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MiniRoman
Canada3953 Posts
Get off the hate wagon. | ||
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Game
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hanbang1993
United States40 Posts
On May 06 2011 01:24 MiniRoman wrote: If random koreans were allowed to enter this (and they knew about it) there would be like 10k registrations. The rules really aren't that totalitarian and you can tell by the idea alone that it is a gift of entertainment for the foreign community. Get off the hate wagon. even they know, they will not place because they can't speak English fluently and lags with foreigners(mostly no lag with US and Canada). I wanna play this tour but LRM)Game hates me so he won't put me in. So unfair lol. | ||
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bITt.mAN
Switzerland3691 Posts
On May 06 2011 02:18 Game wrote: Guy who mentioned 3v3 team melee: While I organize things, I can only suggest things. Sponsors typically come into the game with their own ideas. I have a name ...  *tear* *slits wrists* True when there's money more people come and take it seriously, but with your skills and ~reputation~ I guess a Just-For-Fun TM tourney like BO16 could be sweetIt's also likely to yield some better-quality play than just 1v1, from an observer's perspective. But the one thing that I'd REALLY drop everything and watch would be a Team Mele tourney, where teams aren't stuck to one race (those games are SO weird but SO fun) | ||
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fazek42
Hungary438 Posts
I was so, so incredibly thrilled to see this wonderful news open up with that. This is a great event and I am very much thankful for those who made this event possible. That being said, I just wish to remind everybody of that very first line. BW is something wonderful and the foreign community is also something very precious. I wish everybody could realize, that in order to have fun and prosper we need to set aside our differences - yet in almost every BW forum there is strife. I'm not an experienced player or a veteran community member, nor do I know much about the circumstances of this current issue of banning Scan from tournaments, but if the main reasoning is excessive BM, that just sounds so incredibly ironic from Game himself. Yes, Scan has an immature, arrogant, repulsing personality but as far as I know he is pretty much the only person who records his FPVODs and shares that with the community. (And no, from a beginners point of view, who wishes to improve his skill, it doesn't really matter whether he does that just to brag or not.) There are only a few streamers left, and most of the people who stream their play aren't very skilled. Scan is obviously a very good player, one that we could arguably consider a member of the foreign scene. I strongly believe that if the community wishes to survive, and wishes to do so in a manner that is worth something, we should start focusing on collaborating more. With the top foreign players leaving, we have to value every really good player more than ever. We may have to put up with more things than before, but isn't it worth it? Isn't BW worth it? We shouldn't drive our top players away, reading blogs like Belladona's just makes me so said. No, we should be able to discuss our problems, and learn to tolerate each other. Every member of the community is very valuable now. We don't have the luxury to just ban people anymore - that should only be a last resort. We now should treat each other with more care, teach each other about the correct ways of behaviour. Perhaps if somebody had a talk with Scan, the problems could be resolved. He is quite young after all - maybe a good talk is all he needs. We need to act intelligent and learn to resolve our problems here. And I really don't just mean that in this current case (of which, again, I have very little knowledge). The same goes for everything else, really. I was shocked to hear the admins leaving ICCup and it's sad to see how the hatred steams towards ICCup. Again, I'm not knowledgeable on the subject, but was it really that unresolvable? Perhaps yes, perhaps with a little more patience and faith the problems could have been solved (at least, solved in a slightly better way). All I'm trying to say here, that every person here realizes that BW is something great. We all want to see the foreign scene prosper, and a little bit more patience, tolerance and better communication could really go a long way here. Take, for example, Game himself. He is perhaps the most influential person in foreign BW - the man who has done the most for this community as of recently (even if you disagree, you *have* to agree he has done a lot for us). He again is a very controversial person himself - and some community members rightfully feel repulsed by his behaviour and bad manners. I myself have been raged on in the stream the other day for a comment which was meant not to be offensive in any way, and the explanation was that he was sorry, he was tired and needed to rage on somebody. Things like that, banning people from the stream for little reason really discourages participation in what I feel is something very valuable. Yet again, Game is a person that I respect, because despite his flaws - which all of us have -, he has done, and is doing the most incredible job here. Perhaps if people could learn to appreciate that, perhaps if we could criticize in a constructive fashion, without the hatred, things would definitely go better. I am sorry for rambling on like that and I am sorry for derailing the thread quite a bit. I do, however, strongly feel that this needed to be said, perhaps this was not the best place to do it, but I did need to get this out of my system and I also hope that some people will actually give these concepts a thought. Again, thank you for thsoe who made this awesome tournament possible, I wish all the players the best of luck, the viewers the best of time, GL HF all everybody! edit1: typos and such | ||
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Game
3191 Posts
B) That would be a good blog. C) Ok, maybe only an "okay" blog since your ignorance to the subjects really, really skew your point of view. | ||
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JoeKim
United States608 Posts
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George_the_man
796 Posts
On May 05 2011 01:14 JoeKim wrote: do trolls live under bridges? Who the hell are you :D? aww right… that guy who takes 10% money from people’s donations on another tournament- it is not right subject to discuss here that so lets just drop it. No regards for u , sorry . On May 05 2011 03:18 Game wrote: Can MODs please take care of the trolling? This thread is about a 3v3 BGH tournament - not a player. So many references to a completely separate tournament... sigh On May 06 2011 07:41 Game wrote: A) This is not the thread to talk about such things. How about u stop dogging and get into that discussion? It is the subject about 3v3 tournament kos-templar organizes and we discuss about rules of that tournament which were posted here and the inability of some player to join tournament due to those rules (or not?) (and yes some things refers to other tournament but thats obvious since hes being punished for hes behavior on previous tournament) Where else u would like to discuss it if not here ? Besides its not me who started that subject , I just wanted to show u observer point of view on that (and as long as mods will not decide that I deserve bann ur opinion about that thing is kinda irrelevant) and just like I suggested before u should be fine about drawing peoples attention here. And if somebody wants to discuss about foreign community in that post also and how can those tournaments affect it than why not ? If not here than where and when if ever? If u want to keep foreign bw scene alive u should know its all about people who watch it (imagine for example situation where fantasy is being banned from prolege for .. BM! like that dancing bc vs calm!- sounds ridiculous doesnt it? but they would never ban one of their star do u know why?) - same here - if scan really deserves that bann why dont u prove ur point here ? ) , but it seems like u do not care about observers (im not sure if it’s the right word ..) Let people take apart in that kind of discussions about bw foreign scene without fear that they can be ignored , banned or laughed, Like always sorry for bad english. Best regards | ||
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Shade[AoV]
United States43 Posts
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ICCup.Tesla
United States841 Posts
However, with the way the broodwar side currently is people are right to be concerned. If you exclude a member that only further hurts it, instead of help promote it. Further more to address Shade[AoV]: Not to sound like a bitch but ANYONE can host their own tournament. Hell if I had the $200 I would do it. I just ran a tournament last weekend. So please don't make it sound like you guys are pulling out all the stops for a tournament. I really don't mean to sound rude or anything, but a tournament is not that hard as long as the person hosting has the experience, the streams, the casters and a decent place to post the brackets + the right publicity. So please don't throw it out there like its something impossible. You know what, I will even say right here that if I can raise the money/get the sponsors, then I personally will host a tournament where NO ONE from the broodwar tournament will be excluded. With that I am done typing here. By the way Game, sorry for bringing it up. However it seems bitter sweet how karma is towards people sometimes. I would suggest considering your actions and responses a little more, before you decide to react on them. | ||
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KoS-Templar
United States76 Posts
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Game
3191 Posts
Furthermore, if anyone ACTUALLY has any interest in not just trolling and wants to debate the issue, or any issue with me: my contacts are IN the OP, that'd just be too logical though. | ||
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ICCup.Tesla
United States841 Posts
On May 06 2011 11:40 Game wrote: Tesla that didn't seem very helpful but more so of a self promotion, thanks for using this thread to do so. To trolls: I will not justify my actions, as the grass is always greener on the other side and there is not enough Tylenol in the world to keep going back and forth with either side while at the same time derailing this thread further. You guys are absolutely ridiculous. You think I'm going to talk to you reasonably when you accuse me of abuse and say that I am banning a controversial player because he is BM and furthermore accusing me of the same offense in hindsight? Sorry to be the voice of reason here but uhm, lol? Furthermore, if anyone ACTUALLY has any interest in not just trolling and wants to debate the issue with me: my contacts are IN the OP, that'd just be too logical though. Self promotion? You really are something else. I was merely making a point that ANYONE with half a brain and willing to take the time + has the funds to do it, could EASILY keep up with you. Also if you want to go on about what is "greener" on the other side and you want to go on about trolling, well you just opened up a can of worms. I hope you are prepared for my information to the public. You claim this isn't personal - We both know that isn't true. Everyone so far has asked why do you exclude him when he is CLEARLY one of the last really good foreign scene players. You claim bad manners, but the only person who has displayed really bad manners, according to EVERYONE'S memory - is pretty much you. We have all asked for you to show where he was overly bm. IdrA was bm all the time yet he was NEVER excluded. He was good and was active back when broodwar was thriving. He has now moved onto Sc2. So why exclude someone who is LESS bm then the infamous IdrA and who plays better then 3 quarters of the remaining broodwar community? Oh wait..I know why!!!! ![[image loading]](http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c279/Kotori_Muto/Image1-3.jpg) (The images are very big on the thread so if it cuts off please just click the direct link) ![[image loading]](http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c279/Kotori_Muto/Image2-2.jpg) (The images are very big on the thread so if it cuts off please just click the direct link) So do NOT try to sit here and say I am doing self promotion. I am trying to help keep the broodwar community alive. I spent 2 years of my life, doing nothing more then giving back to the broodwar community as an active iccup admin. Constantly doing something. While I have also done things in Sc2, I have never completely left the broodwar scene and refuse to because of my love for it. You do this for all the wrong reasons. You should be running these to give back, not to feel in power. With that, I think we will not be speaking again as the sheer thought of how you treat members of this community, makes me sick to my stomach. Now the truth is at least out, where everyone can see why he is REALLY being excluded. Good day to you. | ||
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Game
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That screenshot shows me saying I hate him. This is true. Scan, when you read this, I've told you I hate you before so this should be nothing new. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/268/rofldavid.jpg/) TSL2 abuse Defiler.ru $200 TvZ tournament abuse + Show Spoiler + Ironic that he was only there because of me in the first place Multiple bannable abuses at iCCup via fake flag, stat transfers etc Failure to conduct himself in ISL The list really does goes on, but since you've only managed to get under my skin a little bit, I'll keep it short. Keep it going, I'm sure you're self-righteous enough to do so, maybe even then I'll bust out the non-public abuse! + Show Spoiler + DUNT DUN DUN!!! that's a personal note P.S I actually just read your entire post for the first time. Quote me saying he isn't allowed to play because he is BM. Can't find it? Yikes! It's because it doesn't exist. | ||
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ICCup.Tesla
United States841 Posts
On May 06 2011 12:09 Game wrote: You ma'am are a martyr! Why Jesus should come down from Heaven himself and give you a chocolate bunny. That screenshot shows me saying I hate him. This is true. Scan, when you read this, I've told you I hate you before so this should be nothing new. + Show Spoiler + TSL2 abuse Defiler.ru $200 TvZ tournament abuse + Show Spoiler + Ironic that he was only there because of me in the first place Multiple bannable abuses at iCCup via fake flag, stat transfers etc Failure to conduct himself in ISL The list really does goes on, but since you've only managed to get under my skin a little bit, I'll keep it short. Keep it going, I'm sure you're self-righteous enough to do so, maybe even then I'll bust out the non-public abuse! + Show Spoiler + DUNT DUN DUN!!! that's a personal note P.S I actually just read your entire post for the first time. Quote me saying he isn't allowed to play because he is BM. Can't find it? Yikes! It's because it doesn't exist. Your right! You NEVER said that you were disqualifying him because of bm. Oh wait..Then whats this: On May 04 2011 08:08 Game wrote: That's fine. It's on a case by case basis, and for Scan, he falls under many categories that eliminate him from playing in any tournament I host. 1) Excessive BM 2) Several proven prior abuses in tournaments. The list goes on, thanks for your concern though. P.S The only reason I'm clarifying that publicly is because you felt the need to also post it publicly instead of talking to me on Skype. Quote Link: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218460¤tpage=2#36 Just incase you decide to edit it: ![[image loading]](http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c279/Kotori_Muto/Game2.jpg) Oh wait..maybe all of that is wrong and I misread. My apologizes. (Everything else in your post is rubbish in my opinion and not even worth saying more than this sentence about) | ||
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Game
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And again, for anyone who feels they ever need to debate with me, my contact information is very public. Tesla has a real e-peen issue, so please do not use her posts as an example. Edit: Rubbish? Proven abuse = rubbish? Your logic ability is working against you again... | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
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Game
3191 Posts
On May 06 2011 12:49 Eywa- wrote: Btw, Scan is from Korea isn't he? So just wondering why is he considered for foreign tournaments. (not trying to hate on scan or anything, but yeah) Being an ex-progamer should be alone the reason he falls under rule #6. Just sayin'  | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On May 06 2011 12:51 Game wrote: Being an ex-progamer should be alone the reason he falls under rule #6. Just sayin' Woops I over read that one ^^. But for real can the haters stop posting? lol. Its hard for me to find any posts worth reading. | ||
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Shade[AoV]
United States43 Posts
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