SK's 2nd hatchery is placed at 7 nat, SK's nat is getting planted aswell Nex is finished for M18M at his nat Probe might scout 7nat, the probe spots 7nat! Lair morphing
Ahh popup From right before, looked like M18M managed to slip in another probe into SK's main Stargate up as we return Spire just planted now 2nd Stargate put down 1 zealot to harrass 7nat and 1 at nat, both together had 4 or 5 kills
Black screen D= Scourge in play, forces M18M to return his sairs to his base Citadel up +1 air weaps for the sairs SK has a Den up, and 7 main has a hatchery completed That makes.. 6 or 7 hatcherys to 6 gates
Core spinning, I'm assuming range this time. M18M pushing out with zealgoon Lurker aspect researched, and about 4 are morphing Mainly goons are pressing SK's frontdoor M18M can snipe a hatchery! ONE OF THEM IS GOING DOWN IT DOWN! He loses a good portion of his mainly goon force
7 gates Mineral only by M18M getting taken Still only a mainly goon force around middle of the map Archives completed Robo finished... now Goons poking by the bridges by SK's nat
Hive morphing! DT DROP in the main of SK 3 DT's with +1 weap 8 drones and 4 hydras for a trade off of 3 DT's Attack by M18M at 7 nat killing off alot of sunkens LURKERS GETTING STUCK BEHIND THE GOONS ON THE BRIDGE STORM STORM STORM Cracklings I believe are unleashed M18M's force gets drived back, losing alot
Cracklings harrasing 3 where M18M is looking to expo Zealot drop in SK's main! Looks like they only got a few cracklings Shuttle coming up from behind the nat 12 has a nex warping in! About 8 cracklings are attafcking it but 5 zealots are trying to kill them Reaver out now; M18M's mineral only went up well. He's looking to attack 7 nat again? No he falls back seeing the cracklings attack in the mineral only, storm are reavers kill them off, but not before losing the cannons! Tons of sunkens, and defilers in play now! Bunch of crakclings focusing the nex! NEXUS IS DOWN!!
12 goes up for M18M now. Oh Gawd those sunkens PLAGUE ON SHUTTLE AND REAVER, and some goons 5 hatcherys at 7 for SK, dunno about the main. Mineral only has a hatchery morphing in +3 +2 crackling +3 +1 hydra for SK Defiler snipe! M18M trying to get 3 up again, forced to cancel nex, because of cracklings Mineral only hatch, at his main is up, mineral only at 7 has one morphing in aswell
12 and 3 under attack by cracklings and hydralurk!! 12 survivies, and 3 is trying to get raised again Nexus at about half health at 12 Cracklings trying to just focus nex at 12 get owned by running into archons PLAGUE on the force that is trying to attack SK's main mineral only CRACKLINGS SUROUND MOST OF THE FORCE 1 goon and 1 HT get away
3 under attack yet again, Two reavers under the swarm, are microed epicly saving them 31 kills one one, 15 on the other They both go down, HT at 3 with no energy to storm. Slow reaver crawling towards 3, but gets intervepted. gg by M18M
Btw: Is the poll fine that way? I'm not too sure about the question, is it too long or too formal? "Rate set x!" or "Quality of set x?" are alternatives in case they fit better.
On March 31 2011 17:44 Lucumo wrote: Btw: Is the poll fine that way? I'm not too sure about the question, is it too long or too formal? "Rate set x!" or "Quality of set x?" are alternatives in case they fit better.
your polls are great man theyre way better than the biased/nonexistant/spoiling recommendations of most LR thread OP's
First tank out now Robo about half way done now 4 goons outside of the nat seige mode pushes them abck Pure expoing again to his mineral only off 1 gate?
Pure teching hardcore, Arbiter Tribunal already warping in. Leta starts another CC at his main. Three more Gateways for Protoss, Terran moves out to set a position in front of his natural.
And I'm back, who missed me? Anways, 3 base arbiter Looks like Leta doesn't have his mineral only though? Oh CC building in base to get floated over Leta's moving out! Stargate flashing, first one will be out in a bit 6 oclock expo trying to get warped in for Pure, 7-8 gate for him Vessel in play, arbiter too The nexus at 6 was cancelled
This is many, many Gatewys for Pure, might be troublesome for Leta to hold off probable Recall. However, Vultures did a good job of denying expo at 6; Pure eventually makes it at 3 o'clock.
3 oclock getting setup at a 4th for Pure now. Looks like Pure's trying to get an expo up at 1, but that gets denied Nex planted again at 6, and... cancelled? Arbiter coming around by 12 to try and recall, gets spotted Recall into the base! Leta loses the Starport and add on, as well as a bunch of depots Pure's pushing the mineral only, but pulls abck CC tried to plant at 12 2 depots burned down ... 6 and 1 are setup now for Pure 6 base to 3 bases mining
Leta loses about 6 Depots, Starport and Science Facility before Recall finally gets mopped up. Panicky Turrets being made at low ground to stop another Recall attempts.
12 is up and running for Leta now +2 ground weaps for Pure 0-0 for Leta STASIS on some tanks at 12 Leta's losing a ton of scvs to zealots and tank splash 1 oclock attempt harass by Leta 7 oclock nex is going up, alot of vultures are going to deny it
is it just me or the stream is a bit laggy dont get me wrong i'm grateful for the stream but .... its more of a picture to picture than a stream for me is anyone else having this problem or just me?
Uhm a bit of buffer into a ton of vultures harassing 1 nat DT's in play for Pure now Gols and tanks coming in to take out 1 Buffer.. into black screen Does anyone know what upgrades Leta's at?
Leta pays big price for not making Turrets at his 4th; he answers with Vulture harass but Pure already has a base running at 1 o'clock. Protoss now has to defend a huge mech push towards top-right corner.
Looks like the map is going to be split in a half with Leta at top and Pure at the bottom. However, Terran assembled crazy number of Tanks and looks like he is ahead.
1's getting shelled, and gets taken down 7 being replanted 2 forges spining 7 nat and min only getting setup Leta's taking 1nat, and soon 1 2nd cybernetics core getting put up FLEET BEACON Its carrier time?
a bunch of vultures kill the nexus at bottom left nat probe massacre at bottom left minonly meanwhile 12 and top right nat getting attacked jangbi-esque storms
+1 + 2 for Leta? Leta gets a ton of vultures into 7nat, taking down the nexus Pure attacking 1 7 mineral only coming under fire HUGE STORMS AT 12 7 min only nex gets taken down CC is saved by lift 6 nex is going to get taken down!! Carriers starting to get pumped? Thats a ton of vultures, looking to finish off 7 and the 5 gates thatt are there The rest of the army is coming to help finish the job
Pure lost two Nexuses to Vultures, but in the meantime, he managed to take out both 1 and 12 o'clock. LOL, third Nexus dies to Fragmentation Grenades. And another Recall, this time at 3 o'clock.
9 oclock was Leta's? Well its under attack from zealgoon 7 is going down, along with a ton of HT fresh out of the gates 1 main is back in Pure's hands Aribter coming around at 7, statis on all 3 vessels Nexus going down at 7 ANOTHER ATTACK ON 12 HUGE STORM CC forced to lift Mineral only looks almost mined out CC gets sniped! 2-0-3 for Pure 1-3 for Leta? 3 is coming under attack, army matching from the main is coming to try and stop the push
7 o'clock rests in pieces, but so does Leta's 12 o'clock. Meanwhile Pure managed to rebuild 1 o'clock. Pure looks better in terms of economy but Leta has slightly bigger army.
On March 31 2011 18:13 okum wrote: Vultures... hard counter to protoss.
Yeah. Considering that their 20 damage is 100% against all protoss units' shield. Leta is the new terrorist. Even Fantasy can't kill that many nexi with only vultures.
3 getting taken out, pure is down to 6 and top right main meanwhile leta only mining from his minonly? which is about to get recalled? minonly mined out, CC floating to 12 but there's an arbiter recall CC might go down and that wouldn't be GG because he still has his minonly CC but this is bad
Pylong wall at 3 is coming down, going to lose all probes and buildings Leta has to take out 1 again ARBITER COMING AROUND FOR ANOTHER RECALL AT 12? Mineral only about to be mined out RECALL AT 12 CC IS GOING TO GET SNIPED... MOVE IT LETA MOVE IT CC GETS SNIPED 1 is going to go down Small toss force at 12 PURE vultures coming down to 12 again, but this time Pure's prepared for it
12 is finally getting re build 7 mineral only getting setup again ARBITERS COMING AGAIN AT 12 Stasis one vessel, emp gets an arbiter No carriers? Why the dual Core and fleet beacon? o.o 7 getting setup again, as is 1. GO GET IT LETA
Neither side is really able to go past their three bases without losing tons of workers and their main mining facilities. Pure, however, seems to have more cash stockpiled and now uses it to partially remake his army. Map control in Protoss hands now.
recall at 12 storms kill a bunch of scvs but leta is able to clean up the army leta attacking bottom left in response, this ought to be the game right here a lot of tanks on the high ground
Nice stasis saving the arbiter, catches gols and a vessel Leta has to do something about 1 and 7 or hes done for Why can't I play PvT like Pure? D= Arbiter coming around EMP stasis trade Pure looks like he isn't bothering with 3 again RECALL INTO THE BACK OF 12 AGAIN DEAR GOD LETA Leta's army pushing out down towards 7-6 oclock ish
7 min only goes down, GO GET SEVEN MAIN GO DAMN IT ONE WHILE YOUR AT IT 6 is getting taken down, 7 coming next RECALL AT TWELVE FOR THE HUNDRETH TIME THIS GAME 7 is done for, as is 6 Force at 12 still not mopped up, and 1 is still mining But bottom left is taken care of
Once upon a time there lived an unhappy young StarCraft player. His confidence has been failing him and most of his fans have betrayed him. All his hard practice and occasional strokes of brilliance was for naught as he continued to slump. And boy, it was a slump like no one have ever seen before. But it was not always like this you see. There was a time, even before this time, where this even younger StarCraft player lived a happy life of a StarCraft player. He was recognized and respected by all other fellow StarCraft players, while building a prominent fanbase in process. Unfortunately, those times were long and forgotten as the time this story takes place is quite different for our hero. In these times, our protagonist was hitting the rock bottom and had no one to lean on, to the point where thoughts of quitting became like only realistic option. But as in any fairy tale, there's no place for realism and this dedicated StarCraft player kept working harder than ever before with burning fire in him wishing to achieve greatness.
I'm pretty sure you all know the immortal Cinderella story which your parents told you as a bedtime story to assure you that every fairy tale has a happy ending. JangBi's story is not much different than original Cinderella story as I'm sure it's already being told by Korean parents to their children, because let's face it, JangBi storms are much more epic than misplaced girl shoes. While undoubtedly quite a few of you would tear up while reading the adventures of Cinderella, I'm pretty sure it can't be compared to all the nerd tears shed at this OSL finals.
From now on, this kid will go to sleep while hearing the real Cinderella story.
In sports jargon, Cinderella Story refers to a team or a player who advances much further in a tournament than anticipated. If anyone deserves to have his Cinderella story told in the world of StarCraft, it should definitely be JangBi. A little trip down to a memory lane is in order to show you why exactly this is a perfect example of a Cinderella story. It all started in late 2008 when JangBi reached three Starleague finals in just 5 months, receiving silver medal in each. Even though he didn't win any gold medals during this prominent time, he still holds the highest ELO peak in PvT matchup and was part of the infamous Six Dragons group.
After getting his third silver medal in March, 2009 something snapped in JangBi's mind. I guess not everyone can be a part of the Kong line where they can continuously put out good performances while acquiring one silver medal after another. Some players apparently have a limit on the amount of silver medals they can take, and for JangBi that limit is three. Players go into the slump all the time, but JangBi's slump could be called one of the worst in StarCraft history. To showcase you how exactly that third silver medal was a breaking point for JangBi, let's take a look at his record from that point in time.
From the beginning of first MSL where JangBi took silver medal to the end of his third silver medal (span of six months), JangBi had a following record: 09/18/2008 - 03/21/2009 All - 56 wins - 24 losses (70.00%) PvP - 18 wins - 8 losses (69.23%) PvT - 22 wins - 5 losses (81.48%) PvZ - 16 wins - 11 losses (59.26%)
Now let's take a look at his record for the rest of that year after his last MSL finals (a span of nine months): 03/22/2009 - 01/01/2010 All - 27 wins - 31 losses (46.55%) PvP - 9 wins - 10 losses (47.37%) PvT - 9 wins - 8 losses (52.94%) PvZ - 9 wins - 13 losses (40.91%)
From 70% winning rate to a 46% winning rate in just a couple of months, that's got to be some kind of a record. Things didn't get better for JangBi throughout the whole 2010 as his winning percentage was 45.71% for that year. This was the particularly hard time for JangBi as a StarCraft player, because a lot of the so-called fans that he earned with his strong play during the Six Dragons era have turned on him and he quickly became a target for ridiculing by Korean netizens. I won't lie, I haven't really been a huge JangBi fan myself during his era of dominance and when he was slumping he was a "safe" choice for my Fantasy Proleague anti team. I haven't really put myself in his position and thought what was he going through while having poor results in his games. In April this year, JangBi gave an in-depth interview where he brought up a lot of emotions he went through while being in his slump. At some point in the interview, he says this:
I still remember when I lost to just zerglings in a game and my coach said “if your going to be like that, then let’s stop”. If I took that comment in negatively, I really would have gone home but I took it in as a positive thing and I worked hard, which is why I think I could have a “godly” period at one point.
I think none of us knew just how much those words would be prophesying because we were busy wiping tears of our cheeks reading just how close JangBi was to retiring. And just like a phoenix rising from the ashes, right about the time after that interview, JangBi started performing well yet again in Proleague and then went on to do an unimaginable and win a hard earned gold medal in the Jin Air OSL finals. JangBi's road to OSL finals wasn't exactly made of rose petals and we'll talk about that in a bit, but first a short intermission.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3IbwjeCx6U
It's impossible to do an article on JangBi and not link his trademark video. Enjoy.
JangBi had an extremely shaky performance in the early phase of this OSL. Even though he won his group 2-0 in Ro24 and showed strokes of his old brilliance, Ro16 is where the things got messy. He started his group with a very disappointing 0-2 record and at the very last game managing to grab a very important win against BaBy. As fate would have it, another two players went with a 1-2 record in his group, forcing a tie breakers between the three of them. Despite being at the brink of the elimination, JangBi miraculously beats both of his opponents in the tie breakers, qualifies for the Ro8 and effectively remains as the last Protoss hope in this OSL.
This was the part of the tournament where people started bringing Legend of the Fall into the discussion and frankly, I was so excited to see if it would come true yet again. After barely squeezing through his group, JangBi had to pass the hardest test for any StarCraft player. He had to play against Flash. Yes, THE Flash! I don't think there's a greater test of your skills as a StarCraft player, than to play against the Ultimate Weapon. After losing his first game in the Bo3 against the Flash, no one in their right mind thought JangBi could defeat Flash two games consecutively few days later. And yet, the stars must have aligned perfectly or a fairy granted JangBi his wish as he did just that. He won against the motherfucking Flash 2-1 after being down 0-1. Incredible!
Winning against Flash apparently gives you a giant boost to your confidence as in semi-finals, JangBi simply obliterated his opponent n.Die_soO 3-0, in PvZ no less, which is considered JangBi's "weak" matchup. After watching JangBi's beautiful play in semi-finals, everyone knew, JangBi's here to win this OSL. Call it the Legend of the Fall, call it fate, call it I'm-sick-of-silver-medals, call it whatever the fuck you want, but everyone knew that JangBi WILL win this OSL. And he did. And it was beautiful. People cried for fuck's sake!
FUCK YEAH!!!
There's a lot of things that made this finals extremely emotional and for the lack of a better word, epic. From the history, atmosphere, amazing games, legends, everything was put together to provide us fans, with a perfect OSL finals that will be remembered for many days to come. One thing I didn't put a lot of emphasis on in this article is, how much exactly the games in this finals were good. From the first to the last game, everyone was sitting on the edge of their seat, cheering for their favorite player. It has also been reported on the Korean forums, that the amazing show which JangBi and Fantasy gave us in this finals raised interest of some of the new sponsors. You should all learn from JangBi and Fantasy how NOT to hurt ESPORTS!
But certainly the most amazing aspect of this tournament was JangBi's fairy tale run where he told his very own, Cinderella Story.
OSL Legacy
by riptide
It's December 2007, and I'm hurrying across campus. My classes have just finished for the morning, and I'm making a bee line to the computer lab so I can load up the TL LR thread and see if my Zerg hero had beaten Upmagic. He had. It was the 7th of December 2007, and Lee Jaedong was in a Starleague finals.
I was ecstatic. Arriving on Team Liquid after 3/3, I began my journey as a Broodwar fan in a world where the swarm had fallen. Yet, in July, the very month that I signed up for a TL account, rumours began to circulate. Having bagged a 2nd place finish at the July 2007 StarChallenge S1, a young upstart Zerg was making headway in Korea. Qualifying for the OSL, he went on to bag first place at the 2007 Seoul International e-Sports Festival.
Arguably the greatest OSL intro moving picture of all time.
Many months later, on a cool December evening here in the subcontinent, I watched the VODs, Yakii be praised, as my hero walked the Royal Road. A small part of me still believes I willed it into happening. I wanted that story to be written. Jaedong was meant to walk the royal road, and with every moment of every game in that Starleague, I believed.
Everyone has a defining moment in their life as a fan of this great game, and for me, this was it. I had spent months reading about the exploits of Boxer and oov, the dominance of Nada and Savior, and now, for the first time, here I was seeing it first hand.
Lee Jaedong, a hero of our times.
A few days later, Hot_Bid published Heir Apparent, and my fate was sealed. I knew I wanted to write for TL. I've been here for nearly half a decade now, and though I've read and written through many, many tournaments, there is always something I come back to. The OSL. The OnGameNet Starleague, to me, is not just the most prestigious ESPORTS competition in the world.
The OSL is Broodwar.
The OSL is the cold clanking of a sieging tank, the shrill squeal of the zergling and the immortal cry of the zealot. The OSL is Boxer in Coca Cola. Nada in Panasonic and July in Gilette. It is the tears shed at EVER 2004, the bitter disappointment of So1 and the the single jewel in the crown of a King at Shinhan 3. The OSL is every alarm clock you have set so you wouldn't miss a stream. The OSL is every post you have made, every thread you have read, every translation you have pored over. The OSL is every silent prayer you have uttered as your hero took to the booth.
The OSL is about a story, told and retold, from mensrea and Waxangel, down the ages, passed on from generation to generation of Broodwar fan. The OSL is the story of you, the story of me, the story of Team Liquid.
Most of you reading this piece have seen hundreds, if not thousands of games. You have seen players rise and fall and watched strategies shift and times change. Yet, all of you have a few special moments, a handful of memories that you carry with you, some of them written out in 240p from a time before HD, some of them jotted down in long forgotten LR threads.
And sometimes, if you're really, really lucky, on a starry night in Seoul, you will get to add to those memories, and for a moment, a minute, a second, as psi storms fill the sky and a zealot drops from a shuttle to accomplish the impossible, the unthinkable, you will be filled with the awe and wonder what you felt when you first found this beautiful game.
For when you distil its essence, the OSL is just that - a decade long story.
pure expanding to top right nat CC landed at 9 vultures attacking top right; NO CANNONS THERE but some units to deal with it i'm not sure if leta has any scanners left leta trying to take out pure's army but pure recalls it to 9
EMP on an arbiter by Leta's front door Does Leta even know about 1 oclock? Pure pushing the "mineral" only 9, mining my Leta VULTURES SPOT 1 OH THE SUPPLY DEPOTS AT THE MINERAL ONLY ARE GOING DOWN FP view of Pure, he recalls 9, forces an scv pull and CC lift CC IS GOING TO GET SNIPED
Correction: I honestly don't know who is ahead here since Pure managed to throw away bases at 7 o'clock and now Leta turns back to defensive mode. Wow, Protoss makes Recall-after-Recall!
The question is, does Leta have any more scvs? 1 oclock going to get wiped up Pure looks like hes going to press the front door of Leta, or an epic recall HES MARCHING RIGHT INTO THE MAIN, HURRY UP WITH KILLING 1 LETA Nat is down, factories are under attack DONT GET ELIMINATED
OMGAWD DONT GET ELIMENATED LETA IF THOSE VESSELS GO DOWN NO DETECTION Buffer, into... stand off in the middle of the map Arbiter compliments the army One factory made it to the army Pure can't decide what he wants to attack EMP ON ALL THE HT NO STORMS FOR YOU PURE
This game is nuts! Pure takes out Leta's main, loses his own at 1 o'clock. Neither side is mining, they might not have a single worker left. Why Leta isn't attacking bottom-right corner?
Two vultures get into the nat, doesn't want to risk them to the cannons, loses one to a cannon at the min only!! I think Leta has one gol for AA Vultures finally going to kill that one zealot chopping away at his base STAND OFF SEIGE BY PURES ARMY PURE MANAGED TO GET BACK COME ON LETA YES EMP ON THE ARB
Pure distance mining, does Leta have a CC left over? I don't think so LETA GET THOSE PROBES NOOO LETA GET THEM Girl is unamused by this game Pure has those minerals LETA HAS A SCV, LETA HAS A SCV! Another EMP on the arb
I think Leta lost his chance, could have gone for a full base-trade mode and float out whatever he could from his main. Now it seems too late, but big kudos for trying.
Pure's army moving around the back , coming back around? o.o Kills off a depot, looks like he wants to destory the left over main A ZEALOT HAS BEEN PRODUCED Leta keep that Ebay, Fact, and Rax alive Tanks shelling the nat OH NO THE RAX NO LETA THE RAX D= Still has the Ebay and Fact EBAY IS TAKING HITS
4 DEPOTS LEFT IN THE BASE, AND A NINJA STARPORT AT 12 YES LETA SO BALLER Are the commintators talking about scouts? NO ZEALOT TRADES WITH A TANK NOOO D= Good God, this game. OMGAWD I JUST REALIZED THERES STILL A GATE AT 1
EMP stasis trade LETA WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THAT STARPORT?!? ...Is Leta trying to eminate the -.- CJ FACE?! Nvm FINISH THIS OH NO OH NO LETA WHAT ARE YOU DOING THE ASSIMILATOR SPOTTED THE STARPORT T>T ITS BURNING WHY LETA WHY HIDING IT WOULD'VE BEEN BETTER
On March 31 2011 18:40 tenacity wrote: he could actually statis the goliath and kill the vessels with the arbiters. they are on very low hp. then move in with cloaked units -> GG T.T
That too but is Pure seriously that dense. He has an observer he can't not know what Leta has.
All pure has to do is attack the goliath with arbiters. If they can kill it (and they can, i suspect), then he has it pretty easily.... as there is only that anti-air. Had he realized this 5 minutes ago he couldv'e won.
It's +1 air attack arbiters vs 2 armor goliath that may not even be full hp... and they can just stasis it and fly out over and over.
Kespa ref, tell Pure that Leta only has one thing that can hit air.
On March 31 2011 18:43 okum wrote: Pure would have won easily had he just attacked Leta's remaining units while they were in the field... the stupid, it hurts.
He's probably one of the densest protoss players around. He's not bad but dumb.
Leta should've learned from Canata, build depots all over the map EPIC GOL HIDE Oh my Gawd, I need to sleep. But I want to see this game through T>T Arbiter... Ob getting shot at by the gol Recall? Or just stasis to run up the ramp HT COMING IN FIRST OH MY STORM OVER THE EDGE TAKES TWO TANKS
TANK MANAGES TO HIT A HT ARBITER DODGES THREE EMPS!?!?! ARBITER STASIS BOTH VESSELS ARBITER GOES DOWN ARBITER GOES DOWN HERO ELEVEN KILL GOL LETA LOOKING HAPPY
lol. kespa refs getting impatient. I think all Leta needs to do is unseige and a-move basically. With a D-matrix or two, he should be able to roll over Pure's remaining forces.
Leta should use one of remaining buildings as a mobile shield in front of the Tanks, then slowly claw towards 1 o'clock and kill last remaining buildings. That being said, I don't believe it 'll happen.
-.- I need to sleep, can we just say Pure fucked up even worse, and Leta wins and so does my LB? MIC COMES OUT I DON"T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING SOMEONE GO GO GO
I don't think he's an idiot - he doesn't have the benefit of complete information Pure's army could be too big for all he knows edit: or he could be slowrolling an arbiter
On March 31 2011 18:52 Crunchums wrote: I don't think he's an idiot - he doesn't have the benefit of complete information Pure's army could be too big for all he knows edit: or he could be slowrolling an arbiter
not letas fault...he has no idea how big pures army is and whether there are arbiters left hes not gonna risk losing the game just so he doesnt have to draw
i mean yeah i think leta's position was winning there but i don't think he's an idiot for taking the draw pure's position was probably winning too before he went and fucked up everything ever
Its in time of stress that you see how weak people's game sense really is. Pure has none, and Leta isn't smart enough to try d--matrix science vessel to check out what's happening.
I'm still confused as to why Pure didn't shoot the gol with his arb and when the arb got low on shields just fly away and recharge. Then after the gol dies Leta would have no anti air?
On March 31 2011 18:55 G3CKO wrote: well to be fair leta did not how how many dragoons there are left and how many arbiters there are left so he played it safe and accepted I guess
also, high templar, plus the fact that his tanks are likely highly damaged...
Wait, was there any Arbiter left? If no, Leta could even risk to lose all his army and still draw. If yes, his decision to accept the draw was reasonable.
Anyway, in that position, it looked like Leta couldn't afford to move his Tanks to open ground to the centre (lol, but what if he tried to send couple Tanks around the map edge and killed last buildings before Pure could fall back to defend them? This would be the greatest ending ever.)
On March 31 2011 18:57 ii.blitzkrieg wrote: I'm still confused as to why Pure didn't shoot the gol with his arb and when the arb got low on shields just fly away and recharge. Then after the gol dies Leta would have no anti air?
Because Pure is one of the dumbest protoss players around. He can be a very good player but he's never ingenious.
On March 31 2011 18:57 ii.blitzkrieg wrote: I'm still confused as to why Pure didn't shoot the gol with his arb and when the arb got low on shields just fly away and recharge. Then after the gol dies Leta would have no anti air?
On March 31 2011 18:57 ii.blitzkrieg wrote: I'm still confused as to why Pure didn't shoot the gol with his arb and when the arb got low on shields just fly away and recharge. Then after the gol dies Leta would have no anti air?
i don't think an arbiter is fast enough to hit a goliath and run away like that without losing hp
the only thing Pure had to deal with was 1 Goliath. If he had found a way to Stasis it, he would have won just by picking off the tanks one by one. Why in the world would he Stasis both Vessels for? What does that accomplish if he wasn't going to rush with his units?
The Goliath hit his observer twice, he knew it was there. Picking off the tanks one by one with an Arbiter is safer then trying to rush in with the entire army + Arbiter if he knew Leta had 2 Vessels.
On March 31 2011 18:58 Seraphic wrote: the only thing Pure had to deal with was 1 Goliath. If he had found a way to Stasis it, he would have won just by picking off the tanks one by one. Why in the world would he Stasis both Vessels for? What does that accomplish if he wasn't going to rush with his units?
The Goliath hit his observer twice, he knew it was there. Picking off the tanks one by one with an Arbiter is safer then trying to rush in with the entire army + Arbiter if he knew Leta had 2 Vessels.
yeah i dont really get it, pure just pure failed that game
On March 31 2011 18:59 Turbovolver wrote: Would he even be able to target the goliath? It was under a building, though I guess the arbiter automatically targets it if it's getting shot by it?
attack the edge tanks, if you see the gol try to stasis it, shields give some leeway
On March 31 2011 18:59 Turbovolver wrote: Would he even be able to target the goliath? It was under a building, though I guess the arbiter automatically targets it if it's getting shot by it?
Yep, arbiters have an aggressive unit profile. If they get hit, they run and attack whatever is hitting it.
On March 31 2011 18:59 Turbovolver wrote: Would he even be able to target the goliath? It was under a building, though I guess the arbiter automatically targets it if it's getting shot by it?
It only has a priority on attacking units. So if there's only a goliath under an ebay, yes it would shoot the goliath. But if there are tanks around, and you don't focus fire on the goliath, arbiter may as well target a tank.
On March 31 2011 18:57 ii.blitzkrieg wrote: I'm still confused as to why Pure didn't shoot the gol with his arb and when the arb got low on shields just fly away and recharge. Then after the gol dies Leta would have no anti air?
i don't think an arbiter is fast enough to hit a goliath and run away like that without losing hp
especially if its prone to getting emp'ed before it gets the chance to fly to the gol.
On March 31 2011 18:58 Seraphic wrote: the only thing Pure had to deal with was 1 Goliath. If he had found a way to Stasis it, he would have won just by picking off the tanks one by one. Why in the world would he Stasis both Vessels for? What does that accomplish if he wasn't going to rush with his units?
The Goliath hit his observer twice, he knew it was there. Picking off the tanks one by one with an Arbiter is safer then trying to rush in with the entire army + Arbiter if he knew Leta had 2 Vessels.
There was 2 win conditions pure had, he could either disable the goliath then win with air vs no antiair, or he could disable both vessels and win with cloak vs no detection.
The first option has the risk of arbiter being emped before getting to the goliath, pure attempted many times and was emped most times. He was slow on the uptake while leta was in the field and when leta was turtled, this option was not feasable
Disabling 2 vessels, you can stasis before getting hit by an emp, so one vessel should be able to be taken out with no problem, as you saw, 2 can be stasise with proper micro, pure in a way succeed with this win condition, his problem was, he stuck around and let the unchecked goliath kill his only cloaking unit, hence the draw. One can imagine if he waited and got his arbiter out, then ran up the ramp with cloaked zealots.
maybe Pure knew something we didn't. He had a lot of chances to try and win it with his Arbiter alone. If he started to just picking off the tanks with it, he would have forced the Goliath out eventually. It is not like the Vessel is gonna shoot back.
I just don't get what was going through his head when he SHOULD have been attacking all along with the Arbiter. it's so frustrating.
On March 31 2011 18:58 Seraphic wrote: the only thing Pure had to deal with was 1 Goliath. If he had found a way to Stasis it, he would have won just by picking off the tanks one by one. Why in the world would he Stasis both Vessels for? What does that accomplish if he wasn't going to rush with his units?
The Goliath hit his observer twice, he knew it was there. Picking off the tanks one by one with an Arbiter is safer then trying to rush in with the entire army + Arbiter if he knew Leta had 2 Vessels.
There was 2 win conditions pure had, he could either disable the goliath then win with air vs no antiair, or he could disable both vessels and win with cloak vs no detection.
The first option has the risk of arbiter being emped before getting to the goliath, pure attempted many times and was emped most times. He was slow on the uptake while leta was in the field and when leta was turtled, this option was not feasable
Disabling 2 vessels, you can stasis before getting hit by an emp, so one vessel should be able to be taken out with no problem, as you saw, 2 can be stasise with proper micro, pure in a way succeed with this win condition, his problem was, he stuck around and let the unchecked goliath kill his only cloaking unit, hence the draw. One can imagine if he waited and got his arbiter out, then ran up the ramp with cloaked zealots.
Ummmm... Before he stasised the remaining SVs, He dodged 3(?) EMPs (leaves the SVs without energy). He can easily go for option A from that point but he did option C, which is try both A and B then fail.
On March 31 2011 19:05 Seraphic wrote: maybe Pure knew something we didn't. He had a lot of chances to try and win it with his Arbiter alone. If he started to just picking off the tanks with it, he would have forced the Goliath out eventually. It is not like the Vessel is gonna shoot back.
I just don't get what was going through his head when he SHOULD have been attacking all along with the Arbiter. it's so frustrating.
Leta had two sci vessels and he would have just used defensive matrixes : \ Statis-ing two sci vessels would have been easier to execute on his part i guess.... he just didn't expect to lose it
On March 31 2011 19:09 pvzvt wrote: no matter who wins this he will be so wasted to play sk
Yeah I'd imagine them both to be pretty exhausted after this game
I really do not buy this argument ever. How many hours a day do they practice? Why would you expect them to be exhausted after 50 minutes of playing, a decent portion of it at very low apm?
On March 31 2011 19:09 pvzvt wrote: no matter who wins this he will be so wasted to play sk
Yeah I'd imagine them both to be pretty exhausted after this game
I really do not buy this argument ever. How many hours a day do they practice? Why would you expect them to be exhausted after 50 minutes of playing, a decent portion of it at very low apm?
Playing in tournaments is very different from playing practice games, though.
On March 31 2011 19:09 pvzvt wrote: no matter who wins this he will be so wasted to play sk
Yeah I'd imagine them both to be pretty exhausted after this game
I really do not buy this argument ever. How many hours a day do they practice? Why would you expect them to be exhausted after 50 minutes of playing, a decent portion of it at very low apm?
While that is true, I suspect they'd most likely concentrate harder during real games. Maybe I should have said "I would be exhausted" instead
Anyone feel like these starting positions are imba for protoss? Terran can just expand and sneak his way straight to the protoss base without doing much effort, since the paths are so narrow and easy to defend.
On March 31 2011 20:02 mnesthes wrote: Actually Pure is sitting on a pretty nice economic advantage, would be mind boggling to see how he could possible botch this
lol sup?
edit: pure had lovely storms, but he didn't take out M18M's reaver, and I can only assume that was the main difference.
On March 31 2011 20:02 mnesthes wrote: Actually Pure is sitting on a pretty nice economic advantage, would be mind boggling to see how he could possible botch this
lol sup?
Somehow M18M knew how to make more units But now Pure has DTs to force M18M to back off, and he's had a 3rd for some time now so it's still 2base vs 2base
On March 31 2011 20:05 mnesthes wrote: Somehow M18M knew how to make more units
Not really.
I actually yelled "JUST MAN UP" when Pure had like 8 dragoons vs 4 dragoons + reaver, after he won that engagement at M18M's nat. Not sure if it would have been the right play but I was going for Pure and knew he might pull something like this... =x
Ugh Sunken+Lurker defense. Explosive damage kills goons so fast. Protoss should definitely start developping their own tanks In other news, Zerg units in M18M's nat and main. Should be gg anytime soon.
Guardians raping M18M:s third. Wah what a major comeback/shift in lead. Goons all-in into the sunken defense, unable to break with zerglings and lurker defending. GG. Soulkey advances!
Haha, just watched Leta vs Pure, the way Leta was grinning after killing the arbiter was priceless, you know he was trying to hold back from laughter too xD
edit - thinking about the ending, why, while emp dodging for 40 minutes, didn't he just chip away at the vessels using the arbiter's air attack, running away quickly if the goli comes out to attack it?
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