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On March 15 2011 13:37 hacklebeast wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 13:02 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 15 2011 12:51 TwoToneTerran wrote:On March 15 2011 12:38 DarkMatter_ wrote:
I really believe Bisu will beat Flash if they play a standard game (especially on a protoss favored map like Aztec or Bloody Ridge) but Flash has a tendency to outsmart the top players in important games by going for a strategy that completely negates the opponent's strengths and plays to their weaknesses.
For example, the way that Flash completely bypassed BeSt's strengths (his macro) by harassing the fuck out of him with superior multitasking and never letting BeSt's macro kick in. Or the way he countered JD's lategame-focused strategies by going for greedy openings followed by a strong timing attack (Hana Daetoo finals).
My guess is that Bisu will be sent early to take advantage of maps like Aztec and BR to take out KT's lesser players while Fantasy has something special prepared to deal with Flash. I just want to get this correct, you think Bisu's PvT is better than Flash's TvP in a standard game that goes to lategame? hes just someone who wants to see Flash lose imo. to be honest Bisu's vT isn't great at all,but right now I see stats being a bigger threat for bisu,since Flash probably won't play until after the 3rd set since he hates Aztec and BR. If bisu's PvT isn't great, who's is? Stork is the only guy better than bisu at it ATM. Sure, it's not historic like his PvZ, but right now no one dominates terran, and bisu is 9-2 in his last 11. Admittedly his competition wasn't the best, but then again, the only good terrans right now are flash and fantasy. Edit: "good terrans" in the sense that you are impressed when you open the LR thread and see that a protoss beat them.
I'd be more impressed with Bisu's PvT record if he hadn't just gotten beat up by Leta last night. He's got Sea's number for some reason but other than that he hasn't beaten a good TvP player since WCG Korea. WCG Korea 2009. (Unless you count Bogus, and I'd give you that 'cause I like the kid.)
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On March 15 2011 14:16 Musoeun wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 13:37 hacklebeast wrote:On March 15 2011 13:02 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 15 2011 12:51 TwoToneTerran wrote:On March 15 2011 12:38 DarkMatter_ wrote:
I really believe Bisu will beat Flash if they play a standard game (especially on a protoss favored map like Aztec or Bloody Ridge) but Flash has a tendency to outsmart the top players in important games by going for a strategy that completely negates the opponent's strengths and plays to their weaknesses.
For example, the way that Flash completely bypassed BeSt's strengths (his macro) by harassing the fuck out of him with superior multitasking and never letting BeSt's macro kick in. Or the way he countered JD's lategame-focused strategies by going for greedy openings followed by a strong timing attack (Hana Daetoo finals).
My guess is that Bisu will be sent early to take advantage of maps like Aztec and BR to take out KT's lesser players while Fantasy has something special prepared to deal with Flash. I just want to get this correct, you think Bisu's PvT is better than Flash's TvP in a standard game that goes to lategame? hes just someone who wants to see Flash lose imo. to be honest Bisu's vT isn't great at all,but right now I see stats being a bigger threat for bisu,since Flash probably won't play until after the 3rd set since he hates Aztec and BR. If bisu's PvT isn't great, who's is? Stork is the only guy better than bisu at it ATM. Sure, it's not historic like his PvZ, but right now no one dominates terran, and bisu is 9-2 in his last 11. Admittedly his competition wasn't the best, but then again, the only good terrans right now are flash and fantasy. Edit: "good terrans" in the sense that you are impressed when you open the LR thread and see that a protoss beat them. I'd be more impressed with Bisu's PvT record if he hadn't just gotten beat up by Leta last night. He's got Sea's number for some reason but other than that he hasn't beaten a good TvP player since WCG Korea. WCG Korea 2009. (Unless you count Bogus, and I'd give you that 'cause I like the kid.)
Like I said, the only good TvP player he can play is flash, and there is no shame in losing to flash. Unless you have a good TvPer in mind; I think Sea is third, who he beat.
And dropping a game to leta isn't as bad as dropping a game to tyson, but I doubt anyone is claiming Flash is faltering at TvP.
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Looking forward for the match, but I gotta say it's pretty obvious that Flash, Stats and Action are gonna dominate SKT so hard, that oov won't be able to sit on his ass without hurting for a loooong time.
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Oov will come out of retirement and dominate everybody if SKT losses hard 
Seriously, I think SKT doesn't stand a chance with they're current performance compared to how KT's performing without flash. Oh well, just gonna hope for that elusive upset, sigh.
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Perfective and the final boss will roll SKT.
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On March 15 2011 12:51 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 12:38 DarkMatter_ wrote:
I really believe Bisu will beat Flash if they play a standard game (especially on a protoss favored map like Aztec or Bloody Ridge) but Flash has a tendency to outsmart the top players in important games by going for a strategy that completely negates the opponent's strengths and plays to their weaknesses.
For example, the way that Flash completely bypassed BeSt's strengths (his macro) by harassing the fuck out of him with superior multitasking and never letting BeSt's macro kick in. Or the way he countered JD's lategame-focused strategies by going for greedy openings followed by a strong timing attack (Hana Daetoo finals).
My guess is that Bisu will be sent early to take advantage of maps like Aztec and BR to take out KT's lesser players while Fantasy has something special prepared to deal with Flash. I just want to get this correct, you think Bisu's PvT is better than Flash's TvP in a standard game that goes to lategame?
No, I said I think Bisu will win, not that his PvT is better than Flash's TvP. People have been consistently undermining Bisu's PvT this season despite the fact that he's only lost 3 games (to Flash, Hiya, Leta). Meanwhile, Flash has lost to BeSt, Kal, Stork and Tyson. Flash has lost his only vP on Aztec and is 1/3 on BR.
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You're absolutely insane if you think Flash is being played before the fourth set on those dreadful TvP maps. If Bisu meets Flash at all it will because he killed his way to the fourth or fifth set, in which case it's on a balanced or T favored map.
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Even if SKT went 3-0 and only had to beat Flash I would feel pretty comfortable with KT's chances...
However, with all of KT ready and playing well I think KT should win easily.
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The only chance I think SKT has is having someone 3-0 and then try and tire Flash out, but after seeing Flash these last couple of days, I don't think SKT can beat him.
If it was all SKT against Flash I would still think it to be pretty damn even lol
Being an Oz fan, I don't really care, worrying more about the 4th, 5th , and 6th ranked teams right now :p
Action AK ftw!
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Kt have shown that without their best player like violet who is now under leukemia treatment that they are not a team to mess with although they are not fully up to their best because of the lacking of violet and retirement of forgg came too soon (T_T) . Kt should be able to handle the SKT1 titans with stats , flash, action, perfective and barrack here's too Kt toppling the number 1 team in proleague . Looking forward to these epic showdown from these two monstrous team on the 16th HYPE HYPE .KT FIGHTING !!!!!!!!!
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Bisu out early to slaughter his way to the Final Boss. Should he falter at that hurdle (would love to see him defeat Flash though), SKT reveals its Super Final Mega Bossu - 2-hatch Hyuk.
Hype, hype, hype!
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this should be awesome but i think kt should be able to take this.
KT HWAITING!
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kt should be able to take this but what would make my day would be flash being sent out first and being sniped while the rest of kt mops up skt with a bisu vs action ace match
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On March 15 2011 14:50 DarkMatter_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 12:51 TwoToneTerran wrote:On March 15 2011 12:38 DarkMatter_ wrote:
I really believe Bisu will beat Flash if they play a standard game (especially on a protoss favored map like Aztec or Bloody Ridge) but Flash has a tendency to outsmart the top players in important games by going for a strategy that completely negates the opponent's strengths and plays to their weaknesses.
For example, the way that Flash completely bypassed BeSt's strengths (his macro) by harassing the fuck out of him with superior multitasking and never letting BeSt's macro kick in. Or the way he countered JD's lategame-focused strategies by going for greedy openings followed by a strong timing attack (Hana Daetoo finals).
My guess is that Bisu will be sent early to take advantage of maps like Aztec and BR to take out KT's lesser players while Fantasy has something special prepared to deal with Flash. I just want to get this correct, you think Bisu's PvT is better than Flash's TvP in a standard game that goes to lategame? No, I said I think Bisu will win, not that his PvT is better than Flash's TvP. People have been consistently undermining Bisu's PvT this season despite the fact that he's only lost 3 games (to Flash, Hiya, Leta). Meanwhile, Flash has lost to BeSt, Kal, Stork and Tyson. Flash has lost his only vP on Aztec and is 1/3 on BR.
Dude, Flash won't get sent out on Aztec or BR. Both of those maps have sub-40% TvP.
In a hypothetical scenario where Flash plays Bisu on Aztec or BR Bisu might win, but in a straight-up game on any of the other FIVE maps Bisu would lose. GIven that the chance of Flash vs Bisu on those two maps is 0%, then by rules of conditional probability, Bisu has a 0% chance of beating Flash...
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KT is best SKT
or
SKT is best KT
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HYUK ALL KILL DAMN IT!
Do it for e-sports, Hyuk
Do it for BW
Do it for your team
Do it for yourself
GOD DAMN IT! LET HIM PLAY COACH QQ
Hyuk Hwaiting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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On March 15 2011 17:44 aimaimaim wrote:
KT is best SKT
or
SKT is best KT
..
HYUK ALL KILL DAMN IT!
Do it for e-sports, Hyuk
Do it for BW
Do it for your team
Do it for yourself
GOD DAMN IT! LET HIM PLAY COACH QQ
Hyuk Hwaiting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dream on...
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On March 15 2011 16:40 l0st_romantic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 14:50 DarkMatter_ wrote:On March 15 2011 12:51 TwoToneTerran wrote:On March 15 2011 12:38 DarkMatter_ wrote:
I really believe Bisu will beat Flash if they play a standard game (especially on a protoss favored map like Aztec or Bloody Ridge) but Flash has a tendency to outsmart the top players in important games by going for a strategy that completely negates the opponent's strengths and plays to their weaknesses.
For example, the way that Flash completely bypassed BeSt's strengths (his macro) by harassing the fuck out of him with superior multitasking and never letting BeSt's macro kick in. Or the way he countered JD's lategame-focused strategies by going for greedy openings followed by a strong timing attack (Hana Daetoo finals).
My guess is that Bisu will be sent early to take advantage of maps like Aztec and BR to take out KT's lesser players while Fantasy has something special prepared to deal with Flash. I just want to get this correct, you think Bisu's PvT is better than Flash's TvP in a standard game that goes to lategame? No, I said I think Bisu will win, not that his PvT is better than Flash's TvP. People have been consistently undermining Bisu's PvT this season despite the fact that he's only lost 3 games (to Flash, Hiya, Leta). Meanwhile, Flash has lost to BeSt, Kal, Stork and Tyson. Flash has lost his only vP on Aztec and is 1/3 on BR. Dude, Flash won't get sent out on Aztec or BR. Both of those maps have sub-40% TvP. In a hypothetical scenario where Flash plays Bisu on Aztec or BR Bisu might win, but in a straight-up game on any of the other FIVE maps Bisu would lose. GIven that the chance of Flash vs Bisu on those two maps is 0%, then by rules of conditional probability, Bisu has a 0% chance of beating Flash...
I like your logic...
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On March 15 2011 17:50 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 17:44 aimaimaim wrote:
KT is best SKT
or
SKT is best KT
..
HYUK ALL KILL DAMN IT!
Do it for e-sports, Hyuk
Do it for BW
Do it for your team
Do it for yourself
GOD DAMN IT! LET HIM PLAY COACH QQ
Hyuk Hwaiting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dream on...
We'll see about that ..
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On March 15 2011 17:52 aimaimaim wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 17:50 Sawamura wrote:On March 15 2011 17:44 aimaimaim wrote:
KT is best SKT
or
SKT is best KT
..
HYUK ALL KILL DAMN IT!
Do it for e-sports, Hyuk
Do it for BW
Do it for your team
Do it for yourself
GOD DAMN IT! LET HIM PLAY COACH QQ
Hyuk Hwaiting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dream on... We'll see about that ..
if Park Jae Hyuk all-kills against KT I will eat the spiky part of the pinapple and this time I mean it.
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On March 15 2011 17:56 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 17:52 aimaimaim wrote:On March 15 2011 17:50 Sawamura wrote:On March 15 2011 17:44 aimaimaim wrote:
KT is best SKT
or
SKT is best KT
..
HYUK ALL KILL DAMN IT!
Do it for e-sports, Hyuk
Do it for BW
Do it for your team
Do it for yourself
GOD DAMN IT! LET HIM PLAY COACH QQ
Hyuk Hwaiting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dream on... We'll see about that .. if Park Jae Hyuk all-kills against KT I will eat the spiky part of the pinapple and this time I mean it.
wait so there were times you said things that you didn't mean it ? then what makes you think that we'll believe you do this time?
hehe j/k
anyway i'm hoping for an epic TvT between Flash and Fantasy 
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