gogogo SKT!!
On June 20 2011 17:03 Ryo wrote: Shark's retirement ceremony is before the match today. Not sure if he's going to get a game but they will be presenting him with flowers etc etc.
I hope Shark will get a game ! I liked him so much after watching "Hyung joon becomes a progamer".
How will Bisu respond after the disappointment of the OSL? I think of the guy whose sig says 'stop saying progamers are crying after they lose', but I gotta ask: was Bisu actually crying after he got knocked out? The LR seemed to think so
Hoping he can bounce back - and BeSt, too. Gogo SKT
On June 20 2011 17:46 Jragon wrote: How will Bisu respond after the disappointment of the OSL? I think of the guy whose sig says 'stop saying progamers are crying after they lose', but I gotta ask: was Bisu actually crying after he got knocked out? The LR seemed to think so
Hoping he can bounce back - and BeSt, too. Gogo SKT
I'm not sure he was crying, his eyes were indeed red but i think it's from watching the screen too much. His eyes were already red before his games against Hyvaa. But Bisu didn't look too happy after losing, that's for sure.
On June 20 2011 14:51 domane wrote: Here's hoping MBC will start a four-match winning streak. It'll fire up contention for the remaining three playoff positions, as well as for the number one position.
On June 20 2011 17:46 Jragon wrote: How will Bisu respond after the disappointment of the OSL? I think of the guy whose sig says 'stop saying progamers are crying after they lose', but I gotta ask: was Bisu actually crying after he got knocked out? The LR seemed to think so
Hoping he can bounce back - and BeSt, too. Gogo SKT
I'm not sure he was crying, his eyes were indeed red but i think it's from watching the screen too much. His eyes were already red before his games against Hyvaa. But Bisu didn't look too happy after losing, that's for sure.
Yeah, a lot of us weren't too happy after he lost. Do all A-team members get automatic entry to that qualification stage of the OSL, or is Bisu gonna have to jump through even more qualifying hoops next OSL after getting knocked out so early?
On June 20 2011 17:46 Jragon wrote: How will Bisu respond after the disappointment of the OSL? I think of the guy whose sig says 'stop saying progamers are crying after they lose', but I gotta ask: was Bisu actually crying after he got knocked out? The LR seemed to think so
Hoping he can bounce back - and BeSt, too. Gogo SKT
I'm not sure he was crying, his eyes were indeed red but i think it's from watching the screen too much. His eyes were already red before his games against Hyvaa. But Bisu didn't look too happy after losing, that's for sure.
Yeah, a lot of us weren't too happy after he lost. Do all A-team members get automatic entry to that qualification stage of the OSL, or is Bisu gonna have to jump through even more qualifying hoops next OSL after getting knocked out so early?
He'll have to go through the prelims all over again. In fact, it's his inability to avoid the prelims that have been killing him pretty much over the last 2 years. I often think he'd fare better against the competition he'd face in the last 8 than he would in the prelims (and the weird environment they're played in).
He only has himself to blame though.
Damn, Fantasy in another TvT - he used to be so strong in this MU but recently he's struggled with it.
On June 20 2011 17:46 Jragon wrote: How will Bisu respond after the disappointment of the OSL? I think of the guy whose sig says 'stop saying progamers are crying after they lose', but I gotta ask: was Bisu actually crying after he got knocked out? The LR seemed to think so
Hoping he can bounce back - and BeSt, too. Gogo SKT
I'm not sure he was crying, his eyes were indeed red but i think it's from watching the screen too much. His eyes were already red before his games against Hyvaa. But Bisu didn't look too happy after losing, that's for sure.
Yeah, a lot of us weren't too happy after he lost. Do all A-team members get automatic entry to that qualification stage of the OSL, or is Bisu gonna have to jump through even more qualifying hoops next OSL after getting knocked out so early?
He'll once again have to go through the prelims to get into the OSL, he has some sort of mental block when it comes to the OSL T_T
Thanks for streaming Nanashin
Map is New Empire of the Sun
Fantasy in orange at 1 o'clock Sea in blue at 11 o'clock
Fantasy making a rax inside his main Sea opting to build his close to the center of the map, sea's rax finishes a little earlier than Fantasy's
Factory down for Fantasy, meanwhile 2 marines moving towards Fantasy's base
Fantasy sighs deeply as he adds another factory meanwhile Sea is attacking Fantasy's scv that's constructing the CC, wraiths now inside the main killing off scvs
Sea taking his own nat Fantasy relatiating with 4 tanks, he arrives at Sea's nat, scvs pulled, wraiths come back to kill fantasy's tanks
academy finished for Fantay, so is the armory Goliaths finally pop out from the factories and provide some anti air
Sea still pumping wriaths from two ports he cloaks his wraiths and attacks the nat, 1 goliath down, scan goes off and other goliaths begin firing at the wraiths, wriaths retreating for now
Sea sending some tanks towards Fantasy's nat, he go up the ramp and siege up Sea continuing his harass inside the main
Fantasy's nat is now being shelled by sea's tanks. wraiths providing cover fantasy pulling scvs to attack the tanks
Sea executed his strategic build to perfection. Another TvT loss for Fantasy. He tried his best to recover from the early pressure, but Sea never gave him the chance.
On June 20 2011 18:18 Ryo wrote: Shark on the MBC bench, for the very last time.
He was listed in the OSL prelims, but the OP said he pulled out, any idea why?
Didn't practice for it, that was the reason he gave anyway. But he went nonetheless to support his teammates. Hyun then claimed that Shark was pissed off that he got into the Ro24 (running joke between them).
On June 20 2011 18:18 Ryo wrote: Shark on the MBC bench, for the very last time.
He was listed in the OSL prelims, but the OP said he pulled out, any idea why?
Didn't practice for it, that was the reason he gave anyway. But he went nonetheless to support his teammates. Hyun then claimed that Shark was pissed off that he got into the Ro24 (running joke between them).
ahh ok, thanks for the info. Hopefully we'll see him tonight (and hopefully he practiced)
On June 20 2011 18:26 jaQi wrote: Bisu still looks pissed ^^, hope he won't start slumping..
He's pissed cuz fanta not pulling his weight
Well T1 has only 3 "power spirits" available at any time - and they jump from player to player (or multiple SKT zergs)...it's impossible for the entire team to be in form at the same time.
Right now s2/soo share a spirit, Bisu has one, and Sun/Rain/whatever is absorbing the other =P
On June 20 2011 18:26 jaQi wrote: Bisu still looks pissed ^^, hope he won't start slumping..
He's pissed cuz fanta not pulling his weight
Well T1 has only 3 "power spirits" available at any time - and they jump from player to player (or multiple SKT zergs)...it's impossible for the entire team to be in form at the same time.
Right now s2/soo share a spirit, Bisu has one, and Sun/Rain/whatever is absorbing the other =P
I guess with Best and Bisu in form, Fanta's turn to slump LOL
Well its not really surprising Fantasy is terrible in proleague, he always hasn't been that great in it. I know SKT fans are pissed off at him not pulling his weight, but wait till post-season because that guy is going to be the most dangerous player in the league.
jaehoon takes his nat, places a gateway in front of his choke has a probe occupying the other nat so soo's 3rd way delayed but soo uses the extractor trick to regain his drone's life - but manner pylon!
soo moving lurkers among jaehoon's army a lot getting stormed in a bunch not a very good engagement but once the zealots run out his lings will be king
soo with a group of lings looking for targets - templar, but they settle for attacking a few goons they should have seen the speedshuttle load up some templar
Jaehoon shouldn't load his shuttle and go for harassment with zerglings right in his face. No shit, they're going to know about your harassment plans Jaehoon :|
On June 20 2011 18:35 Elefanto wrote: Bisu 60 wins, holy shit.
Keep in mind double Winner's League pads a lot of wins to your portfolio.
Nice try.
Keep in mind Flash's record was 57 wins. When Bisu hit 57 wins this season it was with less games played/higher winrate.
Flash went 57-16. (73 games) 78.1%
At 73 games Bisu was 59-14. 80.8%
Bisu is currently 60-14. 81.1%
This record is no more Bisu getting to play double WL than it was Flash getting to play double PL due to KTFlash.
This wasn't even about Flash, its talking about how proleague wins are become less and less meaningful because pros play so damn much.
Compared to what? Did you say Flash's 57 wins didn't mean anything because he played so much? If you did what do you want exactly? A record is not "pfft games played meh" when it is set at a sick 78% winrate.
And you specifically said double WL, which is comparing this year to years previous. The record was set this year with less games played than said record, so your assertion "pros play so much damn much" is pretty shakey at best.
On June 20 2011 18:35 Elefanto wrote: Bisu 60 wins, holy shit.
Keep in mind double Winner's League pads a lot of wins to your portfolio.
Nice try.
Keep in mind Flash's record was 57 wins. When Bisu hit 57 wins this season it was with less games played/higher winrate.
Flash went 57-16. (73 games) 78.1%
At 73 games Bisu was 59-14. 80.8%
Bisu is currently 60-14. 81.1%
This record is no more Bisu getting to play double WL than it was Flash getting to play double PL due to KTFlash.
This wasn't even about Flash, its talking about how proleague wins are become less and less meaningful because pros play so damn much.
Compared to what? Did you say Flash's 57 wins didn't mean anything because he played so much? If you did what do you want exactly? A record is not "pfft games played meh" when it is set at a sick 78% winrate.
And you specifically said double WL, which is comparing this year to years previous. The record was set this year with less games played than said record, so your assertion "pros play so much damn much" is pretty shakey at best.
the funniest bit is how he took his KT tag off so we dont know he's biased.
news flash woomongngnong, you're not fooling anyone.
those 2 reavers in that shuttle could have done a lot...but jaehoon didn't drop them?
finally jaehoon trying to break out of his nat with his army he does so easily - soo had only lurkers there, and defiler now jaehoon's army will have to contend with the rest of soo's army and he concedes
Once soO had Jaehoon penned in his base I was waiting for him to take out his exposed expos....Seemed like forever before he cleaned up the DTs and finally built up sufficient forces to end things.
Good try by the Hoon soo is a pretty good player so nothing to be ashamed about there, especially playing in his worst matchup. Shame he couldnt keep up his win streak.
On June 20 2011 17:17 Spica wrote: Too tired to watch today's match since my health is turning for the worse tonight, haha. Gotta go to sleep soon or else I'm going to collapse from exhaustion! x.x But gogogo SKT!!
nooo
what have you done
is it the soO? i didn't mean it like that, well get well ;D
also: SOOOOOOOO~
(even though he should have killed jaehoon long time ago, and your multitask suvks soo)
jaehoon never fails to disappoint, gets caught in a contain, then decides to fuck around with shuttles and ignores his macro not only that he decides to break contain AFTER he's lost two mining bases and the third is certain to be doomed
On June 20 2011 19:17 RJGooner wrote: Good try by the Hoon soo is a pretty good player so nothing to be ashamed about there, especially playing in his worst matchup. Shame he couldnt keep up his win streak.
No matter. 3 more matches to go, all Jaehoon needs is 2 wins.
On June 20 2011 19:18 onewingedmoogle wrote: jaehoon never fails to disappoint, gets caught in a contain, then decides to fuck around with shuttles and ignores his macro not only that he decides to break contain AFTER he's lost two mining bases and the third is certain to be doomed
On June 20 2011 19:24 Womwomwom wrote: If Best loses this game, he should rethink practicing something other than PvT. This should literally be a free win.
On June 20 2011 19:24 Womwomwom wrote: If Best loses this game, he should rethink practicing something other than PvT. This should literally be a free win.
i honestly have no idea how that razy macro doesn't transfer over to pvz
if best actually put some effort into pvz he might get far in a league again
On June 20 2011 19:24 Womwomwom wrote: If Best loses this game, he should rethink practicing something other than PvT. This should literally be a free win.
i honestly have no idea how that razy macro doesn't transfer over to pvz
if best actually put some effort into pvz he might get far in a league again
pvz actually requires some control...
nexus placed, now cannon another scouting probe heads out
On June 20 2011 19:24 Womwomwom wrote: If Best loses this game, he should rethink practicing something other than PvT. This should literally be a free win.
i honestly have no idea how that razy macro doesn't transfer over to pvz
if best actually put some effort into pvz he might get far in a league again
pvz actually requires some control...
nexus placed, now cannon another scouting probe heads out
it still feels like best is stubborn and almost enjoys being a one trick pony though. light has at least shown improvement in his tvp
btw how do people know this is shark's last game? anyways i thought he was commentating? o_O
On June 20 2011 19:24 Womwomwom wrote: If Best loses this game, he should rethink practicing something other than PvT. This should literally be a free win.
i honestly have no idea how that razy macro doesn't transfer over to pvz
if best actually put some effort into pvz he might get far in a league again
pvz actually requires some control...
nexus placed, now cannon another scouting probe heads out
it still feels like best is stubborn and almost enjoys being a one trick pony though. light has at least shown improvement in his tvp
best was amazing in '08 he could even play arguably (slightly) above average pvz then but for whatever reason he's lost his touch
stargate on the way another scouting probe destroyed
3 hatch hydra? Hydra den morphing Core blocks completely seals Best? No, it shouldn't... Stargate going up Shark gets the probe YEAH SON This map reminds me on Andromeda, will Best feel the pressure, that is July's former teammate?
Lair morphing at the 3rd I like sharks haircut Hydras picking away at the core and gate 2 gates added at the main, total of 4 Core goes down, as does the gateway, forge next 5? total hathcerys
Shark taking 7 main aswell Shark no reinforcing his attacK? Zealots pressing the hydras, hydras get reinforcements and press them back, pick off a sair Archives is up
OL speed is upgraded 6 gateways total Best trying to be like Bisu, gets one drone kill for one zealot HT tech out, core spinning Misrally, drone lose, or not Shuttle out 1HT, 1 DT, 1lot 2 sunkens being added to the nat Speedlots moving towards 7 Hydras from 7 intercept Sair dies, OL is still alive, DT dropped inthe main
DT sneaking around to pick off some drones SHARK pulls drones from nat because of the HT 8 dronekills from the DT Not too many from the HT Best taking mineral only Scourge get the shuttle 8 total kills for the HT FIX YOUR RALLY
another storm drop at shark's 3rd - shuttle scourged, not a bad amount of drone kills but best now moving with goon/heavy army with storm support while shark doesn't have any sign of lurkers? hmm but a nice storm clears out some hanging-on hydra
Best doing well with harass, but it ends and he's 2 base vs 4. He needs to hit some timing now, but it doesn't look like it'll happen. NVM looks like he hit it lol. Drones pulled to fight. That harass did more than I thought.
Goons lots and HT moving out pressing Shark Hydras need to dodge storms better Drones being pulled off Shark should've 4pooled to bring back Ever 08 memories GG from Shark
I felt sorry for Shark when he had that sad expression on his face. He was probably thinking about how this part of his life was ending....Still, he had his moments in that match.
On June 20 2011 19:41 Motivate wrote: and best cockblocks shark -.-
Would you prefer he gift him a win? I think Best showed him more respect by playing his best don't you think?
Anyway thanks for the muta stacking trick shark. Farewell and GL on commentating
haha of course he should have played his best. he did some nice storms but tbh it felt like shark even ran into them. doesn't mean he didn't cockblock him though
On June 20 2011 19:44 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: I felt sorry for Shark when he had that sad expression on his face. He was probably thinking about how this part of his life was ending....Still, he had his moments in that match.
Well at least he's an MBC commentator so fans get to see him often. It would be sadder if he moved away from BW altogether.
I felt sorry for Shark when he had that sad expression on his face. He was probably thinking about how this part of his life was ending....Still, he had his moments in that match.
I felt sorry for Shark when he had that sad expression on his face. He was probably thinking about how this part of his life was ending....Still, he had his moments in that match.
Was it his last game or something?
Yeah that was his last game. He's retiring as a player and hanging up his mouse/keyboard
On June 20 2011 19:44 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: I felt sorry for Shark when he had that sad expression on his face. He was probably thinking about how this part of his life was ending....Still, he had his moments in that match.
I feel MORE sorry for the lingering veterans on benches who never play.
They're delaying their move onto other, better things.
Unless of course they really turn into effective coaches.
I felt sorry for Shark when he had that sad expression on his face. He was probably thinking about how this part of his life was ending....Still, he had his moments in that match.
Was it his last game or something?
Think he's becoming a full time commentator, so he isn't playing anymore.
On June 20 2011 19:50 RJGooner wrote: Feel bad for Shark but given how out of practice he was he would have been hard pressed to beat Best despite the fact that Best vZ isnt the greatest.
Shark probably got the easiest opponent he could have gotten from SKT's active lineup
On June 20 2011 19:44 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: I felt sorry for Shark when he had that sad expression on his face. He was probably thinking about how this part of his life was ending....Still, he had his moments in that match.
Well at least he's an MBC commentator so fans get to see him often. It would be sadder if he moved away from BW altogether.
Yeah there is that. Nice optimistic outlook bro, I like it
Zona: I agree. I respect Yellow's decision for that very reason, though I would've liked him to stay involved in the scene in a coaching capacity or something. I guess KT feel they're well served in that department atm, or Yellow was just ready to move on entirely.
I've said it so many times, but we really are a different team when our Zergs are consistently picking up games. Especially as there's always one of FBB that's out of form at any one time.
Thanks for the thread and stream.
Good luck for the rest of the season MBC, you've got too much fighting spirit to not make it into the play-offs.
On June 20 2011 20:03 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: I've said it so many times, but we really are a different team when our Zergs are consistently picking up games. Especially as there's always one of FBB that's out of form at any one time.
Thanks for the thread and stream.
Good luck for the rest of the season MBC, you've got too much fighting spirit to not make it into the play-offs.
I think play-offs are almost impossible now. MBC have to win all their remaining games and hope that other teams lose most of theirs.
Hyun's mega slump has really hurt the team. Well, that and Light's transfer.
On June 20 2011 20:03 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: I've said it so many times, but we really are a different team when our Zergs are consistently picking up games. Especially as there's always one of FBB that's out of form at any one time.
Thanks for the thread and stream.
Good luck for the rest of the season MBC, you've got too much fighting spirit to not make it into the play-offs.
I think play-offs are almost impossible now. MBC have to win all their remaining games and hope that other teams lose most of theirs.
Hyun's mega slump has really hurt the team. Well, that and Light's transfer.
After Light's departure I've been really impressed with how MBC have still managed to get good results. He was a huge loss for the team.
It feels like the teams fighting for the last 3 spots are dropping sets fairly regularly and aren't totally convincing, but I agree it's going to be a tough road from here on in. I'll be cheering for MBC though.
On June 20 2011 20:03 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: I've said it so many times, but we really are a different team when our Zergs are consistently picking up games. Especially as there's always one of FBB that's out of form at any one time.
Thanks for the thread and stream.
Good luck for the rest of the season MBC, you've got too much fighting spirit to not make it into the play-offs.
I think play-offs are almost impossible now. MBC have to win all their remaining games and hope that other teams lose most of theirs.
Hyun's mega slump has really hurt the team. Well, that and Light's transfer.
I think that the other teams are perfectly capable of dropping matches I just wonder if MBC has the ability to win 4? straight given hyuns slump and the lack of depth on the roster.
On June 20 2011 20:03 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: I've said it so many times, but we really are a different team when our Zergs are consistently picking up games. Especially as there's always one of FBB that's out of form at any one time.
Thanks for the thread and stream.
Good luck for the rest of the season MBC, you've got too much fighting spirit to not make it into the play-offs.
I think play-offs are almost impossible now. MBC have to win all their remaining games and hope that other teams lose most of theirs.
Hyun's mega slump has really hurt the team. Well, that and Light's transfer.
After Light's departure I've been really impressed with how MBC have still managed to get good results. He was a huge loss for the team.
It feels like the teams fighting for the last 3 spots are dropping sets fairly regularly and aren't totally convincing, but I agree it's going to be a tough road from here on in. I'll be cheering for MBC though.
On June 20 2011 20:03 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: I've said it so many times, but we really are a different team when our Zergs are consistently picking up games. Especially as there's always one of FBB that's out of form at any one time.
Thanks for the thread and stream.
Good luck for the rest of the season MBC, you've got too much fighting spirit to not make it into the play-offs.
I think play-offs are almost impossible now. MBC have to win all their remaining games and hope that other teams lose most of theirs.
Hyun's mega slump has really hurt the team. Well, that and Light's transfer.
I think that the other teams are perfectly capable of dropping matches I just wonder if MBC has the ability to win 4? straight given hyuns slump and the lack of depth on the roster.
3, not 4. MBC has the worst Rd 6 schedule ever. 4 matches in the last 9 days. They also play their last match 3 days before their rivals play theirs.
On June 20 2011 20:10 ArvickHero wrote: SKTerrans really need to start picking up the slack. Destroying Minor/Dreamleague is the only thing non-Fantasy SKTerrans have really accomplished...
I don't know. Now that we've got 2 performing zergs and 3 performing protosses the terrans probably could use a break.
This just makes me respect and feel for Jaehoon and Sea even more. Jaehoon has really picked up recently and grown into a very solid player over the past few months and being the captain of the team, he really puts the team over himself (since he didn't focus on his OSL prelims that much) which just makes it that more painful with their performance. MBC really do deserve better than what they're getting
Shark had such a good start against BeSt though. If... well let's leave out the ifs. That game was nothing to be ashamed of and it was good to see him play.
Sad to see Shark lose his last game ever, but glad to see SKT still winning! :D
At least Shark got consolation from everyone. Always enjoy hearing your commentary, Shark! Thanks for all the hard work and effort you put into MBC for the past years!
it's nice that MBC respects its elders, but they are really showing they don't care about results anymore if they are willing to give a proleague game to Shark as a giveaway present. Anyways, good luck in the commentator's chair Shark... also Hyungjoon should have been, shouldn't he?
On June 21 2011 05:30 amazingoopah wrote: it's nice that MBC respects its elders, but they are really showing they don't care about results anymore if they are willing to give a proleague game to Shark as a giveaway present. Anyways, good luck in the commentator's chair Shark... also Hyungjoon should have been, shouldn't he?
I wouldn't say "don't care about results anymore", but MBC must have believed that Shark could have won, seeing in the LR thread that Shark apparently had a good ZvP build. No team doesn't care about results anymore, even ACE still cares about their results even though they're unable to qualify for the playoffs. Every team and player does their best to win.
On June 21 2011 05:30 amazingoopah wrote: it's nice that MBC respects its elders, but they are really showing they don't care about results anymore if they are willing to give a proleague game to Shark as a giveaway present. Anyways, good luck in the commentator's chair Shark... also Hyungjoon should have been, shouldn't he?
This is a standard courtesy, especially to someone like Shark, a former captain who won crucial games for them in the 2006-2007 championship winning season. Yellow will be getting a game soon.
It has nothing to do with Hyungjoon. He's not a member of MBC or SKT.
Shark discovered muta-stacking? That's a real milestone, like Bisu popularising the Daezang build. Shark seems like a cool guy anyway, popular with everyone in the BW scene. GG, WP, GL for the future
On June 21 2011 10:19 Jragon wrote: Shark discovered muta-stacking? That's a real milestone, like Bisu popularising the Daezang build. Shark seems like a cool guy anyway, popular with everyone in the BW scene. GG, WP, GL for the future
he also pioneered simcitying in ZvP, which helped to completely cripple 4Gate2Archon.
Shark was always one of those players who was an absolute genius in the practice house, but was not always the best to execute his tactics/strategies in live games.
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