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Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
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Last Edited: 2011-04-20 10:40:25
April 19 2011 20:14 GMT
#261
Gonna have to help hype this thread. Group of Death is Group of Death. I'm no Ver so pardon the lack of analytical depth. I also hope I'm allowed some exaggerations and a few creative liberties

HYPE HYPE HYPE!

Bisu[shield]

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Introduction

(P)Bisu is Hope.

Hope for Protoss since the dark ages of the Terran reign. Hope that the dominion of (Z)sAviOr and his ilk over Protoss would cease . (P)Bisu is, after all, the Revolutionist. His is a bloodline not of the Khala and its brightest sons, Tassadar and Artanis ((P)Stork and (P)JangBi), but that of Zeratul and the legacy of the Void. His annihilation of the Maestro marked the beginning of the modern era, not just of PvZ but of Broodwar as a whole. He is the First Dragon.

Nevertheless, doubt lingers. The glory of his race has always been fleeting. Despite their vaunted psionic power, the Protoss are a dying race. They were not made to change themselves like the Zerg, to assimilate others for evolution. They were not made to reproduce and survive like the Terran, building ingenious craft for war.

But they were made to endure. And in the midst of darkness and despair, hope shines all the brighter.

Objectives

Ro4-Finals

As the only Golden Badge holder in this group, (P)Bisu is a perennial contender in the MSL. However, the past few years have been unkind to Kim Taek Yong. He has stood in the shadows while his Terran and Zerg peers have taken title after title. Even after monstrous surges in Proleague, he has not tasted individual league success since his Batoo OSL run. The time is ripe. (P)Bisu has revitalized the race, has begun conquering his demons, and is on the warpath. The people (Protoss) sing the song of angry men. It is time for another revolution.

Analysis

(P)Bisu is the current hottest progamer right now (in more ways than one). Having won the Winner's League title for his team by defeating (Z)Jaedong and (T)Flash successively, his momentum is as high as it ever will be. Moreover, this is his best chance to defeat (T)Flash in an individual league. Historically, his PvT series play has shown vulnerability. Specifically he crashed and burned against (T)Fantasy, (T)Iris, and (T)Mind. Since (T)Flash is the best PvTer currently - as well as of all time - he has reason to be worried. On the other hand, a single match against him will not eliminate (P)Bisu outright. (P)Bisu can afford to lose to (T)Flash the first game, and win against (T)Sea and (Z)Jaedong. What he cannot afford is to lose to (T)Flash and for (T)Flash to lose the winner's game, forcing him to win against Flash to stay in the MSL.

The first map is Monte Cristo, a new and untested PvT map. Look for (P)Bisu to play strategically hoping for a quick win. Some map features favor Carriers, and if (P)Bisu is honest with his personal assessment of Carrier micro, then he can still take it to late game and win. If he gets the win, then odds are high that he defeats his next opponent and moves on as the first seed. If he doesn't, he still has a good chance of advancing as long as (T)Flash wins his next game.

Not So-Historical Representative

(P)Bisu is Alexander the Great. Having used Phalanxes (DTs) and cavalry (Corsairs) to conquer most of the known world (PvZ), he is one of the greatest generals of history. He revolutionized ancient warfare, and put together one of the largest empires in history. His Hellenic education also made him an honourable warrior (all Protoss are honourable warriors). However, he died at an early age due to hubris (probably too much of a pretty boy). Must be wary of elephants (Tanks).


n.die.Jaedong

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Introduction

(Z)Jaedong is Death

The void left by (Z)sAviOr’s downfall led to a civil war. Various Zerg scrambled and clawed their way to the Overmind’s Throne. The resulting carnage saw one being emerge, and to this day he holds in thrall most of his brethren. That being was (Z)Jaedong, the living embodiment of (Z)July’s hyper-aggression and micromanagement, (Z)GGPlay’s late-game management, and the Maestro’s spine-chilling game sense. No Zerg has come close to his death-dealing play. No Zerg has forged such an iron will. The more you push (Z)Jaedong to the edge, the more he can overwhelm you with ee-han timing and insanely reckless all-ins.

The defilement of the Maestro’s legacy requires a cleansing. Thus, a Zerg must rise far above all Zerg before him and seize an immaculate crown. In doing so, this Zerg must exemplify its racial trait: violence. Who better to exhibit this than the Legend-Killer himself? The Tyrant lusts for blood once more. Only absolute victory can sate him. Let the world tremble and fear. Death returns.

Objectives

Finals

Having come so close to matching the Tornado Terran’s title count, (Z)Jaedong is probably the most determined progamer in the MSL. Last season, (T)Flash lost early, and it fell on (Z)Jaedong’s shoulders to chase history and the spot of the Greatest Of All Time. Unfortunately this burden proved too heavy. (Z)sAviOr’s descendant, (Z)Hydra, usurped the Zerg throne in a series that left Lee Jae Dong fans wondering whether time and superior Mutalisk micro - long his sole possession - had finally defeated their champion. His resilience is unquestionable. His desire is unmatched. Nothing short of a Golden Badge will suffice for the greatest Zerg of all time.

Analysis

No group could be worst for (Z)Jaedong.

His first matchup is his easiest. While the map is unfavorable, (Z)Jaedong himself has said that at the pinnacle of Broodwar, imbalance does not dictate the victory. The title of the strongest is taken by those whose skills surpass the imbalance of the maps (hear that, (P)Bisu?). This means that (T)Sea is in for a world of hurt.

All the same, the real threats come right after. Whether he wins or loses, (Z)Jaedong faces the two players who have stood against him toe-to-toe for years and won. (T)Flash needs no introduction. The two have faced each other more than 50 times (including non-standard leagues). (T)Flash is (Z)Jaedong’s eternal rival. When the time comes, their children will probably be the two best Starcraft 3 players in the world, continuing LeeSsang rok. Still, (T)Flash owns the lead, and has recently dominated (Z)Jaedong (in 3 straight finals no less). If you had to bet your life on anyone to defeat (Z)Jaedong in a single game or in series play, (T)Flash is the best option (as Rekrul found out the hard way).

(P)Bisu is the second best option. Imagine a matchup as lopsided as ZvP. Now imagine it flipped on its head. (P)Bisu is 70% LIFETIME against Zerg. The guy is crazy. Even worse for our Zerg hero is the fact that (P)Bisu has stomped (Z)Jaedong the past 2 out of 3 games they played (the loss coming from a Lurker build vs too few cannons and late observers). In fact since June 2009, (Z)Jaedong has only won once in six serious games against (P)Bisu. Moreover, (P)Bisu defeats (Z)Jaedong at his own game – multitask and micro. I am not the only (P)Bisu fan who squealed like a little girl when I watched him micro Zealots against Zerglings on Judgment Day, or even that sexy Corsair micro in a losing effort on Benzene. The Revolutionist was made to fight someone like the Tyrant.

Given this, (Z)Jaedong is like Han Solo: never tell him the odds. His play is sublime. He steps his game up to his peak when he needs to, and can innovate on the spot. I will never forget the TLFE Heir Apparent. (Z)Jaedong learned ZvP DURING A GAME. We also need to consider that he has created a matchup solution for ZvZ that no one can deconstruct or even hope to emulate ((Z)EffOrt was doing fine but I don’t hear people calling Mutalisks effortlisks). There is none more qualified than (Z)Jaedong to change the metagame for Zerg in modern Broodwar. For (P)Bisu and (T)Flash fans, there is one thing to say: Caveat Emptor.

Not So-Historical Representative

(Z)Jaedong is Genghis Kahn. The most fearsome conqueror of Europe and Asia, Temujin never balked when faced with steel-laden Knights (Tanks). One of the most brutal conquerors ever, he used prisoners of war to shield his own troops and massacred entire city populations for resisting him. Nothing was sacred to him but victory. The European princes ((T)Fantasy) and kings ((P)Stork) were fodder for his lightning fast Mongol Horse Archers (Mutalisks). Only time was great enough to defeat the Kahn.


by.Flash

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Introduction

(T)Flash is Destiny.

From the time of (T)BoxeR, Terrans have ruled the universe. The Emperor, The Monster Terran, and the Tornado Terran were the first three Bonjwas to have ever existed. As time decayed the Bonjwas' sovereignty, no new Terran appeared to claim his birthright. So began the dark ages.

It was written on the stars that in these darkest of hours, the Chosen One would be born. The perfect player, endowed with the greatest of the Bonjwas’ gifts. Yet the prophecy did not say he would arrive perfect. The sharpest steel required the hottest fire. And so it was that the Terran child (T)Flash came into the scene a cheeser, and ironically, lived under the Storm Zerg’s care. The world forsook him, deriding his “turtle” style and his personal failures. They said he was just a mechanical freak, doomed to the oblivion of mediocre Proleague Terrans. Still, he labored carrying those around him time and time again until his back and wrists would break. The early supernova was burning out.

And it was to become a black hole that would consume all creation. (T)Flash knew what no one else did. He knew, not because of his outstanding mind, but because of his great heart. Destiny was no trifling matter to be given him without sacrifice. Like matter, it was neither created nor destroyed. Destiny, that majestic triumph of the Terran lineage ((T)BoxeR, (T)iloveoov, and (T)NaDa) and its inherent ingenuity ((T)Midas and (T)XellOs), had to be earned.


Objectives

Finals

(T)Flash is the greatest player of our time. (T)Flash is going to become the greatest player of all time. All that he needs is that one, final title to shatter (T)NaDa’s record. Sure, (T)NaDa has other records, but the most prestigious is his Golden Mouse and Golden Badge combination. No other gamer has that. Not (T)iloveoov. Not (T)BoxeR. Not (Z)sAviOr. (T)Flash needs that Golden Badge. Fans may say that he doesn’t need that to be the GOAT, but it will validate his long years of hard work. It will justify his sweat and tears and bloody fingers. It will affirm his potential as the Ultimate Weapon.

Analysis

Lee Young Ho is as close to perfection as can be. He has no weakness.

Early game, he is the best bunker-rusher of all time along with (T)BoxeR. Bunker rushes require intense micro and the largest balls of all. Sure, 4 pool is riskier, but its purpose is two-fold: (1) to end the game early/get an advantage and (2) mess with your opponent’s mind. Losing a 4/5 pool will still accomplish one of the two. It's essentially a sacrifice with a sure reward in series play. Bunker rushes are tests of willpower. Failure will not necessarily defeat you but set you back, so it’s mostly a question of how committed you are to your strategy and how you will transition given success or failure. It’s even a very questionable move because in the face of greedy builds, the Terran still has the option to simply play for a timing attack which is much safer than a bunker rush. (T)Flash has memorized the handbook of bunker rushing and has even amended its provisions. His other cheeses are artistic masterpieces of micro and innovation, be they BBS or proxies.

Mid game, he is the best timing-pusher of all time. He reads his opponent very well with prescient scans and in-game analysis (worker counting, anyone?). He also has a very solid defensive style that negates all forms of midgame cheese. He gets early turrets to counteract Mutalisk aggression or Reaver harass. He positions his Tanks in graduated clumps so that they protect several areas and at the same time overlap to provide killing power. His Vultures are such a pain to deal with because he’s so good at timing a surround + mine to ensure that not all mines are shot down.

Late game, he is the most durable player. I think the most exemplary games of Flash have involved comebacks from the most massive deficits ((T)Flash v (T)Fantasy MSL game 1, (T)Flash v (T)firebathero Neo Medusa, (T)Flash v (T)Leta OSL, (T)Flash v (T)Mind Proleague 10-11, I could go on and on). He simply does not give up. In late-game battles, he manages to be incredibly cost efficient. At a time when most players are so drained physically and mentally, (T)Flash is so laser-focused he can still target-fire tank clumps and navigate his Dropships to destroy the most important tech buildings.

Overall, (T)Flash has unequalled game sense. He detects things from the smallest details. He understands when to play aggressively and when to play passively. I cannot stress this enough. This is why his anti-fans hate him for either turtling (because it looks like his opponent just keeps sending waves of units to crash against an immovable tank and turret line) or cheesing (because it looks like (T)Flash just walks in his opponent’s nat/expos and simply obliterates him in one fell swoop). This is a result of constant, instinctive thinking. It’s an oxymoron, to be sure, but (T)Flash’s genius is not rational. His mechanical talent can be learned, but his mental talent is the only one of its kind. Is his opponent gunning for an economic lead? Is he going for an all in? One by one, (T)Flash analyzes his opponent’s options and eliminates them one by one, forcing the other player to ride his cadence.

(T)Flash is favored in every single matchup in this group. It may be called the Group of Death, but realistically, (T)Flash can simply look at it as the Group of “Just another day in the Office”.

Not So-Historical Representative

(T)Flash is Napoleon Bonaparte. No one ever dreamed as loftily, nor influenced so many facets of human life – war, politics, law, science, literature, art and culture. From his military genius to his personal charisma; from his political savvy and arrogance; from his rise and fall, Napoleon was the most influential and decisive leader in history. Waterloo is history. (T)Flash the Bonjwa is the present. (T)Flash the GOAT is the future.


Sea[shield]

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Introduction

(T)Sea is Perseverance.

In all stories of fantasy, danger, and death there are always characters who are heroic without being heroes. In Le Morte d’Arthur, you have Sir Gawain, who will always be the lesser knight when compared with Launcelot, Tristram, or Lamerok. Portrayed as a hot-headed character of sorts who does stupid or sometimes evil things, Gawain was unfairly shown up every single time in the stories by other knights. In the Lord of the Rings, you have Boromir, who was a great warrior and a noble Captain of Gondor, and yet the movies demonize him into some kind of power hungry villain. In A Song of Ice and Fire, you have Sandor Clegane, a man of violence hated by all of Westeros.

All of this shows what the world wants (T)Sea to do: fall over and die. (T)Sea is that unchanging rock in the middle of the sea (heh) that serves no glamorous purpose. Right now he is being brushed aside in the mad dash to hype a (T)Flash (Z)Jaedong (P)Bisu Broodwar triumvirate. And that’s where he wants to be. The underdog is always fun to root for. His perseverance is the story of our lives. At the end of the day, Sir Gawain remained fiercely loyal to King Arthur to the very end. Boromir redeemed his honor. Sandor Clegane saved Sansa and Arya Stark.

After all, a rock (iceberg) in the middle of the sea sank the Titanic.

Objectives

Survive Group D – Ro8

(T)Sea is well-known to be a Proleague workhorse. The Terran ace of MBC since the beginning of time (no, (T)Light was an ace sniper – there’s a clear difference), (T)Sea has consistently put up win after win after win to help his team. This culminated in a Proleague championship, a Winner’s League silver, and zero individual acclaim. Off the top of my head I’m morally sure that he is statistically the best player never to have reached an individual league final. He is the gatekeepers’ gatekeeper.

This is why fate should not be so cruel to deny him a taste of success. In the MSL Group Selection, he was overheard hoping out loud not to be put in a group of death with the TaekBangLeeSsang. In a dark twist of fate that would make Roald Dahl smirk, that was exactly what happened. Now, Sea is a strong player. He’s a 60% player who excels in all match-ups. However he’s up against the great wall of Korea here, facing the best three players of all three races. Lady luck is out of magic. (T)Sea has to transcend everything he has ever been to make it out of this group alive.

Analysis

(T)Sea has a bad chance to win a single game, but Sea has also been dealt with the best of hands possible in this group.

First, his initial matchup against (Z)Jaedong is on a Terran-favored map. La Mancha is 64% TvZ. Also, his previous victory in the Korea OSL was on Zergliner (although his other recent win on Polaris Rhapsody was only due to (Z)Jaedong’s stubbornness in sticking to Mutas after dissecting (T)Sea’s base with amazing micro). It’s a hard fight, but (T)Sea himself said that Terran is a little imba once you get tanks. Look for a midgame mech transition or a Marine-Tank push against (Z)Jaedong in this game. Late-game is not an option after being destroyed by (Z)Neo.G_Soulkey with Defiler play.

Second, he might not have to play (T)Flash at all. That is his only sure loss (0-8 is such a great head-to-head hahaha). Since (T)Flash is still favored over a red-hot (P)Bisu in his current status as Bonjwa, (T)Sea can lose to (Z)Jaedong, win against (P)Bisu in the latter’s worst matchup, and have a rematch against (Z)Jaedong on Dante’s SE where he has a 100% winrate (in one game). Cross your fingers (T)Sea-fans.

Third, God exists. Somehow, some way, (T)Sea has GOT to break through his mental block vs the S-Class. All his patience and hard work will pay off. He might not be the most talented, but he has done so much for the Starcraft scene (and TL.net) due to his innate friendliness and likeability that he deserves nothing less than to escape from his Starleague curse. (T)Sea is like (T)Flash without that special spark. It’s time to stop wishing for luck and to rely on skill, strategy and instinct. All players can lose on any given day.

Not So-Historical Representative

(T)Sea is Scipio Africanus. The Roman Hannibal was an incredible military commander, defeating Hannibal Barca decisively and saving Rome from its Scourge. However, Hannibal was already severely weakened by war attrition. Furthermore, Scipio was unable to capitalize on his military success because he did not seize the moment, and was defeated and surpassed later on by Julius Caesar. (T)Sea must rewrite the history books to achieve what all men want, but few ever do.


"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
April 19 2011 20:20 GMT
#262
On April 20 2011 04:56 Kipsate wrote:
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On April 20 2011 03:40 Smurphy wrote:
What do I need to do to prepare for this epic clash of titans?

I haven't watched BW live before. The games will be played around 5am local time for me and I won't have a problem waking up early for them. I've already done some laundry and assured myself that I will have clean underwear ready to go. I know I will have my water bottle on hand.

What else do I need to do? What sites do I need to have ready? What videos or guides should I read to prepare myself? Do I need to perform a ritual cleansing?

This may be the single most important moment of my life and I don't want to mess it up.


Get a phone ready and my adress, because I am not sure if my heart will be able to take it when Jaedong plays.


Can I throw my name in there?

Cuz if Jaedong gets knocked out I'm going to be on suicide watch
Jaedong and Baby
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5298 Posts
April 19 2011 20:28 GMT
#263
On April 20 2011 05:14 Caladbolg wrote:
Gonna have to help hype this thread. Group of Death is Group of Death. I'm no Ver so pardon the lack of analytical depth. I also hope I'm allowed some exaggerations and a few creative liberties

HYPE HYPE HYPE!

Bisu[shield]
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Introduction

(P)Bisu is Hope.

Hope for Protoss since the dark ages of the Terran reign. Hope that the dominion of (Z)sAviOr and his ilk over Protoss would cease . (P)Bisu is, after all, the Revolutionist. His is a bloodline not of the Khala and its brightest sons, Tassadar and Artanis ((P)Stork and (P)JangBi), but that of Zeratul the legacy of the Void. His annihilation of the Maestro marked the beginning of the modern era, not just of PvZ but of Broodwar as a whole. He is the First Dragon.

Nevertheless, doubt lingers. The glory of his race has always been fleeting. Despite their vaunted psionic power, the Protoss are a dying race. They were not made to change themselves like the Zerg, to assimilate others for evolution. They were not made to reproduce and survive like the Terran, building ingenious craft for war.

But they were made to endure. And in the midst of darkness and despair, hope shines all the brighter.

Objectives

Ro4-Finals

As the only Golden Badge holder in this group, (P)Bisu is a perennial contender in the MSL. However, the past few years have been unkind to Kim Taek Yong. He has stood in the shadows while his Terran and Zerg peers have taken title after title. Even after monstrous surges in Proleague, he has not tasted individual league success since his Batoo OSL run. The time is ripe. (P)Bisu has revitalized the race, has begun conquering his demons, and is on the warpath. The people (Protoss) sing the song of angry men. It is time for another revolution.

Analysis

(P)Bisu is the current hottest progamer right now (in more ways than one). Having won the Winner's League title for his team by defeating (Z)Jaedong and (T)Flash successively, his momentum is as high as it ever will be. Moreover, this is his best chance to defeat (T)Flash in an individual league. Historically, his PvT series play has shown vulnerability. Specifically he crashed and burned against (T)Fantasy, (T)Iris, and (T)Mind. Since (T)Flash is the best PvTer currently - as well as of all time - he has reason to be worried. On the other hand, a single match against him will not eliminate (P)Bisu outright. (P)Bisu can afford to lose to (T)Flash the first game, and win against (T)Sea and (Z)Jaedong. What he cannot afford is to lose to (T)Flash and for (T)Flash to lose the winner's game, forcing him to win against Flash to stay in the MSL.

The first map is Monte Cristo, and new and untested PvT map. Look for (P)Bisu to play strategically hoping for a quick win. Some map features favor Carriers, and if (P)Bisu is honest with his personal assessment of Carrier micro, then he can still take it to late game and win. If he gets the win, then odds are high that he defeats his next opponent and moves on as the first seed. If he doesn't, he still has a good chance of advancing as long as (T)Flash wins his next game.

Not So-Historical Representative

(P)Bisu is Alexander the Great. Having used Phalanxes (DTs) and cavalry (Corsairs) to conquer most of the known world (PvZ), he is one of the greatest generals of history. He revolutionized ancient warfare, and put together one of the largest empires in history. His Hellenic education also made him an honourable warrior (all Protoss are honourable warriors). However, he died at an early age due to hubris (probably too much of a pretty boy). Must be wary of elephants (Tanks).


n.die.Jaedong

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Introduction

(Z)Jaedong is Death

The void left by (Z)sAviOr’s downfall led to a civil war. Various Zerg scrambled and clawed their way to the Overmind’s Throne. The resulting carnage saw one being emerge, and to this day he holds in thrall most of his brethren. That being was (Z)Jaedong, the living embodiment of (Z)July’s hyper-aggression and micromanagement, (Z)GGPlay’s late-game management, and the Maestro’s spine-chilling game sense. No Zerg has come close to his death-dealing play. No Zerg has forged such an iron will. The more you push (Z)Jaedong to the edge, the more he can overwhelm you with ee-han timing and insanely reckless all-ins.

The defilement of the Maestro’s legacy requires a cleansing. Thus, a Zerg must rise far above all Zerg before him and seize an immaculate crown. In doing so, this Zerg must exemplify its racial trait: violence. Who better to exhibit this than the Legend-Killer himself? The Tyrant lusts for blood once more. Only absolute victory can sate him. Let the world tremble and fear. Death returns.

Objectives

Finals

Having come so close to matching the Tornado Terran’s title count, (Z)Jaedong is probably the most determined progamer in the MSL. Last season, (T)Flash lost early, and it fell on (Z)Jaedong’s shoulders to chase history and the spot of the Greatest Of All Time. Unfortunately this burden proved too heavy. (Z)sAviOr’s descendant, (Z)Hydra, usurped the Zerg throne in a series that left Lee Jae Dong fans wondering whether time and superior Mutalisk micro - long his sole possession - had finally defeated their champion. His resilience is unquestionable. His desire is unmatched. Nothing short of a Golden Badge will suffice for the greatest Zerg of all time.

Analysis

No group could be worst for (Z)Jaedong.

His first matchup is his easiest. While the map is unfavorable, (Z)Jaedong himself has said that at the pinnacle of Broodwar, imbalance does not dictate the victory. The title of the strongest is taken by those whose skills surpass the imbalance of the maps (hear that, (P)Bisu?). This means that (T)Sea is in for a world of hurt.

All the same, the real threats come right after. Whether he wins or loses, (Z)Jaedong faces the two players who have stood against him toe-to-toe for years and won. (T)Flash needs no introduction. The two have faced each other more than 50 times (including non-standard leagues). (T)Flash is (Z)Jaedong’s eternal rival. When the time comes, their children will probably be the two best Starcraft 3 players in the world, continuing LeeSsang rok. Still, (T)Flash owns the lead, and has recently dominated (Z)Jaedong (in 3 straight finals no less). If you had to bet your life on anyone to defeat (Z)Jaedong in a single game or in series play, (T)Flash is the best option (as Rekrul found out the hard way).

(P)Bisu is the second best option. Imagine a matchup as lopsided as ZvP. Now imagine it flipped on its head. (P)Bisu is 70% LIFETIME against Zerg. The guy is crazy. Even worse for our Zerg hero is the fact that (P)Bisu has stomped (Z)Jaedong the past 2 out of 3 games they played (the loss coming from a Lurker build vs too few cannons and late observers). In fact since June 2009, (Z)Jaedong has only won once in six serious games against (P)Bisu. Moreover, (P)Bisu defeats (Z)Jaedong at his own game – multitask and micro. I am not the only (P)Bisu fan who squealed like a little girl when I watched him micro Zealots against Zerglings on Judgment Day, or even that sexy Corsair micro in a losing effort on Benzene. The Revolutionist was made to fight someone like the Tyrant.

Given this, (Z)Jaedong is like Han Solo: never tell him the odds. His play is sublime. He steps his game up to his peak when he needs to, and can innovate on the spot. I will never forget the TLFE Heir Apparent. (Z)Jaedong learned ZvP DURING A GAME. We also need to consider that he has created a matchup solution for ZvZ that no one can deconstruct or even hope to emulate ((Z)EffOrt was doing fine but I don’t hear people calling Mutalisks effortlisks). There is none more qualified than (Z)Jaedong to change the metagame for Zerg in modern Broodwar. For (P)Bisu and (T)Flash fans, there is one thing to say: Caveat Emptor.

Not So-Historical Representative

(Z)Jaedong is Genghis Kahn. The most fearsome conqueror of Europe and Asia, Temujin never balked when faced with steel-laden Knights (Tanks). One of the most brutal conquerors ever, he used prisoners of war to shield his own troops and massacred entire city populations for resisting him. Nothing was sacred to him but victory. The European princes ((T)Fantasy) and kings ((P)Stork) were fodder for his lightning fast Mongol Horse Archers (Mutalisks). Only time was great enough to defeat the Kahn.

by.Flash
+ Show Spoiler +

Introduction

(T)Flash is Destiny.

From the time of (T)BoxeR, Terrans have ruled the universe. The Emperor, The Monster Terran, and the Tornado Terran are the first three Bonjwas to have ever existed. It was written on the stars that in the darkest of hours, the Chosen One would be born. The perfect player, endowed with the greatest of the Bonjwas’ gifts. Yet the prophecy did not say he would arrive perfect. The sharpest steel required the hottest fire. And so it was that the child (T)Flash came into the scene a cheeser and ironically under the Storm Zerg’s care. The world forsook him, deriding his “turtle” style and his personal failures. Still he labored, carrying those around him time and time again until his back and wrists would break. The early supernova was burning out.

And it was becoming a black hole that would consume the cosmos. (T)Flash knew. He knew not because of his outstanding mind but because of his great heart. Destiny was no trifling matter to be given him without sacrifice. Like matter, it was neither created nor destroyed. It was to be earned.


Objectives

Finals

(T)Flash is the greatest player of our time. (T)Flash is going to become the greatest player of all time. All that he needs is that one, final title to shatter (T)NaDa’s record. Sure, (T)NaDa has other records, but the most prestigious is his Golden Mouse and Golden Badge combination. No other gamer has that. Not (T)iloveoov. Not (T)BoxeR. Not (Z)sAviOr. (T)Flash needs that Golden Badge. Fans may say that he doesn’t need that to be the GOAT, but it will validate his long years of hard work. It will justify his sweat and tears and bloody fingers. It will affirm his potential as the Ultimate Weapon.

Analysis

Lee Young Ho is as close to perfection as can be. He has no weakness.

Early game, he is the best bunker-rusher of all time along with (T)BoxeR. Bunker rushes require intense micro and the largest balls of all. Sure, 4 pool is riskier, but its purpose is two-fold: (1) to end the game early/get an advantage and (2) mess with your opponent’s mind. Losing a 4/5 pool will still accomplish one of the two. It's essentially a sacrifice with a sure reward in series play. Bunker rushes are tests of willpower. Failure will not necessarily defeat you but set you back, so it’s mostly a question of how committed you are to your strategy and how you will transition given success or failure. It’s even a very questionable move because in the face of greedy builds, the Terran still has the option to simply play for a timing attack which is much safer than a bunker rush. (T)Flash has memorized the handbook of bunker rushing and has even amended its provisions. His other cheeses are artistic masterpieces of micro and innovation, be they BBS or proxies.

Mid game, he is the best timing-pusher of all time. He reads his opponent very well with prescient scans and in-game analysis (worker counting, anyone?). He also has a very solid defensive style that negates all forms of midgame cheese. He gets early turrets to counteract Mutalisk aggression or Reaver harass. He positions his Tanks in graduated clumps so that they protect several areas and at the same time overlap to provide killing power. His Vultures are such a pain to deal with because he’s so good at timing a surround + mine to ensure that not all mines are shot down.

Late game, he is the most durable player. I think the most exemplary games of Flash have involved comebacks from the most massive deficits ((T)Flash v (T)Fantasy MSL game 1, (T)Flash v (T)firebathero Neo Medusa, (T)Flash v (T)Leta OSL, (T)Flash v (T)Mind Proleague 10-11, I could go on and on). He simply does not give up. In late-game battles, he manages to be incredibly cost efficient. At a time when most players are so drained physically and mentally, (T)Flash is so laser-focused he can still target-fire tank clumps and navigate his Dropships to destroy the most important tech buildings.

Overall, (T)Flash has unequalled game sense. He detects things from the smallest details. He understands when to play aggressively and when to play passively. I cannot stress this enough. This is why his anti-fans hate him for either turtling (because it looks like his opponent just keeps sending waves of units to crash against an immovable tank and turret line) or cheesing (because it looks like (T)Flash just walks in his opponent’s nat/expos and simply obliterates him in one fell swoop). This is a result of constant, instinctive thinking. It’s an oxymoron, to be sure, but (T)Flash’s genius is not rational. His mechanical talent can be learned, but his mental talent is the only one of its kind. Is his opponent gunning for an economic lead? Is he going for an all in? One by one, (T)Flash analyzes his opponent’s options and eliminates them one by one, forcing the other player to ride his cadence.

(T)Flash is favored in every single matchup in this group. It may be called the Group of Death, but realistically, (T)Flash can simply look at it as the Group of “Just another day in the Office”.

Not So-Historical Representative

(T)Flash is Napoleon Bonaparte. No one ever dreamed as loftily, nor influenced so many facets of human life – war, politics, law, science, literature, art and culture. From his military genius to his personal charisma; from his political savvy and arrogance; from his rise and fall, Napoleon was the most influential and decisive leader in history. Waterloo is history. (T)Flash the Bonjwa is the present. (T)Flash the GOAT is the future.



fucking awesome; i got goose bumps. HYPE!
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
Rick Roy
Profile Joined March 2011
United States59 Posts
April 19 2011 20:29 GMT
#264
This group is going to be awesome lol
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
April 19 2011 20:35 GMT
#265
Banner love <3<3<3<3 hahahahahaha!! ^^

GO GET THEM SEA! THIS IS YOUR MSL FFS!
"I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully" -GWB ||
Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
April 19 2011 20:44 GMT
#266
On April 20 2011 05:28 xM(Z wrote:

fucking awesome; i got goose bumps. HYPE!


Haha thanks. Edited in my favorite pictures of the three and corrected a few typos. 4:40 a.m. here and I can't sleep!
"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
amazingoopah
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1925 Posts
April 19 2011 20:44 GMT
#267
haha, love the banner... can be titled ... the Story of Sea's Life
Deekin[
Profile Joined December 2010
Serbia1713 Posts
April 19 2011 20:54 GMT
#268
On April 20 2011 05:14 Caladbolg wrote:
Gonna have to help hype this thread. Group of Death is Group of Death. I'm no Ver so pardon the lack of analytical depth. I also hope I'm allowed some exaggerations and a few creative liberties

HYPE HYPE HYPE!

Bisu[shield]

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+ Show Spoiler +

Introduction

(P)Bisu is Hope.

Hope for Protoss since the dark ages of the Terran reign. Hope that the dominion of (Z)sAviOr and his ilk over Protoss would cease . (P)Bisu is, after all, the Revolutionist. His is a bloodline not of the Khala and its brightest sons, Tassadar and Artanis ((P)Stork and (P)JangBi), but that of Zeratul the legacy of the Void. His annihilation of the Maestro marked the beginning of the modern era, not just of PvZ but of Broodwar as a whole. He is the First Dragon.

Nevertheless, doubt lingers. The glory of his race has always been fleeting. Despite their vaunted psionic power, the Protoss are a dying race. They were not made to change themselves like the Zerg, to assimilate others for evolution. They were not made to reproduce and survive like the Terran, building ingenious craft for war.

But they were made to endure. And in the midst of darkness and despair, hope shines all the brighter.

Objectives

Ro4-Finals

As the only Golden Badge holder in this group, (P)Bisu is a perennial contender in the MSL. However, the past few years have been unkind to Kim Taek Yong. He has stood in the shadows while his Terran and Zerg peers have taken title after title. Even after monstrous surges in Proleague, he has not tasted individual league success since his Batoo OSL run. The time is ripe. (P)Bisu has revitalized the race, has begun conquering his demons, and is on the warpath. The people (Protoss) sing the song of angry men. It is time for another revolution.

Analysis

(P)Bisu is the current hottest progamer right now (in more ways than one). Having won the Winner's League title for his team by defeating (Z)Jaedong and (T)Flash successively, his momentum is as high as it ever will be. Moreover, this is his best chance to defeat (T)Flash in an individual league. Historically, his PvT series play has shown vulnerability. Specifically he crashed and burned against (T)Fantasy, (T)Iris, and (T)Mind. Since (T)Flash is the best PvTer currently - as well as of all time - he has reason to be worried. On the other hand, a single match against him will not eliminate (P)Bisu outright. (P)Bisu can afford to lose to (T)Flash the first game, and win against (T)Sea and (Z)Jaedong. What he cannot afford is to lose to (T)Flash and for (T)Flash to lose the winner's game, forcing him to win against Flash to stay in the MSL.

The first map is Monte Cristo, a new and untested PvT map. Look for (P)Bisu to play strategically hoping for a quick win. Some map features favor Carriers, and if (P)Bisu is honest with his personal assessment of Carrier micro, then he can still take it to late game and win. If he gets the win, then odds are high that he defeats his next opponent and moves on as the first seed. If he doesn't, he still has a good chance of advancing as long as (T)Flash wins his next game.

Not So-Historical Representative

(P)Bisu is Alexander the Great. Having used Phalanxes (DTs) and cavalry (Corsairs) to conquer most of the known world (PvZ), he is one of the greatest generals of history. He revolutionized ancient warfare, and put together one of the largest empires in history. His Hellenic education also made him an honourable warrior (all Protoss are honourable warriors). However, he died at an early age due to hubris (probably too much of a pretty boy). Must be wary of elephants (Tanks).


n.die.Jaedong

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+ Show Spoiler +
Introduction

(Z)Jaedong is Death

The void left by (Z)sAviOr’s downfall led to a civil war. Various Zerg scrambled and clawed their way to the Overmind’s Throne. The resulting carnage saw one being emerge, and to this day he holds in thrall most of his brethren. That being was (Z)Jaedong, the living embodiment of (Z)July’s hyper-aggression and micromanagement, (Z)GGPlay’s late-game management, and the Maestro’s spine-chilling game sense. No Zerg has come close to his death-dealing play. No Zerg has forged such an iron will. The more you push (Z)Jaedong to the edge, the more he can overwhelm you with ee-han timing and insanely reckless all-ins.

The defilement of the Maestro’s legacy requires a cleansing. Thus, a Zerg must rise far above all Zerg before him and seize an immaculate crown. In doing so, this Zerg must exemplify its racial trait: violence. Who better to exhibit this than the Legend-Killer himself? The Tyrant lusts for blood once more. Only absolute victory can sate him. Let the world tremble and fear. Death returns.

Objectives

Finals

Having come so close to matching the Tornado Terran’s title count, (Z)Jaedong is probably the most determined progamer in the MSL. Last season, (T)Flash lost early, and it fell on (Z)Jaedong’s shoulders to chase history and the spot of the Greatest Of All Time. Unfortunately this burden proved too heavy. (Z)sAviOr’s descendant, (Z)Hydra, usurped the Zerg throne in a series that left Lee Jae Dong fans wondering whether time and superior Mutalisk micro - long his sole possession - had finally defeated their champion. His resilience is unquestionable. His desire is unmatched. Nothing short of a Golden Badge will suffice for the greatest Zerg of all time.

Analysis

No group could be worst for (Z)Jaedong.

His first matchup is his easiest. While the map is unfavorable, (Z)Jaedong himself has said that at the pinnacle of Broodwar, imbalance does not dictate the victory. The title of the strongest is taken by those whose skills surpass the imbalance of the maps (hear that, (P)Bisu?). This means that (T)Sea is in for a world of hurt.

All the same, the real threats come right after. Whether he wins or loses, (Z)Jaedong faces the two players who have stood against him toe-to-toe for years and won. (T)Flash needs no introduction. The two have faced each other more than 50 times (including non-standard leagues). (T)Flash is (Z)Jaedong’s eternal rival. When the time comes, their children will probably be the two best Starcraft 3 players in the world, continuing LeeSsang rok. Still, (T)Flash owns the lead, and has recently dominated (Z)Jaedong (in 3 straight finals no less). If you had to bet your life on anyone to defeat (Z)Jaedong in a single game or in series play, (T)Flash is the best option (as Rekrul found out the hard way).

(P)Bisu is the second best option. Imagine a matchup as lopsided as ZvP. Now imagine it flipped on its head. (P)Bisu is 70% LIFETIME against Zerg. The guy is crazy. Even worse for our Zerg hero is the fact that (P)Bisu has stomped (Z)Jaedong the past 2 out of 3 games they played (the loss coming from a Lurker build vs too few cannons and late observers). In fact since June 2009, (Z)Jaedong has only won once in six serious games against (P)Bisu. Moreover, (P)Bisu defeats (Z)Jaedong at his own game – multitask and micro. I am not the only (P)Bisu fan who squealed like a little girl when I watched him micro Zealots against Zerglings on Judgment Day, or even that sexy Corsair micro in a losing effort on Benzene. The Revolutionist was made to fight someone like the Tyrant.

Given this, (Z)Jaedong is like Han Solo: never tell him the odds. His play is sublime. He steps his game up to his peak when he needs to, and can innovate on the spot. I will never forget the TLFE Heir Apparent. (Z)Jaedong learned ZvP DURING A GAME. We also need to consider that he has created a matchup solution for ZvZ that no one can deconstruct or even hope to emulate ((Z)EffOrt was doing fine but I don’t hear people calling Mutalisks effortlisks). There is none more qualified than (Z)Jaedong to change the metagame for Zerg in modern Broodwar. For (P)Bisu and (T)Flash fans, there is one thing to say: Caveat Emptor.

Not So-Historical Representative

(Z)Jaedong is Genghis Kahn. The most fearsome conqueror of Europe and Asia, Temujin never balked when faced with steel-laden Knights (Tanks). One of the most brutal conquerors ever, he used prisoners of war to shield his own troops and massacred entire city populations for resisting him. Nothing was sacred to him but victory. The European princes ((T)Fantasy) and kings ((P)Stork) were fodder for his lightning fast Mongol Horse Archers (Mutalisks). Only time was great enough to defeat the Kahn.


by.Flash

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+ Show Spoiler +

Introduction

(T)Flash is Destiny.

From the time of (T)BoxeR, Terrans have ruled the universe. The Emperor, The Monster Terran, and the Tornado Terran are the first three Bonjwas to have ever existed. It was written on the stars that in the darkest of hours, the Chosen One would be born. The perfect player, endowed with the greatest of the Bonjwas’ gifts. Yet the prophecy did not say he would arrive perfect. The sharpest steel required the hottest fire. And so it was that the child (T)Flash came into the scene a cheeser and ironically under the Storm Zerg’s care. The world forsook him, deriding his “turtle” style and his personal failures. Still he labored, carrying those around him time and time again until his back and wrists would break. The early supernova was burning out.

And it was becoming a black hole that would consume the cosmos. (T)Flash knew. He knew not because of his outstanding mind but because of his great heart. Destiny was no trifling matter to be given him without sacrifice. Like matter, it was neither created nor destroyed. It was to be earned.


Objectives

Finals

(T)Flash is the greatest player of our time. (T)Flash is going to become the greatest player of all time. All that he needs is that one, final title to shatter (T)NaDa’s record. Sure, (T)NaDa has other records, but the most prestigious is his Golden Mouse and Golden Badge combination. No other gamer has that. Not (T)iloveoov. Not (T)BoxeR. Not (Z)sAviOr. (T)Flash needs that Golden Badge. Fans may say that he doesn’t need that to be the GOAT, but it will validate his long years of hard work. It will justify his sweat and tears and bloody fingers. It will affirm his potential as the Ultimate Weapon.

Analysis

Lee Young Ho is as close to perfection as can be. He has no weakness.

Early game, he is the best bunker-rusher of all time along with (T)BoxeR. Bunker rushes require intense micro and the largest balls of all. Sure, 4 pool is riskier, but its purpose is two-fold: (1) to end the game early/get an advantage and (2) mess with your opponent’s mind. Losing a 4/5 pool will still accomplish one of the two. It's essentially a sacrifice with a sure reward in series play. Bunker rushes are tests of willpower. Failure will not necessarily defeat you but set you back, so it’s mostly a question of how committed you are to your strategy and how you will transition given success or failure. It’s even a very questionable move because in the face of greedy builds, the Terran still has the option to simply play for a timing attack which is much safer than a bunker rush. (T)Flash has memorized the handbook of bunker rushing and has even amended its provisions. His other cheeses are artistic masterpieces of micro and innovation, be they BBS or proxies.

Mid game, he is the best timing-pusher of all time. He reads his opponent very well with prescient scans and in-game analysis (worker counting, anyone?). He also has a very solid defensive style that negates all forms of midgame cheese. He gets early turrets to counteract Mutalisk aggression or Reaver harass. He positions his Tanks in graduated clumps so that they protect several areas and at the same time overlap to provide killing power. His Vultures are such a pain to deal with because he’s so good at timing a surround + mine to ensure that not all mines are shot down.

Late game, he is the most durable player. I think the most exemplary games of Flash have involved comebacks from the most massive deficits ((T)Flash v (T)Fantasy MSL game 1, (T)Flash v (T)firebathero Neo Medusa, (T)Flash v (T)Leta OSL, (T)Flash v (T)Mind Proleague 10-11, I could go on and on). He simply does not give up. In late-game battles, he manages to be incredibly cost efficient. At a time when most players are so drained physically and mentally, (T)Flash is so laser-focused he can still target-fire tank clumps and navigate his Dropships to destroy the most important tech buildings.

Overall, (T)Flash has unequalled game sense. He detects things from the smallest details. He understands when to play aggressively and when to play passively. I cannot stress this enough. This is why his anti-fans hate him for either turtling (because it looks like his opponent just keeps sending waves of units to crash against an immovable tank and turret line) or cheesing (because it looks like (T)Flash just walks in his opponent’s nat/expos and simply obliterates him in one fell swoop). This is a result of constant, instinctive thinking. It’s an oxymoron, to be sure, but (T)Flash’s genius is not rational. His mechanical talent can be learned, but his mental talent is the only one of its kind. Is his opponent gunning for an economic lead? Is he going for an all in? One by one, (T)Flash analyzes his opponent’s options and eliminates them one by one, forcing the other player to ride his cadence.

(T)Flash is favored in every single matchup in this group. It may be called the Group of Death, but realistically, (T)Flash can simply look at it as the Group of “Just another day in the Office”.

Not So-Historical Representative

(T)Flash is Napoleon Bonaparte. No one ever dreamed as loftily, nor influenced so many facets of human life – war, politics, law, science, literature, art and culture. From his military genius to his personal charisma; from his political savvy and arrogance; from his rise and fall, Napoleon was the most influential and decisive leader in history. Waterloo is history. (T)Flash the Bonjwa is the present. (T)Flash the GOAT is the future.



Its so funny since there are no Sea hype hahahaha
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ CJ Entus fighting! I am a Leta, Hydra, Mind and (ofcourse) Firebathero fan. (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
April 19 2011 20:57 GMT
#269
Haha I love Sea. He's so friendly with fans, speaks a bit of English, and is a Facebook friend! Unfortunately there's not much to hype He's probably the most consistent player to have never won a Starleague. Doesn't bode well for him in this Group of Death. Take into account his lopsided record against every single one of his opponents... well, you get the idea.

Sea hwaiting! Hahaha
"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
April 19 2011 20:57 GMT
#270
Amazing hype post...couldn't agree with you more when you said JD couldn't have a worse group though Perhaps now will be the time he can deliver on his promises to all his fans!
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
Selith
Profile Joined September 2010
United States238 Posts
April 19 2011 20:57 GMT
#271
I'll laugh if Sea ends up making it through RO32.
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
April 19 2011 20:58 GMT
#272
On April 20 2011 05:54 Deekin[ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2011 05:14 Caladbolg wrote:
Gonna have to help hype this thread. Group of Death is Group of Death. I'm no Ver so pardon the lack of analytical depth. I also hope I'm allowed some exaggerations and a few creative liberties

HYPE HYPE HYPE!

Bisu[shield]

[image loading]

+ Show Spoiler +

Introduction

(P)Bisu is Hope.

Hope for Protoss since the dark ages of the Terran reign. Hope that the dominion of (Z)sAviOr and his ilk over Protoss would cease . (P)Bisu is, after all, the Revolutionist. His is a bloodline not of the Khala and its brightest sons, Tassadar and Artanis ((P)Stork and (P)JangBi), but that of Zeratul the legacy of the Void. His annihilation of the Maestro marked the beginning of the modern era, not just of PvZ but of Broodwar as a whole. He is the First Dragon.

Nevertheless, doubt lingers. The glory of his race has always been fleeting. Despite their vaunted psionic power, the Protoss are a dying race. They were not made to change themselves like the Zerg, to assimilate others for evolution. They were not made to reproduce and survive like the Terran, building ingenious craft for war.

But they were made to endure. And in the midst of darkness and despair, hope shines all the brighter.

Objectives

Ro4-Finals

As the only Golden Badge holder in this group, (P)Bisu is a perennial contender in the MSL. However, the past few years have been unkind to Kim Taek Yong. He has stood in the shadows while his Terran and Zerg peers have taken title after title. Even after monstrous surges in Proleague, he has not tasted individual league success since his Batoo OSL run. The time is ripe. (P)Bisu has revitalized the race, has begun conquering his demons, and is on the warpath. The people (Protoss) sing the song of angry men. It is time for another revolution.

Analysis

(P)Bisu is the current hottest progamer right now (in more ways than one). Having won the Winner's League title for his team by defeating (Z)Jaedong and (T)Flash successively, his momentum is as high as it ever will be. Moreover, this is his best chance to defeat (T)Flash in an individual league. Historically, his PvT series play has shown vulnerability. Specifically he crashed and burned against (T)Fantasy, (T)Iris, and (T)Mind. Since (T)Flash is the best PvTer currently - as well as of all time - he has reason to be worried. On the other hand, a single match against him will not eliminate (P)Bisu outright. (P)Bisu can afford to lose to (T)Flash the first game, and win against (T)Sea and (Z)Jaedong. What he cannot afford is to lose to (T)Flash and for (T)Flash to lose the winner's game, forcing him to win against Flash to stay in the MSL.

The first map is Monte Cristo, a new and untested PvT map. Look for (P)Bisu to play strategically hoping for a quick win. Some map features favor Carriers, and if (P)Bisu is honest with his personal assessment of Carrier micro, then he can still take it to late game and win. If he gets the win, then odds are high that he defeats his next opponent and moves on as the first seed. If he doesn't, he still has a good chance of advancing as long as (T)Flash wins his next game.

Not So-Historical Representative

(P)Bisu is Alexander the Great. Having used Phalanxes (DTs) and cavalry (Corsairs) to conquer most of the known world (PvZ), he is one of the greatest generals of history. He revolutionized ancient warfare, and put together one of the largest empires in history. His Hellenic education also made him an honourable warrior (all Protoss are honourable warriors). However, he died at an early age due to hubris (probably too much of a pretty boy). Must be wary of elephants (Tanks).


n.die.Jaedong

[image loading]

+ Show Spoiler +
Introduction

(Z)Jaedong is Death

The void left by (Z)sAviOr’s downfall led to a civil war. Various Zerg scrambled and clawed their way to the Overmind’s Throne. The resulting carnage saw one being emerge, and to this day he holds in thrall most of his brethren. That being was (Z)Jaedong, the living embodiment of (Z)July’s hyper-aggression and micromanagement, (Z)GGPlay’s late-game management, and the Maestro’s spine-chilling game sense. No Zerg has come close to his death-dealing play. No Zerg has forged such an iron will. The more you push (Z)Jaedong to the edge, the more he can overwhelm you with ee-han timing and insanely reckless all-ins.

The defilement of the Maestro’s legacy requires a cleansing. Thus, a Zerg must rise far above all Zerg before him and seize an immaculate crown. In doing so, this Zerg must exemplify its racial trait: violence. Who better to exhibit this than the Legend-Killer himself? The Tyrant lusts for blood once more. Only absolute victory can sate him. Let the world tremble and fear. Death returns.

Objectives

Finals

Having come so close to matching the Tornado Terran’s title count, (Z)Jaedong is probably the most determined progamer in the MSL. Last season, (T)Flash lost early, and it fell on (Z)Jaedong’s shoulders to chase history and the spot of the Greatest Of All Time. Unfortunately this burden proved too heavy. (Z)sAviOr’s descendant, (Z)Hydra, usurped the Zerg throne in a series that left Lee Jae Dong fans wondering whether time and superior Mutalisk micro - long his sole possession - had finally defeated their champion. His resilience is unquestionable. His desire is unmatched. Nothing short of a Golden Badge will suffice for the greatest Zerg of all time.

Analysis

No group could be worst for (Z)Jaedong.

His first matchup is his easiest. While the map is unfavorable, (Z)Jaedong himself has said that at the pinnacle of Broodwar, imbalance does not dictate the victory. The title of the strongest is taken by those whose skills surpass the imbalance of the maps (hear that, (P)Bisu?). This means that (T)Sea is in for a world of hurt.

All the same, the real threats come right after. Whether he wins or loses, (Z)Jaedong faces the two players who have stood against him toe-to-toe for years and won. (T)Flash needs no introduction. The two have faced each other more than 50 times (including non-standard leagues). (T)Flash is (Z)Jaedong’s eternal rival. When the time comes, their children will probably be the two best Starcraft 3 players in the world, continuing LeeSsang rok. Still, (T)Flash owns the lead, and has recently dominated (Z)Jaedong (in 3 straight finals no less). If you had to bet your life on anyone to defeat (Z)Jaedong in a single game or in series play, (T)Flash is the best option (as Rekrul found out the hard way).

(P)Bisu is the second best option. Imagine a matchup as lopsided as ZvP. Now imagine it flipped on its head. (P)Bisu is 70% LIFETIME against Zerg. The guy is crazy. Even worse for our Zerg hero is the fact that (P)Bisu has stomped (Z)Jaedong the past 2 out of 3 games they played (the loss coming from a Lurker build vs too few cannons and late observers). In fact since June 2009, (Z)Jaedong has only won once in six serious games against (P)Bisu. Moreover, (P)Bisu defeats (Z)Jaedong at his own game – multitask and micro. I am not the only (P)Bisu fan who squealed like a little girl when I watched him micro Zealots against Zerglings on Judgment Day, or even that sexy Corsair micro in a losing effort on Benzene. The Revolutionist was made to fight someone like the Tyrant.

Given this, (Z)Jaedong is like Han Solo: never tell him the odds. His play is sublime. He steps his game up to his peak when he needs to, and can innovate on the spot. I will never forget the TLFE Heir Apparent. (Z)Jaedong learned ZvP DURING A GAME. We also need to consider that he has created a matchup solution for ZvZ that no one can deconstruct or even hope to emulate ((Z)EffOrt was doing fine but I don’t hear people calling Mutalisks effortlisks). There is none more qualified than (Z)Jaedong to change the metagame for Zerg in modern Broodwar. For (P)Bisu and (T)Flash fans, there is one thing to say: Caveat Emptor.

Not So-Historical Representative

(Z)Jaedong is Genghis Kahn. The most fearsome conqueror of Europe and Asia, Temujin never balked when faced with steel-laden Knights (Tanks). One of the most brutal conquerors ever, he used prisoners of war to shield his own troops and massacred entire city populations for resisting him. Nothing was sacred to him but victory. The European princes ((T)Fantasy) and kings ((P)Stork) were fodder for his lightning fast Mongol Horse Archers (Mutalisks). Only time was great enough to defeat the Kahn.


by.Flash

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Introduction

(T)Flash is Destiny.

From the time of (T)BoxeR, Terrans have ruled the universe. The Emperor, The Monster Terran, and the Tornado Terran are the first three Bonjwas to have ever existed. It was written on the stars that in the darkest of hours, the Chosen One would be born. The perfect player, endowed with the greatest of the Bonjwas’ gifts. Yet the prophecy did not say he would arrive perfect. The sharpest steel required the hottest fire. And so it was that the child (T)Flash came into the scene a cheeser and ironically under the Storm Zerg’s care. The world forsook him, deriding his “turtle” style and his personal failures. Still he labored, carrying those around him time and time again until his back and wrists would break. The early supernova was burning out.

And it was becoming a black hole that would consume the cosmos. (T)Flash knew. He knew not because of his outstanding mind but because of his great heart. Destiny was no trifling matter to be given him without sacrifice. Like matter, it was neither created nor destroyed. It was to be earned.


Objectives

Finals

(T)Flash is the greatest player of our time. (T)Flash is going to become the greatest player of all time. All that he needs is that one, final title to shatter (T)NaDa’s record. Sure, (T)NaDa has other records, but the most prestigious is his Golden Mouse and Golden Badge combination. No other gamer has that. Not (T)iloveoov. Not (T)BoxeR. Not (Z)sAviOr. (T)Flash needs that Golden Badge. Fans may say that he doesn’t need that to be the GOAT, but it will validate his long years of hard work. It will justify his sweat and tears and bloody fingers. It will affirm his potential as the Ultimate Weapon.

Analysis

Lee Young Ho is as close to perfection as can be. He has no weakness.

Early game, he is the best bunker-rusher of all time along with (T)BoxeR. Bunker rushes require intense micro and the largest balls of all. Sure, 4 pool is riskier, but its purpose is two-fold: (1) to end the game early/get an advantage and (2) mess with your opponent’s mind. Losing a 4/5 pool will still accomplish one of the two. It's essentially a sacrifice with a sure reward in series play. Bunker rushes are tests of willpower. Failure will not necessarily defeat you but set you back, so it’s mostly a question of how committed you are to your strategy and how you will transition given success or failure. It’s even a very questionable move because in the face of greedy builds, the Terran still has the option to simply play for a timing attack which is much safer than a bunker rush. (T)Flash has memorized the handbook of bunker rushing and has even amended its provisions. His other cheeses are artistic masterpieces of micro and innovation, be they BBS or proxies.

Mid game, he is the best timing-pusher of all time. He reads his opponent very well with prescient scans and in-game analysis (worker counting, anyone?). He also has a very solid defensive style that negates all forms of midgame cheese. He gets early turrets to counteract Mutalisk aggression or Reaver harass. He positions his Tanks in graduated clumps so that they protect several areas and at the same time overlap to provide killing power. His Vultures are such a pain to deal with because he’s so good at timing a surround + mine to ensure that not all mines are shot down.

Late game, he is the most durable player. I think the most exemplary games of Flash have involved comebacks from the most massive deficits ((T)Flash v (T)Fantasy MSL game 1, (T)Flash v (T)firebathero Neo Medusa, (T)Flash v (T)Leta OSL, (T)Flash v (T)Mind Proleague 10-11, I could go on and on). He simply does not give up. In late-game battles, he manages to be incredibly cost efficient. At a time when most players are so drained physically and mentally, (T)Flash is so laser-focused he can still target-fire tank clumps and navigate his Dropships to destroy the most important tech buildings.

Overall, (T)Flash has unequalled game sense. He detects things from the smallest details. He understands when to play aggressively and when to play passively. I cannot stress this enough. This is why his anti-fans hate him for either turtling (because it looks like his opponent just keeps sending waves of units to crash against an immovable tank and turret line) or cheesing (because it looks like (T)Flash just walks in his opponent’s nat/expos and simply obliterates him in one fell swoop). This is a result of constant, instinctive thinking. It’s an oxymoron, to be sure, but (T)Flash’s genius is not rational. His mechanical talent can be learned, but his mental talent is the only one of its kind. Is his opponent gunning for an economic lead? Is he going for an all in? One by one, (T)Flash analyzes his opponent’s options and eliminates them one by one, forcing the other player to ride his cadence.

(T)Flash is favored in every single matchup in this group. It may be called the Group of Death, but realistically, (T)Flash can simply look at it as the Group of “Just another day in the Office”.

Not So-Historical Representative

(T)Flash is Napoleon Bonaparte. No one ever dreamed as loftily, nor influenced so many facets of human life – war, politics, law, science, literature, art and culture. From his military genius to his personal charisma; from his political savvy and arrogance; from his rise and fall, Napoleon was the most influential and decisive leader in history. Waterloo is history. (T)Flash the Bonjwa is the present. (T)Flash the GOAT is the future.



Its so funny since there are no Sea hype hahahaha


Someone make on quick! Was seriously given nerd chills :D
Jaedong :3
maximuspita
Profile Joined April 2010
1093 Posts
April 19 2011 21:12 GMT
#273
This group is going to be unreal. Someone add that hype to the OP.
Korean Air, please save Fox.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
April 19 2011 21:29 GMT
#274
LOL BANNER
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
April 19 2011 21:33 GMT
#275
KIMTAEKSHIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He';s going to go 2-0 easy mang, you guys are wrong
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
April 19 2011 21:34 GMT
#276
It's pretty funny how Flash is 8-0 vs someone with a 58% winrate in the match-up.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
eNtitY~
Profile Joined January 2007
United States1293 Posts
April 19 2011 21:34 GMT
#277
Most insane group ever, how did this happen?
http://www.starcraftdream.com
Deekin[
Profile Joined December 2010
Serbia1713 Posts
April 19 2011 21:52 GMT
#278
Why isnt thursday tomorrow dammit!
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ CJ Entus fighting! I am a Leta, Hydra, Mind and (ofcourse) Firebathero fan. (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
April 19 2011 22:00 GMT
#279
If, and only if, Bisu and Sea advances regardless of what fashion of game play are they gonna use. I expect the haters and non believers to root for these two regardless where your fanboyism lie.

You guys are in for a treat. This is also happened in winner's league where the same people here said that T1 will be no match for Stat, Action, Flash combo.

You DO NOT DISS A PREPARED T1 GAMER. Especially in a BO1 format.
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-19 22:32:17
April 19 2011 22:06 GMT
#280
Sea[shield]

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Introduction

(T)Sea is Perseverance

In all stories of fantasy, danger, and death there are always characters who are heroic without being heroes. In Le Morte d’Arthur, you have Sir Gawain, who will always be the lesser knight when compared with Launcelot, Tristram, or Lamerok. Portrayed as a hot-headed character of sorts who does stupid or sometimes evil things, Gawain was unfairly shown up every single time in the stories by other knights. In the Lord of the Rings, you have Boromir, who was a great warrior and a noble Captain of Gondor, and yet the movies demonize him into some kind of power hungry. In A Song of Ice and Fire, you have Sandor Clegane, a man of violence hated by all of Westeros.

All of this shows what the world wants (T)Sea to do: fall over and die. (T)Sea is that unchanging rock in the middle of the sea (heh) that serves no glamorous purpose. Right now he is being brushed aside in the mad dash to hype a (T)Flash (Z)Jaedong (P)Bisu Broodwar triumvirate. And that’s where he wants to be. The underdog is always fun to root for. His perseverance is the story of our lives. At the end of the day, Sir Gawain remained fiercely loyal to King Arthur to the very end. Boromir redeemed his honor. Sandor Clegane saved Sansa and Arya Stark.

After all, a rock (iceberg) in the middle of the sea sank the Titanic.

Objectives

Survive Group D – Ro8

(T)Sea is well-known to be a Proleague workhorse. The Terran ace of MBC since the beginning of time (no, (T)Light was an ace sniper – there’s a clear difference), (T)Sea has consistently put up win after win after win to help his team. This culminated in a Proleague championship, a Winner’s League silver, and zero individual acclaim. Off the top of my head I’m morally sure that he is statistically the best player never to have reached an individual league final. He is the gatekeepers’ gatekeeper.

This is why fate should not be so cruel to deny him a taste of success. In the MSL Group Selection, he was overheard hoping out loud not to be put in a group of death with the TaekBangLeeSsang. In a dark twist of fate that would make Roald Dahl smirk, that was exactly what happened. Now, Sea is a strong player. He’s a 60% player who excels in all match-ups. However he’s up against the great wall of Korea here, facing the best three players of all three races. Lady luck is out of magic. (T)Sea has to transcend everything he has ever been to make it out of this group alive.

Analysis

(T)Sea has a bad chance to win a single game, but Sea has also been dealt with the best of hands possible in this group.

First, his initial matchup against (Z)Jaedong is on a Terran-favored map. La Mancha is 64% TvZ. Also, his previous victory in the Korea OSL was on Zergliner (although his other recent win on Polaris Rhapsody was only due to (Z)Jaedong’s stubbornness in sticking to Mutas after dissecting (T)Sea’s base with amazing micro). It’s a hard fight, but (T)Sea himself said that Terran is a little imba once you get tanks. Look for a midgame mech transition or a Marine-Tank push against (Z)Jaedong in this game. Late-game is not an option after being destroyed by (Z)Neo.G_Soulkey with Defiler play.

Second, he might not have to play (T)Flash at all. That is his only sure loss (0-8 is such a great head-to-head hahaha). Since (T)Flash is still favored over a red-hot (P)Bisu in his current status as Bonjwa, (T)Sea can lose to (Z)Jaedong, win against (P)Bisu in the latter’s worst matchup, and have a rematch against (Z)Jaedong on Dante’s SE where he has a 100% winrate (in one game). Cross your fingers (T)Sea-fans.

Third, God exists. Somehow, some way, (T)Sea has GOT to break through his mental block vs the S-Class. All his patience and hard work will pay off. He might not be the most talented, but he has done so much for the Starcraft scene (and TL.net) due to his innate friendliness and likeability that he deserves nothing less than to escape from his Starleague curse. (T)Sea is like (T)Flash without that special spark. It’s time to stop wishing for luck and to rely on skill, strategy and instinct. All players can lose on any given day.

Not So-Historical Representative

(T)Sea is Scipio Africanus. The Roman Hannibal was an incredible military commander, defeating Hannibal Barca decisively and saving Rome from its Scourge. However, Hannibal was already severely weakened by war attrition. Furthermore, Scipio was unable to capitalize on his military success because he did not seize the moment, and was defeated and surpassed later on by Julius Caesar. (T)Sea must rewrite the history books to achieve what all men want, but few ever do.


"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
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