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L!MP
Profile Joined March 2003
Australia2067 Posts
November 12 2004 07:16 GMT
#61
[image loading]


when yellow loses to boxer by a rush, his expression is just priceless.
WhizKid77
Profile Joined November 2003
China682 Posts
November 12 2004 07:25 GMT
#62
I don't understand why Yellow didn't go 6pool or 7or 8..? It's yellow's falut.
He lost by SAME strat 3 in a row and didn't do anything.


maybe now yellow will have to steal themarine's nickname.

i haven't seen the vods, but i think even before they played, boxer knew his chances of winning were near 100%, based on yellow's style of play. given that yellow fast expos, boxer knew that, without micro mistakes, he would win for sure, as in 100%. assuming that he trained as much as he did, and that his zerg partners are as competent as yellow, he found it _completely_impossible_ for zerg to stop his build if boxer himself did not make mistakes. thus, all boxer had to rely on was his own concentration. the opponent is irrelevant. i'm not sure how the spawned map positions come into play and if boxer considered these while training, but i assume he did.

thus the two key assumptions are: yellow fast expos and boxer micros well. the probability of these two can (arguably) be set at higher than 50% each. furthermore, with these two assumptions in place and actually happening, boxer wins 100%. this is a strong statement - it is saying that if these two assumptions are true during a game, yellow will lose, even if they played an infinite number of games (sorry if "boxer micros well" is not well-defined). the universe is not random (at a macro level), everything happens for a reason. every loss comes with a set of reasons, and yellow had near-zero chance based on his mindset.
hay guys u thare???
froZen_wYnd
Profile Joined October 2004
Canada270 Posts
November 12 2004 08:12 GMT
#63
good report =) gogo boxer! lol
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
November 12 2004 08:37 GMT
#64
On November 12 2004 16:25 WhizKid77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
I don't understand why Yellow didn't go 6pool or 7or 8..? It's yellow's falut.
He lost by SAME strat 3 in a row and didn't do anything.


maybe now yellow will have to steal themarine's nickname.

i haven't seen the vods, but i think even before they played, boxer knew his chances of winning were near 100%, based on yellow's style of play. given that yellow fast expos, boxer knew that, without micro mistakes, he would win for sure, as in 100%. assuming that he trained as much as he did, and that his zerg partners are as competent as yellow, he found it _completely_impossible_ for zerg to stop his build if boxer himself did not make mistakes. thus, all boxer had to rely on was his own concentration. the opponent is irrelevant. i'm not sure how the spawned map positions come into play and if boxer considered these while training, but i assume he did.

thus the two key assumptions are: yellow fast expos and boxer micros well. the probability of these two can (arguably) be set at higher than 50% each. furthermore, with these two assumptions in place and actually happening, boxer wins 100%. this is a strong statement - it is saying that if these two assumptions are true during a game, yellow will lose, even if they played an infinite number of games (sorry if "boxer micros well" is not well-defined). the universe is not random (at a macro level), everything happens for a reason. every loss comes with a set of reasons, and yellow had near-zero chance based on his mindset.


12-Hatch is a very safe build. There is no reason why Yellow couldn't have fought off the rush while still expanding. He just got outplayed, simple as that.

Opponent is never irrelavent. Yellow could've one if he...

9 pooled? NO
4 pooled? NO

Played better? YES
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bill
Profile Joined May 2003
83 Posts
November 12 2004 08:45 GMT
#65
On November 12 2004 17:37 ManaBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2004 16:25 WhizKid77 wrote:
I don't understand why Yellow didn't go 6pool or 7or 8..? It's yellow's falut.
He lost by SAME strat 3 in a row and didn't do anything.


maybe now yellow will have to steal themarine's nickname.

i haven't seen the vods, but i think even before they played, boxer knew his chances of winning were near 100%, based on yellow's style of play. given that yellow fast expos, boxer knew that, without micro mistakes, he would win for sure, as in 100%. assuming that he trained as much as he did, and that his zerg partners are as competent as yellow, he found it _completely_impossible_ for zerg to stop his build if boxer himself did not make mistakes. thus, all boxer had to rely on was his own concentration. the opponent is irrelevant. i'm not sure how the spawned map positions come into play and if boxer considered these while training, but i assume he did.

thus the two key assumptions are: yellow fast expos and boxer micros well. the probability of these two can (arguably) be set at higher than 50% each. furthermore, with these two assumptions in place and actually happening, boxer wins 100%. this is a strong statement - it is saying that if these two assumptions are true during a game, yellow will lose, even if they played an infinite number of games (sorry if "boxer micros well" is not well-defined). the universe is not random (at a macro level), everything happens for a reason. every loss comes with a set of reasons, and yellow had near-zero chance based on his mindset.


12-Hatch is a very safe build. There is no reason why Yellow couldn't have fought off the rush while still expanding. He just got outplayed, simple as that.

Opponent is never irrelavent. Yellow could've one if he...

9 pooled? NO
4 pooled? NO

Played better? YES

Since Yellow was "outplayed" three times in a roll, I see no reason "12-hatch is a very safe build", unless you are much better than yellow, which I seriously doubt.
Painbringer
Profile Joined March 2003
Norway446 Posts
November 12 2004 08:54 GMT
#66
or boxer much better than yellow
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
November 12 2004 08:58 GMT
#67
On November 12 2004 17:54 Painbringer wrote:
or boxer much better than yellow


Exactly...
ModeratorTL VOD legends: Live2Win, hasuprotoss, Cadical, rinizim, Mani, thedeadhaji, Kennigit, SonuvBob, yakii, fw, pheer, CDRdude, pholon, Uraeus, zatic, baezzi. The contributors make this site what it is. *Props to FakeSteve for respecting the guitar gods*
ky[Z]
Profile Joined January 2003
China1730 Posts
November 12 2004 09:00 GMT
#68
i have an idea for boxer vs yellow next time...

how about......a..


No Rush 15 mins?
Terran is SOoOo over-powered~!! Especially in TvT~!
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
November 12 2004 09:06 GMT
#69
On November 12 2004 18:00 ky[Z] wrote:
i have an idea for boxer vs yellow next time...

how about......a..


No Rush 15 mins?


Just make them play on Fastest.

All problems would be resolved.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
lp
Profile Joined October 2004
China34 Posts
November 12 2004 09:36 GMT
#70
Hm..Looks like boxer wanna be a new bunker rush king
bill
Profile Joined May 2003
83 Posts
November 12 2004 10:32 GMT
#71
On November 12 2004 17:58 ManaBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2004 17:54 Painbringer wrote:
or boxer much better than yellow


Exactly...

Since boxer doesn't play zerg, nobody knows. But yellow is the best zerg player on this planet. If it is not safe for him, then safe for nobody.Period.
miniStar
Profile Joined June 2004
Finland143 Posts
November 12 2004 11:40 GMT
#72
Has Yellow been interviewed after the match? i really wont to know what he said about the semi !! this is just pure capitalisam - nobody cares about the loser, or his/her efforts.
StarCraft est magistra vitae
SiS
Profile Joined June 2004
United States753 Posts
November 12 2004 12:04 GMT
#73
Yeah I am more interested in what Yellow has to say about this :O
If you suddenly become to have twelve sisters, what do you think?
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
November 12 2004 12:37 GMT
#74
I doubt they would interview Yellow. The loser is usually cranky, and they probably don't want to offend him in any way.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
NeverTheEndlessWiz
Profile Joined November 2003
Singapore827 Posts
November 12 2004 12:49 GMT
#75
so long zerg wants to expand and terran wants to rush, the zerg has a lower chance of survival unless terran screws up timing/micro

boxer can't screw up (god of micro pls) so therefore the odds are truly against yellow

end of story =P
Retired Brood War player / WCG SG Top 8 for 2002, 2003, 2004, retired, then made minor comeback to Top 8 at 2008. 2009 = bleh xD
Elvin_vn
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
Vietnam2038 Posts
November 12 2004 16:09 GMT
#76
On November 12 2004 16:16 L!MP wrote:
[image loading]


when yellow loses to boxer by a rush, his expression is just priceless.


what i see is endless hour of practising
what i see is he's analyzing the match
in the end, what i see is disapointment about zerg's units
do not agrue with idiots, they will pull you down to their level and beat you with their experiences
uhjoo
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)1740 Posts
November 12 2004 16:25 GMT
#77
On November 12 2004 18:36 lp wrote:
Hm..Looks like boxer wanna be a new bunker rush king


boxer has said on a number of occasions that one of his best strategies is bunkering in zvt o_O
i want bubbles the warrior monkey back
MaTRiX[SiN]
Profile Joined September 2003
Sweden1282 Posts
November 12 2004 16:28 GMT
#78
he's trying to steal silent_controls spot! dirty thief!
aka StormtoSS
AMDme
Profile Joined November 2004
84 Posts
November 12 2004 16:41 GMT
#79
boxer bunker rush!!!! soo exciting game.!!!!boxer forever!!!
BoxeR 4ever
Eye-Lose
Profile Joined November 2004
United States71 Posts
November 12 2004 18:00 GMT
#80
Yellow saying terran units are stronger and that 'wtf' picture reminds me of tillermans rant/audio commentary about human fast expo needing to be nerfed vs undead. "what can a doo , What-can-uh-doo??!!!"
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