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hellbound
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2242 Posts
March 03 2011 10:31 GMT
#681
On March 03 2011 19:25 Kiante wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2011 19:22 hellbound wrote:
On March 03 2011 19:14 Kiante wrote:
On March 03 2011 19:11 hellbound wrote:
Tanks don't shoot into air regardless of upgrades and it takes a split second for 30+ mutas to take out a bunch of them. 90% Of bogus' resources was mines and tanks and the rest were turrets and gols who do half damage to mutas, so yeah it would definitely have been a massacre, not of mutas though. Oh well Hoejja won, maybe he was consciously taking the piss there, with suck a huge macro advantage he could afford to.

do you have any replays/vods of a muta tech switch beating a late game (whole map taken and moderately split) mech army?


You need a vod as proof that tanks don't have AA? Yes I do. "mech army" is quite an ambiguous term. Answer me this : if you see 20tanks 20 mines in front 8 turrets 6 gollies and 2 vessels would attack this head on with ground or choose to overrun the puny AA with pure muta and continue to rape the tanks? The map was not split either.

You're missing out that bogus had vessels, he had alot of turrets. And he had alot of facs that could pump out golis. it takes a little bit of time to just make 30 mutalisks appear. You must watch BW and see a protoss 12 nex and go "why doesn't the terran just marine rush". So, do you have any proof? or are you just theorycrafting.


Because all zerg units are made by the same building therefore it's tech switches are a lot more sudden and powerful? It takes no time for 30 mutas to appear from 10 hatcheries. As for the gollies that is just fine because the same applies just switching back to ground just like that and having lost the bulk of the tank army roll over. I guess I'll go digging for the replay I am thinking about....
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6180 Posts
March 03 2011 10:33 GMT
#682
wow 13 protosses
Spica
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5582 Posts
March 03 2011 10:35 GMT
#683
On March 03 2011 19:24 nayumi wrote:
wow T1 are doing surprisingly good this MSL qualifier

i mean apart from (T)yeOngJae, all the others made it right?

Kwanro also didn't make it.
How to pronounce the name: "SPY-ka" | Proud to share the same birthday with Shin (神) Dong Won and the almighty BoxeR | 리쌍도 나무에서 떨어진다. | To YellOw: "2位じゃダメなんですか?" ㅋㅋㅋ | Rest in peace, Violet. 08/23/12
Hellwitch
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada272 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-03 10:43:31
March 03 2011 10:41 GMT
#684
Wow, did (T)BaBy really lose 0-2 to Dear!? Now that was pretty unexpected.
“I think the MVP title for today goes to Airman Firebathero because he is the one who grabbed the enemy commander and threw himself into the river.” - PianO
Garrl
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Scotland1974 Posts
March 03 2011 10:41 GMT
#685
On March 03 2011 19:31 hellbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2011 19:25 Kiante wrote:
On March 03 2011 19:22 hellbound wrote:
On March 03 2011 19:14 Kiante wrote:
On March 03 2011 19:11 hellbound wrote:
Tanks don't shoot into air regardless of upgrades and it takes a split second for 30+ mutas to take out a bunch of them. 90% Of bogus' resources was mines and tanks and the rest were turrets and gols who do half damage to mutas, so yeah it would definitely have been a massacre, not of mutas though. Oh well Hoejja won, maybe he was consciously taking the piss there, with suck a huge macro advantage he could afford to.

do you have any replays/vods of a muta tech switch beating a late game (whole map taken and moderately split) mech army?


You need a vod as proof that tanks don't have AA? Yes I do. "mech army" is quite an ambiguous term. Answer me this : if you see 20tanks 20 mines in front 8 turrets 6 gollies and 2 vessels would attack this head on with ground or choose to overrun the puny AA with pure muta and continue to rape the tanks? The map was not split either.

You're missing out that bogus had vessels, he had alot of turrets. And he had alot of facs that could pump out golis. it takes a little bit of time to just make 30 mutalisks appear. You must watch BW and see a protoss 12 nex and go "why doesn't the terran just marine rush". So, do you have any proof? or are you just theorycrafting.


Because all zerg units are made by the same building therefore it's tech switches are a lot more sudden and powerful? It takes no time for 30 mutas to appear from 10 hatcheries. As for the gollies that is just fine because the same applies just switching back to ground just like that and having lost the bulk of the tank army roll over. I guess I'll go digging for the replay I am thinking about....


What, 0,0 upg mutas with the 3k gas you've got saved up?
hellbound
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2242 Posts
March 03 2011 10:45 GMT
#686
There was a lot more than 3k in the ultra carcases in the minefields...
Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
March 03 2011 10:47 GMT
#687
FBH FIGHTING!!!!!

FINALLY. It was time that his good play gets rewarded. His 12 game losing streak is the biggest fluke ever, he should be 7-5 or something. He just plays so well and then loses randomly. This had to stop.

But what happened to Bogus? How is that possible? Losing to Hoejja? How disappointing.
mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-03 10:53:38
March 03 2011 10:51 GMT
#688
On March 03 2011 19:12 Spica wrote:
Wooo, it seems that the MSL wants to Protoss it up this time~ :DDD
Just so more of them can be sent back to Aiur during the MST.
On March 03 2011 19:47 Fenrax wrote:
FBH FIGHTING!!!!!

FINALLY. It was time that his good play gets rewarded. His 12 game losing streak is the biggest fluke ever, he should be 7-5 or something. He just plays so well and then loses randomly. This had to stop.

But what happened to Bogus? How is that possible? Losing to Hoejja? How disappointing.
Losing to KANG MIN is never disappointing, it's an honor in itself.
<+LighTofHeaveN> Ppl call this "Indigo Children"
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
March 03 2011 10:54 GMT
#689
Say Go Kang Min!

=( I miss Ra so much.
HawaiianPig
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada5155 Posts
March 03 2011 10:59 GMT
#690
On March 03 2011 19:30 ninini wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
A lot of Protoss's made it to the next round:

Protoss (13)
(P)By.Sun
(P)Trap
(P)Paralyze
(P)Horang2
(P)Food5
(P)Grape
(P)JangBi
(P)M18M
(P)Shuttle
(P)Pure
(P)BeSt
(P)Tyson
(P)Dear

Terran (7)
(T)Canata
(T)Reality
(T)firebathero
(T)RuBy
(T)Mind
(T)Sharp
(T)HiyA

Zerg (6)
(Z)ggaemo
(Z)n.Die_soO
(Z)hero
(Z)HoeJJa
(Z)HyuN
(Z)Hyuk


Some of the notable eliminated players are:
(P)Brave, (P)Movie, (P)Pusan, (T)TurN, (T)Bogus, (T)BaBy, (Z)Modesty and (Z)Kwanro


I'm offended that (P)Reach didn't make your notable player list!
AdministratorNot actually Hawaiian.
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
March 03 2011 11:06 GMT
#691
On March 03 2011 19:59 HawaiianPig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2011 19:30 ninini wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
A lot of Protoss's made it to the next round:

Protoss (13)
(P)By.Sun
(P)Trap
(P)Paralyze
(P)Horang2
(P)Food5
(P)Grape
(P)JangBi
(P)M18M
(P)Shuttle
(P)Pure
(P)BeSt
(P)Tyson
(P)Dear

Terran (7)
(T)Canata
(T)Reality
(T)firebathero
(T)RuBy
(T)Mind
(T)Sharp
(T)HiyA

Zerg (6)
(Z)ggaemo
(Z)n.Die_soO
(Z)hero
(Z)HoeJJa
(Z)HyuN
(Z)Hyuk


Some of the notable eliminated players are:
(P)Brave, (P)Movie, (P)Pusan, (T)TurN, (T)Bogus, (T)BaBy, (Z)Modesty and (Z)Kwanro


I'm offended that (P)Reach didn't make your notable player list!

And Yellow please !
So sad
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
Spica
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5582 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-03 11:08:31
March 03 2011 11:08 GMT
#692
On March 03 2011 19:51 mnesthes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2011 19:12 Spica wrote:
Wooo, it seems that the MSL wants to Protoss it up this time~ :DDD
Just so more of them can be sent back to Aiur during the MST.

It's okay man, I'll enjoy watching Hydra kick ass again after preliminaries are done.
How to pronounce the name: "SPY-ka" | Proud to share the same birthday with Shin (神) Dong Won and the almighty BoxeR | 리쌍도 나무에서 떨어진다. | To YellOw: "2位じゃダメなんですか?" ㅋㅋㅋ | Rest in peace, Violet. 08/23/12
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
March 03 2011 11:23 GMT
#693
Let's hope for more terran killer maps!
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
ninini
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden1204 Posts
March 03 2011 11:47 GMT
#694
On March 03 2011 19:59 HawaiianPig wrote:

I'm offended that (P)Reach didn't make your notable player list!

But Reach and Yellow weren't expected to win their groups, and neither of them have seen much action this season. Sure, Kwanro and Pusan haven't played much either, but it wasn't long ago they were both staple players.
pinkranger15
Profile Joined June 2010
Philippines1597 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-03 11:56:35
March 03 2011 11:55 GMT
#695
wow. a lot of SKT and KHAN players qualified. GO BEST!

wait a minute. i thought canata joined ACE?
yoyo!
sushiman
Profile Joined September 2003
Sweden2691 Posts
March 03 2011 13:40 GMT
#696
Woo, 5 ACE players advancing.

And finally BeSt, shape up this time around man!
1000 at least.
yoonyoon
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1065 Posts
March 03 2011 13:42 GMT
#697
Whoa o_O what happened to my thread?


Did anyone else laugh after seeing Baby being knocked out by a Oztoss?
xarthaz
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1704 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-03 14:07:06
March 03 2011 14:04 GMT
#698
On March 03 2011 19:11 hellbound wrote:
Tanks don't shoot into air regardless of upgrades and it takes a split second for 30+ mutas to take out a bunch of them. 90% Of bogus' resources was mines and tanks and the rest were turrets and gols who do half damage to mutas, so yeah it would definitely have been a massacre, not of mutas though. Oh well Hoejja won, maybe he was consciously taking the piss there, with suck a huge macro advantage he could afford to.
Terrans gonna know somethings up if you dont build any units for 40 seconds and save up 3000+ gas. Not to mention goli upgs scale incredibly well(+4 upg on missiles) despite damage type mismatch. And 0/0 mutas do 5 damage to a 3 armor terran tank/goli, which means even a few golis can hold their own against a muta fleet until a fac wave of additional gols comes Meaning 0/0 mutas kill tanks 5 times slower than say, 3 att upg goons. Mutas are already very fragile, low dmg units, and with upg disadvantage they are really pretty bad
Aah thats the stuff..
Ikonn
Profile Joined October 2009
Netherlands1958 Posts
March 03 2011 14:18 GMT
#699
On February 26 2011 23:25 Ikonn wrote:
TurN and Baby should both be able to survive this


Wow look at how wrong I was
hubson
Profile Joined April 2009
Sweden93 Posts
March 03 2011 14:21 GMT
#700
Fuck yeah SKT1!!
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