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krzych113
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United Kingdom547 Posts
April 21 2011 12:11 GMT
#2521
This carrier decision was actually very good against Flash, cause in that way Flash probably got to take a risk and do an attack, in such a high stake game it might have worked. It was REALLY HIGH STAKE GAME because it was actually the easiest match to win for Flash, beside the game with Sea, which'd still not considered to win even though Flash is like 8-0 with Sea ? right ?
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
April 21 2011 12:11 GMT
#2522
I wonder what mindgames JD and Flash will have in store for us today. I will be very surprised if it's a completely standard game.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
April 21 2011 12:11 GMT
#2523
On April 21 2011 21:08 jpak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2011 21:07 Musou wrote:
On April 21 2011 21:06 skinnyrl wrote:
flash a genius
Ok let me tell you what the genius had in mind. He attacked at several places basically making sure bisu isnt rly benefiting from this base. And here comes the genius thing. He knew bisu didnt have many minerals. So he just contained him and attacked the interceptors. The turrets also dealt alot of damage to the interceptors + that contain was baiscally gg. Also that sim city from flash was so smart to delay the counter attack bisu needed to because he was forced to. JUST WOW

Flash always does that against carriers. He almost never tries to kill the actual carriers themselves. He just starves out the Protoss by taking out all their expos within a few seconds of each other and autoattacking interceptors with goliaths.


He's just exploiting the fundamental weakness of carriers: economy. Carriers take a LOT of resources to maintain, and flash is very good at putting the Carriers in uncomfortable positions.

Not to mention Carriers are only effective in large numbers, you can't split the carriers into groups, and flash was hitting more than 2 places.
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
Ayush_SCtoss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
India3051 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-21 12:11:55
April 21 2011 12:11 GMT
#2524
Holy shit I have never seen such Queen usage. o.O (yeah I don't watch BW that often so I probably have missed it happening a lot..)
End my suffering
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
April 21 2011 12:11 GMT
#2525
On April 21 2011 21:10 chongu wrote:
BW TRIVIA:

When was the last time Flash and Jaedong faced off in an MSL Ro32? and Who won?

Answer:+ Show Spoiler +
lost saga. Flash


Well its time to even the score then huh.
Jaedong :3
Soulforged
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Latvia979 Posts
April 21 2011 12:11 GMT
#2526
On April 21 2011 21:06 skinnyrl wrote:
flash a genius
Ok let me tell you what the genius had in mind. He attacked at several places basically making sure bisu isnt rly benefiting from this base. And here comes the genius thing. He knew bisu didnt have many minerals. So he just contained him and attacked the interceptors. The turrets also dealt alot of damage to the interceptors + that contain was baiscally gg. Also that sim city from flash was so smart to delay the counter attack bisu needed to because he was forced to. JUST WOW

But...there's not really anything genious about it? Push with unstopabble force, delay the counter as much as possible with walls/mines, once protoss is committed to counter separate army to two places at once to do damage while scanning any DTs. All that's left is carriers. Mass goliath with supeior economy and upgrades.
That didn't look special at all. Bisu just threw away his lead by going carriers, having to fight the main battle before they were out in numbers and losing most his army there. Arbiters and 16 gates->recall would be very hard to stop for Flash in that situation, even with the wtf-passage in the middle(made for terran death ball)
fallingdream
Profile Joined December 2004
Romania452 Posts
April 21 2011 12:11 GMT
#2527
On April 21 2011 21:06 Elefanto wrote:
That map was designed for flash.

turtle into more turtle into more turtle into push with 2-2 mech D:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


Yes, clearly you have to be on the offensive after a failed cheese rax that puts you in stone age advantage wise. huehuheuheuhue.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
April 21 2011 12:11 GMT
#2528
On April 21 2011 21:08 whiterabb1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2011 21:05 GolemMadness wrote:
Failed cheese into GOD turtle


Did you see how many depots + turrets were blocking the nat?
More Bisu failed than Flash win


Yeah, because after a failed cheese he should just play aggressively with an inferior economy and lose. That makes sense.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
TyrantPotato
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1541 Posts
April 21 2011 12:11 GMT
#2529
On April 21 2011 21:11 Holgerius wrote:
I wonder what mindgames JD and Flash will have in store for us today. I will be very surprised if it's a completely standard game.


jaedong will 4 pool.... with 12 drones !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Forever ZeNEX.
whiterabb1t
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium681 Posts
April 21 2011 12:11 GMT
#2530
NOW:

JD > Flash
Bisu > Sea
Bisu > Flash (sweet revenge)
GeLaar
Profile Joined January 2003
2421 Posts
April 21 2011 12:11 GMT
#2531
On April 21 2011 21:10 Creationism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2011 21:06 Elefanto wrote:
That map was designed for flash.

turtle into more turtle into more turtle into push with 2-2 mech D:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

This was the second pvt on that map. Bisu simply chose not to pressure or harass at all because he thought he had advantage.
And did you see how he built his structures? Flash scanned TWICE at his starport, and he put his VF right THERE. When he tried to push break he lost his SHUTTLE which possibly had 4 templars in them.

Bisu botched that game, don't whine about Flash's amazing play.


Yup, I guess you were expecting to have a really good laugh at Bisu running his army up fortified ramps to "do pressure"...
Brood War is alive and well.
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
April 21 2011 12:11 GMT
#2532
On April 21 2011 21:09 jpak wrote:
I have to say this again... FANTASY'S SOULKEY'S BITCH!!!!

Quoted for truth
"I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully" -GWB ||
Hier
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
2391 Posts
April 21 2011 12:12 GMT
#2533
I actually think carriers work really well on Monte Cristo.
Though I think Bisu's carrier timing was off.
"But on a more serious note..." -everyone on this forum at some point.
jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
April 21 2011 12:12 GMT
#2534
On April 21 2011 21:10 whiterabb1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2011 21:09 jpak wrote:
I have to say this again... FANTASY'S SOULKEY'S BITCH!!!!


wtf... that was a few days ago!


Everytime MSL Rewind shows those games, it just comes out of me!! PLEASE FORGIVE ME!!!
CJ Entusman #50! #1 클템 fan TL!
Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
April 21 2011 12:12 GMT
#2535
JD's gonna 4 pool Flash! I'm calling it!
sashkata
Profile Joined September 2008
Bulgaria3241 Posts
April 21 2011 12:12 GMT
#2536
Was that Zero with the queens or is it a new trend?
TheOnly92
Profile Joined September 2010
Malaysia804 Posts
April 21 2011 12:12 GMT
#2537
On April 21 2011 21:11 Ayush_SCtoss wrote:
Holy shit I have never seen such Queen usage. o.O (yeah I don't watch BW that often so I probably have missed it happening a lot..)


Look at Group F's games, Fantasy's particularly
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
April 21 2011 12:12 GMT
#2538
something that contriubted to Bisu's loss was his overly safe play. For instance, he went 3gate before third, which isn't really good for anything other than surviving any early-midgame allin. He also got obs speed (wtf), and didn't delay Flash's third as much as he could've. Come the time of the push, Flash used his vultures to force bad storms and snipe HT, and also ended up sniping the shuttle later that probably had HT..

Bisu not taking enough risks widened the timing window for Flash to push, and Flash seized it perfectly. Bisu might as well have gone 4gate before third and bust Flash outright, or just take a very small risk and take his third at 2 gates..
Writerptrk
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
April 21 2011 12:12 GMT
#2539
On April 21 2011 21:12 sashkata wrote:
Was that Zero with the queens or is it a new trend?

soulkey dude
FTD
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5609 Posts
April 21 2011 12:12 GMT
#2540
On April 21 2011 21:08 qrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2011 21:02 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
Flash is Michelangelo.
Genius &
Turtle
Haha, that's brilliant.

Hahaha that's awesome.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
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